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Wand simplification happy dance
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Monday, 20th November 2017, 16:28by njvack
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f ... 7eef7bec3c1) Wand charges merge upon pickup when the player already has a wand of
that type.
2) Wands no longer have a cap on the number of charges.
3) Remove wand charge identification; now a wand's charges are seen when
picked up.
4) Remove scrolls of recharging, since wand charges are already readily
available, and the aforementioned changes make them even more so.
5) Wands are destroyed when their last charge is used.
Thanks, dev team!
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Monday, 20th November 2017, 18:47by Siegurt
-- retracted my comment as it was overly negative
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Tuesday, 21st November 2017, 02:20by mattlistener
Neato! QoL win.
The question this leaves me with: what is the effective difference between a stack of wand charges and a stack of scrolls?
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Tuesday, 21st November 2017, 02:42by njvack
You can't choose where the stack of charges goes, it's limited by the kinds of wands you find.
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Tuesday, 21st November 2017, 04:37by MainiacJoe
Is the only gain in overall charges as suggested in 4) the elimination of wasted charges on un-ID'd wands? Seems to me that eliminating recharge scrolls is a net loss of useful charges in the game, because no one recharges a weak wand like flame or polymorph.
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Tuesday, 21st November 2017, 05:37by Majang
Looks like some weak wands got removed, too. Overall, a very welcome change!
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Tuesday, 21st November 2017, 09:39by le_nerd
Possible bug: Iljyb didnt have a wand when I killed her on D:2.
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Wednesday, 22nd November 2017, 21:18by gameguard
shouldnt wand rarity be adjusted if recharge is removed? Specifically, scattershot and cloud are extremely rare and you wouldnt get much use out of them if they remain at the current rarity.
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Friday, 24th November 2017, 02:29by mattlistener
> what is the effective difference between a stack of wand charges and a stack of scrolls?
njvack wrote:You can't choose where the stack of charges goes, it's limited by the kinds of wands you find.
How is that a difference compared to scrolls?
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Friday, 24th November 2017, 03:55by njvack
I'm confused. Are you asking how it's different to find scrolls that can be used on any wand as opposed to charging wands by finding more wands?
Functionally, it means you get fewer uses out of rare wands.
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Friday, 24th November 2017, 04:01by duvessa
cant read the scrolls while silenced!!!!
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Friday, 24th November 2017, 15:34by bel
mattlistener wrote:Neato! QoL win.
The question this leaves me with: what is the effective difference between a stack of wand charges and a stack of scrolls?
Wands have a target while scrolls don't.
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Friday, 24th November 2017, 16:11by neil
bel wrote:Wands have a target while scrolls don't.
(Other than blinking)
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Friday, 24th November 2017, 17:58by mattlistener
njvack wrote:I'm confused. Are you asking how it's different to find scrolls that can be used on any wand as opposed to charging wands by finding more wands?
No, I was not talking about Scrolls of Recharging.
"Wands you aim and scrolls you don't" seems like the best answer. Maybe Blinking should be a wand?
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Friday, 24th November 2017, 21:14by Shtopit
Mutations interact differently with scrolls and wands. Maybe Ru too. Scrolls give flat results, wands are skill dependent.
They do work the same inventory-wise now, but so do throwables, certain evocables, and potions.
I do understand the fuss about lost player agency concerning recharging, but it pretty much was just an illusion because of the patent difference in power between wands. It wasn't "I'll recharge the most useful based on situation", it was just choosing the most powerful one in your inventory.
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Friday, 24th November 2017, 23:21by gameguard
Shtopit wrote:Mutations interact differently with scrolls and wands. Maybe Ru too. Scrolls give flat results, wands are skill dependent.
They do work the same inventory-wise now, but so do throwables, certain evocables, and potions.
I do understand the fuss about lost player agency concerning recharging, but it pretty much was just an illusion because of the patent difference in power between wands. It wasn't "I'll recharge the most useful based on situation", it was just choosing the most powerful one in your inventory.
Not really. Ive used recharge plenty of times on "weaker wands" depending on the situation. But its true that the new change will give enough charges to all the wands that you wouldnt have to worry too much except for cloud and scattershot. Now wand of cloud is extremely OP so if the intention was to nerf it, then so be it
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Tuesday, 28th November 2017, 19:36by tasonir
bel wrote:mattlistener wrote:Neato! QoL win.
The question this leaves me with: what is the effective difference between a stack of wand charges and a stack of scrolls?
Wands have a target while scrolls don't.
Aside from blinking I'd also consider the enchant armor/weapon/brand scrolls to have a target - it's just in your inventory, not in the dungeon.
Regardless, the main difference between wands and scrolls is that wands use your evocations skill and scrolls require no training to be maximally effective. A wand of blinking would imply that training evocations would make you better at it, which is why they should remain scrolls.
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Tuesday, 28th November 2017, 20:05by Shtopit
Also, forms. You can't use wands in some forms, but you can use scrolls.
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Wednesday, 29th November 2017, 00:18by svendre
I'm loving the update with wands ... thanks very much!
Re: Wand simplification happy dance
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Thursday, 30th November 2017, 07:20by hannobal