Remove 'remove curse scroll'


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Temple Termagant

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Post Saturday, 12th November 2016, 21:49

Remove 'remove curse scroll'

yes, guys, seriously.

well the system of 'curse' is very traditional identity of old rougelike games. but dcss, nonetheless evolves into much modern style(?)

so this game is still alive and that's why we love this game so far. this game has intended to be change more 'efficiency' way.

(pardon my bad english. not my first tongue)

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but the real point is,

'remove curse scoll' (now i'll call it as RCS) is useless.

reason is

1.not 'efficiency'

- i mean, at the beginning of the game (about 1-10 floors), we can see rings and there's chance get cursed items like -2 protection, rantele, etc

but when i wear and if it cursed, just use RCS imediately, and boom! it's done. its not even the problem.

then, when you have no RCS now? 2 options. (1)endure and believe you could find RCS eventually (2) just Q!

pls. curse is now just 'cumbersome' but not 'problem'. at the beginning curse makes you click Q button. it catches your time in vein.

2.but not delete curse system.

- i think, the point of curse is 'you can't change your item until something is done' if i'm right.

so, what i think is,

(1)you can't identify curse item by using identify scroll.(but yes, you can see stats)

(2)gives more probability to cursed status to more 'good item'

(3)*we need EXP to remove curse.

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>the purpose of (1) is ,

gives more efficiency to 'identify scroll'

you know in the late game,there's hundreds of this, we still need identify scroll but.. its chicken ribs.

for example, when you see like enchanted gloves,

you could expect this as +dex or +str (both always good)

but also +archery (only good for archers)

so, before the game you just put gloves with no fear

but now if it changed, you should think once more.

'should i use identify scoll? or keep it? or just gamble it? '

yes it could be more challanging.

>(2)you know, it's more 'balanced'.

for instances,

when you put +1 ev ring but cursed, you might think 'darn! stupid troll engine! (no offense to troll) it gives me a sh*t!'

instead +rF,+rN,+MR ring but cursed, you might think 'hell yeah whatever cursed i can deal withit'

that's the point.

and (3) is important.

you need EXP (rated by your lvl like at the level 1 you need 10EXP, level 2 you need more..) to remove curse.

so when you wear good items but cursed, you can endure it,(well actually no other options) and still play a game.

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but there's still problem.

a.how about ranged weapons, and rods? and staffs?

cursed rods? lol pls. that impossible. no curse to rods

cursed staff is not a big problem.

but you have to use identify scroll more wisely.

there's 10 staffs so.. be careful. but you still can deal with it i guess.

BUT ranged weapon is a big deal.

if you have low ammo or, want to switch to melee...

so what i think is you need half EXP to remove curse... but,

i don't know sorry. any better ideas?

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3.then how about Ashen's?

- so, we have to change Ashen's ability.

curse your item requires no RCS,but no piety. sound great? but

you need much much piety when you remove curse.

cuz, now remove curse is rather strong ability

and you can just curse your item so easily means you can get much faster piety boost.

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well, it's not perfect idea i guess

but i really think

we should do something to curse or RCS system. really. it's annoying.

thankyou

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Mines Malingerer

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Post Saturday, 12th November 2016, 22:16

Re: Remove 'remove curse scroll'

By requiring experience to remove you mean something akin to having the drained effect - the curse is lifted when you earn enough xp?

Temple Termagant

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Post Saturday, 12th November 2016, 22:49

Re: Remove 'remove curse scroll'

Deso wrote:By requiring experience to remove you mean something akin to having the drained effect - the curse is lifted when you earn enough xp?


yeah like drain effect. but not steal your exp. like, you regain your lost attributes by killing
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Ziggurat Zagger

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Post Saturday, 12th November 2016, 22:58

Re: Remove 'remove curse scroll'

Note that draining does not steal your exp either.
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Post Monday, 14th November 2016, 21:27

Re: Remove 'remove curse scroll'

Yes, only Hepl can do that. Drain effectively takes your skill levels back by a variable amount (dependent on the drain level), and this drain level decreases with all XP that you gain. In NetHack, drain does steal XP; good541 could be confusing the two drain mechanics.

Additionally, just to clarify Hepl, she doesn't drain the player as wrath; she rather "steals" a few XL worth of XP, preventing you from leveling up and (IIRC) skilling up for a time.
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Post Tuesday, 15th November 2016, 00:22

Re: Remove 'remove curse scroll'

Ashens suffered enough from eating that 60 year old military ration, leave him out of this

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Post Tuesday, 15th November 2016, 12:26

Re: Remove 'remove curse scroll'

duvessa wrote:Ashens suffered enough from eating that 60 year old military ration, leave him out of this


well, no offense to Ashen. i don wanna touch her balance neither. than how about flip the idea? curse item need piety, and uncurse doesn't need so. but, when you wear item at first time, she will curse that immediatly without piety loss. but problem is swapping weapon. i mean swapping WAS hard when you believe Ashen but could be worse if it works in this way. so make exception to hand? still painful to think

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Post Wednesday, 16th November 2016, 21:33

Re: Remove 'remove curse scroll'

I believe (in your OP) that you mean adding more utility to ?oI, not more efficiency.

Ash. Yeah. She's difficult. Still, I have a solution:

1. Remove curses.
2. Add an effect, stickyItems, that applies whenever you are worshipping Ash.
3. Add an Ash ability, available from the start (presumably), that temporarily removes stickyItems for a duration (dependent on piety/Invo?).
4. Optional: make another slot for ranged weapons, another slot for rods/staves. Now archers of Ash aren't screwed.
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