Make it clear Minotaurs don't retaliate on blocked attacks.
Posted: Friday, 7th October 2016, 05:14See title.
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Posted: Friday, 7th October 2016, 05:14Re: Make it clear Minotaurs don't retaliate on blocked attac
Posted: Friday, 7th October 2016, 12:24I think that both riposte and headbutt should trigger on a block because shields lower your EV and I am pretty sure shields go first (you try to block an attack b4 trying to dodge it). Also I like the idea of adding SH to longblades, but thats a different story.
Re: Make it clear Minotaurs don't retaliate on blocked attac
Posted: Friday, 7th October 2016, 17:48No, add SH to staves!
Re: Make it clear Minotaurs don't retaliate on blocked attac
Posted: Friday, 7th October 2016, 18:03Rather than making headbutt etc. trigger on shield blocks, I would suggest checking dodging before shields. That way being better at shield blocks neither increases the chance of getting a headbutt (as it would if blocks triggered headbutts) nor decreases it (as it currently does: a successful block means you don't even try to dodge).
Re: Make it clear Minotaurs don't retaliate on blocked attac
Posted: Friday, 7th October 2016, 18:42reflection nerf!
Re: Make it clear Minotaurs don't retaliate on blocked attac
Posted: Friday, 7th October 2016, 18:43neil wrote:Rather than making headbutt etc. trigger on shield blocks, I would suggest checking dodging before shields. That way being better at shield blocks neither increases the chance of getting a headbutt (as it would if blocks triggered headbutts) nor decreases it (as it currently does: a successful block means you don't even try to dodge).
As a side benefit, this would be a slight downgrade for rMsl/dMsl.
Re: Make it clear Minotaurs don't retaliate on blocked attac
Posted: Friday, 7th October 2016, 19:30How about adding together dodge/block chances, using that for notHit chance, and then using the relative size to determine which it is? Nice and neutral.
Re: Make it clear Minotaurs don't retaliate on blocked attac
Posted: Friday, 7th October 2016, 19:32Sar wrote:reflection nerf!
Re: Make it clear Minotaurs don't retaliate on blocked attac
Posted: Friday, 7th October 2016, 21:21neil wrote:Rather than making headbutt etc. trigger on shield blocks, I would suggest checking dodging before shields. That way being better at shield blocks neither increases the chance of getting a headbutt (as it would if blocks triggered headbutts) nor decreases it (as it currently does: a successful block means you don't even try to dodge).
I was looking for something to write, so I put a patch for this on mantis. I've tried to keep the existing behavior otherwise intact while moving the dodge check up.
https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10722
Re: Make it clear Minotaurs don't retaliate on blocked attac
Posted: Friday, 7th October 2016, 21:43duvessa wrote:...and a shield buff otherwise.Sar wrote:reflection nerf!
Re: Make it clear Minotaurs don't retaliate on blocked attac
Posted: Friday, 7th October 2016, 22:31duvessa wrote:...and a shield buff otherwise.Sar wrote:reflection nerf!
...for characters with aux-attacks.
Also, my solution has the benefit of "shields don't hurt Mi" without any sort of buffs or nerfs at all, except maybe slightly, ever so slightly,
Re: Make it clear Minotaurs don't retaliate on blocked attac
Posted: Saturday, 8th October 2016, 00:06jwoodward48ss wrote:duvessa wrote:...and a shield buff otherwise.Sar wrote:reflection nerf!
...for characters with aux-attacks.
Re: Make it clear Minotaurs don't retaliate on blocked attac
Posted: Saturday, 8th October 2016, 00:15Ah, didn't know that. Seems kind of minimal, though, as in the ONLY PART OF THE GAME THAT MATTERS, decent SH and decent EV are frequently XOR - one or the other, not both.