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I think the auto-pickup interface and other interface tweaks are the best thing to see implemented in 0.10.

Also are there plans to just call it version 10 or something and drop the 0.? I've heard people say "it's not supposed to represent a development toward 1.0" but I think it makes a lot of people assume that's what's going on.

I'd like to vote for the demigods thing:

https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3046

I think after 0.10 is released after 0.9, it will become apparent to everybody that the period was never supposed to be a decimal point. And I like the "0."; it represents that Crawl is never really finished, but is continually expanded and improved. Onwards to zero point infinity!

Given the mythology, version 1.0 should be the next step after 0.27.

That's funny, I was thinking the exact same thing ...

Crawl is asymptotic to a line Crawl 1.0.

You know what would be handy? An option that lets your alies displace you for a frew turns.

What's wrong with just walking into them so you swap places? Or do I misunderstand ...

Forest branch in place of Hive (it could be a new, and more varied, "food branch" than Hive)

I really want permanent buffs or at least permanent forms. Casting forms over and over is really annoying.

I agree, and I think it could be implemented as an automatic recast switch or something like that.

Implementables/.10 plan:

1. In-game selection of auto-pickup items. Can't wait.
2. Interface implementables: yes please! Especially these bits:
- Each equipment slot gets dedicated character
- More verbose travel stop messages
- Easy picking up of items when autoexplore stops
- Change level annotations from Dungeon Overview (Ctrl-O)
3. Casting a buff spell with Z makes it "permanent" (.10 plan) - could cut the repetition without making game easier, I'd like that. Some interesting choices to be made, too.
4. Demigod worshippers - will make Demigods fun and worth trying for me.
5. Vintermann's food reform. Honestly I only really care about the less sickness bit, however the description/mutation changes are very detailed and it's in the works already, so why the hell not
6. Spice orb run up - more flavour for the final run sounds good. Pan lords coming back to haunt you for stolen runes get my evil grin of approval :]

The implementables aren't equal - some of them are just too small to get on the list. Rule of thumb, if it's small, uncontroversial and dev approved, then it probably doesn't need a player vote either. Especially if it has a patch already.

Stuff I'd like to see implemented

1.Wand Shops should sell Recharge Scrolls. "I find it odd that wand shops do not sell scrolls of recharging considering they're wand shops and that scroll is wand/rod-specific. I suggest adding scrolls of recharge as a potential item for purchase from a wand shop, but add a price premium to the scroll over however much it would cost in a regular scroll shop. — XuaXua 2011-08-19 20:48"
2.Controlled Flight amulet improvement to one of the following:
"Make the amulet for more for “Flight” as in “flying”:
- invoke for flight (removing dependency on ring) and allow it to reinvoke while still flying (after all, you're under full control)
- triple (or infinitely) extend the duration of the lev/flight effect over whatever the player would get without it
- give flight just from being worn, increase rarity to preservation levels and leave it as an improved property of artefacts"
3.Random themed shops. After some rework - would have to be either very rare and/or definitely less powerful. In general, would be nice to find shops like that once in a blue moon.

Oof there are too many brainstorming ideas to read through in one go. In general, I'd vote for:
1. Fighting balance (plan for future versions) - something I'm definitely looking forward to. I believe it would make melee characters (and their stats) more fun. As is, they sometimes feel lacking just because they don't spend their stats in int. For example assassins vs stalkers, gladiators vs skalds, hunters vs warpers(/arcane marksmen), monks vs necromancers etc.
2. Endgame changes. Past zot, some gods/weapon brands/spells become weak or stop working. There are less choices. Anything to change that would be great.

The custom shops are not supposed to replace normal ones, so yes, they'd be very rare. Over the course of a full game, you'd see at most one or two of these.

The good news is that the structure for constructing such shops already exists (minus the predefined name, but that's the least important aspect), so if you're interested, go ahead and build some. I've just added an example and an explanation to the page you linked above.

Oh, I like this idea, too!

Everyone can make custom shops, no coding required. For thematic ideas, see https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:item:custom_shop and the how-to is here: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:help:maps:syntax:shop_info

I am awaiting new vaults uploaded at https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php

A great list! My votes go to Hexes reform, Food reform, and Demigods, roughly in that order! Thanks again to all the devs!

Good news for you then, the food reform is in trunk. I'm not sure if it arrived on the servers yet, but shouldn't take long.

Sweet !!

I vote for permabuffs!

Another vote for permabuffs (with the flickering as commented on by galehar) and weapon-specific passive abilities.

My vote goes to:
1. Changes to Hexes
2. Permabuffs
3. rPois changes

1: Hexes is the only school that gets weaker as the game goes on instead of stronger. Ensorcelled Hibernation, Confuse, etc. eventually peter out almost completely with every enemy having high MR; Invisibility doesn't fare much better as sInv monsters become more and more frequent. The problem I see with them is that, when they succeed, they're essentially instant victories in a fight; stabbing does hefty damage. Resistant monsters, though, are always huge threats. Every monster gets separated into "popcorn" and "very deadly" to a primary Hex user (and yes, I know primary Hex users aren't viable. That's another reason to reform them).
2: Not only is it annoying to have to constantly recast buffs, it becomes dangerous when you've forgotten to recast them and you get into a tight spot.
3: Having one level of a resistance almost completely nullify the special effect of a large subset of monsters has always felt wrong to me. The proposals on the DevWiki page seem like a nice solution.

1) In-game auto-pick up options
2) Permabuffs. Especially like it about the forms. I can finally play a shapeshifter the way I want it.
3) Forest branch

I vote for demigods.

And mounts.

I vote for permabuffs, with no preferences beyond that.

A lot of these changes look cool, but permabuffs are by far the coolest. I don't normally play trunk, but I will switch over the day this gets implemented. Recasting buffs is incredibly tedious.

Vote for:

1) poison/alchemy
2) Demigod Worshippers
3) Replacement of Hive
4) Permabuffs.

I'll throw in some votes for:

1.) Demigod overhaul
2.) Permabuffs
3.) Hexes reform

How would permabuffs work?

Like this. Most likely in the way described under "Alternate implementation".

Please note that some of the links to the wiki in this thread (like V-man's food reform) might not work due to the complete revision / reorg. of the dev wiki.

Also note that NOTHING has been deleted (unless identically redundant or combined with another page), just moved.

Any news on whether permabuffs are still being implemented? (It's the one change I'm most looking forward to...)

I still hope to find the time to implement it someday (maybe 0.12?). Or maybe I'll polish the design and open an implementable. Anyone up for coding it?

What's the status of the suggestion to merge Centaur and Naga barding into just barding?

https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php? ... ur:barding

Pretty much dead. As far as I know, nobody who is inclined to make patches cares enough to bother, and even if somebody did show up out of nowhere there are enough people vaguely opposed to the idea on grounds of 'realism' that the patch still probably won't go through anyway.

I saw this on the wiki ( https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php? ... g:planning ) and thought this thread could come back now for .12:



I think I saw that nerf summons is already in trunk.

My votes would go 1) fighting reform 2) vaults layout/monster list overhaul 3) permabuffs.

I'd give honorable mention for some of the old feature ideas I liked, not sure if these have been ruled out or not at this point though: 1) forest branch 2) golem race 3) plant monsters

Lots of work has already been done on Vaults layout changes, so it's a good bet that'll be added soon.

what do you guys think about "wand of inner flame"? Could be useful for a crowds of enemies (you could use it on one of them, kill him from afar so he blows up, harming creatures standing near).

Wand of fireball has pretty much the same effect except you don't have to wait for the target to die.

Removing secret doors... I suppose is for those which are spawned but in designed vaults they can be still a resource.
I hope so.

What are runed doors ?

Runed doors are a way to replace some of the other functions that secret doors were used for - monsters won't open them and the player won't autoexplore through them.

Whats the status on the Demigod reform? I wanted to add a few suggestions to that as well...

It's dead in the water as far as I know. There has been some work, but it's nowhere near finished and nobody is currently working on it. Feel free to make suggestions (not in this thread please).

Whats the status on the Orc follower changes?
There was a thread implying not only to cut the # of followers down to a feasible number but also to give other races of Giant-kin (Ogres, Trolls etc.) the ability to worship Beogh & gain followers of that god.
I´m really hoping for this to go live.

There was a plan to cut down the maximum number of followers to 12 but I don't think any of the devs seriously suggested letting non-Orcs worship Beogh.

edit: wait that post was a month ago, argh

Is there any news on permabuffs yet? I really think it's the most important 'big' change to crawl in a long time.

Hm. I know this thread is all stickied and such, but I don't know that it's actually useful anymore. It's a bit outdated and doesn't get significant posts.

Orange Ones: what are your thoughts?

It used to be on my todo, but I don't have much time to contribute to crawl these days. I should probably create an implementable to make it clear that I'd rather delegate this.


Yes, the thread doesn't seem to have much more purpose than people periodically asking about permabuffs

OK then -- I'm gonna quietly de-sticky this. If someone disagrees with me on this, go ahead and re-sticky it or punch me in the internets or something.