Storm Knights and Snail Knights


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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 16:34

Storm Knights and Snail Knights

Chaos Knights exist presumably so that people can say they ascended a character that worshipped Xom literally the entire game. Qazlal and Cheibriados have two of the hardest conducts amongst the dieties and can be considered challenge gods as well. I think that they should have zealot starts so that one can say they worshipped these challenge gods the whole game.

I like to play games with Chei, but I often feel like I've cheated the challenge if I don't run into an altar of his before D:7. Having a Snail Knight start would help this out greatly.
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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 16:39

Re: Storm Knights and Snail Knights

The developers have been removing Zealot starts for a while now, so I'm not sure if they'd be interested in adding more of them again. I'm also not sure if I agree with your assessment of Cheibriados and Qazlal. They certainly are among the more "radical" gods in terms of how they change gameplay, but I'm not sure they're necessarily challenging on the level of a Xom.

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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 17:01

Re: Storm Knights and Snail Knights

Chei & Qaz are both really strong.

AK exists because otherwise it's very unlikely to see the relevant altar. Should Jelly Knight exist?
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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 17:11

Re: Storm Knights and Snail Knights

All of these zealot starts have been proposed numerous times in the past without gaining any traction among the devs. I suppose folks can feel free to discuss it again, but I think these new knights are unlikely to make it into the game.

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Post Saturday, 17th December 2016, 02:53

Re: Storm Knights and Snail Knights

I think one of the most basic reason against having these new zealots is that Monk exists. Just play Monk if you want a leg-up with your chosen diety, no need for having each God be a separate background.

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Post Saturday, 17th December 2016, 03:48

Re: Storm Knights and Snail Knights

Speleothing wrote:AK exists because otherwise it's very unlikely to see the relevant altar. Should Jelly Knight exist?


Making Slime Knights just seems like a pointless compromise. If there's a gameplay reason for early Jiyva altars to be rare, then it's also probably a reason for Slime Knights not to exist. If there isn't a gameplay reason, then Jiyva should just become a temple god (or reliably accessible early on in some other manner like Beogh).

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Post Saturday, 17th December 2016, 08:56

Re: Storm Knights and Snail Knights

Snail Knights sound like a draconian monster in zot.
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Post Saturday, 17th December 2016, 15:49

Re: Storm Knights and Snail Knights

I'd play the hell out of a quaz zealot.

Slowknight is a bit much. Early pick Chei in general is hilariously strong, his challenge conduct is having distortion piety before centaurs show up.

(Would like yred/TSO zealots to return... just to give me any reason to play yred over kiku ever or a reason to play TSO...ever.)
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Post Sunday, 18th December 2016, 10:44

Re: Storm Knights and Snail Knights

Quazifuji wrote:
Speleothing wrote:AK exists because otherwise it's very unlikely to see the relevant altar. Should Jelly Knight exist?


Making Slime Knights just seems like a pointless compromise. If there's a gameplay reason for early Jiyva altars to be rare, then it's also probably a reason for Slime Knights not to exist. If there isn't a gameplay reason, then Jiyva should just become a temple god (or reliably accessible early on in some other manner like Beogh).


I think there is a theoretical reason that jellies would eat the stuff you need to survive the earliest part of the dungeon. In practice, Jivvy is OK nonetheless. Making her a later god is a deliberate choice anyway, so we don't have much of a chance to have a slime knight. I think her rarity in the early game also has something to do with the free rune, it is a good tradeoff if you don't want to do one of the lair branches.
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Post Monday, 19th December 2016, 03:14

Re: Storm Knights and Snail Knights

Quazifuji wrote:
Speleothing wrote:AK exists because otherwise it's very unlikely to see the relevant altar. Should Jelly Knight exist?


Making Slime Knights just seems like a pointless compromise. If there's a gameplay reason for early Jiyva altars to be rare, then it's also probably a reason for Slime Knights not to exist. If there isn't a gameplay reason, then Jiyva should just become a temple god (or reliably accessible early on in some other manner like Beogh).


Agreed, I was just making a point

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