Shoals Surfer
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Joined: Monday, 20th June 2016, 15:27
Saturday, 17th December 2016, 19:35
Remove Dowan and Duvessa
Quote from Wiglaf removal: "With Donald's flavour ringing truer and truer over the years, and with
Wiglaf representing a removed race (...)."
Dowan and Duvessa represent a removed race, the high elves. Hold your "Objection!" - we know that they are high elves because Dowan has the characteristic flowing blonde hair of a high elf and duvessa is his sister so she's one as well.
Now some of you will point out that their species is simply listed as "elf". But wouldn't you believe it, "elf" is also a removed race.
And what does the up-to date CrawlWiki tell us? "Note that there are no actual deep elf uniques. However, the following three unique elves appear in the dungeon." Also they don't have the charecteristic red eyes, white hair and pale skin of deep elves.
So they either represent "high elves" or "elves", both player races that were removed. Not reason enough to remove them? Well it was sure as hell enough reason to remove Wiglaf. Since his mechanics got passed on to Donald, we can tell that Wiglaf was actually interesting enough to exist, he just happened to be a dwarf.
But I will also point out that Dowan and Duvessa are not good mechanically regardless. They are wimpy and weak and pose no real threat once you know how their gimmick works, in fact, it even works against them. One cannot even follow you upstairs unless the other is also adjecent to you and you can easily abuse that fact like a power gamer in a pen&paper roleplaying game to avoid them or snipe one of them. Then you realize that Duvessa's wonder twin power is only temporary and can thus be stalled out easily. But even if you just charge in headlong into both of them they are very, very, very unliekely to put up any semblance of a fight, wonder twin power or not.
If it's too long to read, then why do you answer anyway (Iftltr;twdyaa?): Dowan and Duvessa represent either a removed player race or another removed player race. Their gimmick sounds cool on paper (dual boss fight) but in actuality promotes questionable gameplay, is spoilery and poses no real challenge except to new players who encounter them for the very first time, a kill rate which is abysmally lower than the high dev standards plus it's not interesting for players to face off against them. Also neither of them brings anything unique to the table, Dowan is a glorified orc wizard while Duvessa is a very poor man's Rupert.
I recomend using an axe. Axes cleave, so you can remove both of them in a single commit.
Checkmate.
Wiglaf representing a removed race (...)."
Dowan and Duvessa represent a removed race, the high elves. Hold your "Objection!" - we know that they are high elves because Dowan has the characteristic flowing blonde hair of a high elf and duvessa is his sister so she's one as well.
Now some of you will point out that their species is simply listed as "elf". But wouldn't you believe it, "elf" is also a removed race.
And what does the up-to date CrawlWiki tell us? "Note that there are no actual deep elf uniques. However, the following three unique elves appear in the dungeon." Also they don't have the charecteristic red eyes, white hair and pale skin of deep elves.
So they either represent "high elves" or "elves", both player races that were removed. Not reason enough to remove them? Well it was sure as hell enough reason to remove Wiglaf. Since his mechanics got passed on to Donald, we can tell that Wiglaf was actually interesting enough to exist, he just happened to be a dwarf.
But I will also point out that Dowan and Duvessa are not good mechanically regardless. They are wimpy and weak and pose no real threat once you know how their gimmick works, in fact, it even works against them. One cannot even follow you upstairs unless the other is also adjecent to you and you can easily abuse that fact like a power gamer in a pen&paper roleplaying game to avoid them or snipe one of them. Then you realize that Duvessa's wonder twin power is only temporary and can thus be stalled out easily. But even if you just charge in headlong into both of them they are very, very, very unliekely to put up any semblance of a fight, wonder twin power or not.
If it's too long to read, then why do you answer anyway (Iftltr;twdyaa?): Dowan and Duvessa represent either a removed player race or another removed player race. Their gimmick sounds cool on paper (dual boss fight) but in actuality promotes questionable gameplay, is spoilery and poses no real challenge except to new players who encounter them for the very first time, a kill rate which is abysmally lower than the high dev standards plus it's not interesting for players to face off against them. Also neither of them brings anything unique to the table, Dowan is a glorified orc wizard while Duvessa is a very poor man's Rupert.
I recomend using an axe. Axes cleave, so you can remove both of them in a single commit.
Checkmate.
- For this message the author removeelyvilon has received thanks: 3
- duvessa, nago, Shard1697
