Halls Hopper
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Joined: Tuesday, 15th September 2015, 01:06
Saturday, 1st October 2016, 11:44
Make Basajaun a stealthy race.
Hey, I have been trying basajaun this week, although i have not won yet i have beaten lair with a basajaun; and to me, maybe since i picked (arguably the best) book start, it feels very similar to any other flat apt race, like playing a huie, or a drie, etc... I have heard from other players who pick non book starts that is like a worse ogre.
When I was deciding what role to pick, I almost picked BaEn; it sounded like a fun char to try, and with the +1 hex apt and high(ish) int it seemed like a natural fit...except, Ba being large gets a stealth malus; and a -1 apt to stealth. So i decided to pick my fallback role, IE
I know from experience that the --en start is good even without any boosts to stealth; but some players i have talked too seem to think --en is the domain of spriggan and vampire only. Maybe eschewing the stealth malus for large races, and/or buffing the stealth apt, might encourage some players to try BaEn. It seemed like the hex apts were at odds with the stealth malus and apt anyways.
Since it seems so similar to the other worse troll, it might be worth experiemting with some different niches for this race. Too me, a stealthy large race is something i have never heard of, or thought of before. It could be fun!
Like I said, I havent played past lair with this race yet. Having 120+ hp in lair at the exchange of ev/lower shield penalty is somewhat unique, but as far as gameplay goes it hasnt changed anything for me when it comes to beating lair threats like black mamba, dream sheep and hydra. The most interesting part of the character so far, was finding confuse spell early and taking advantage of +1 hex apt! The fact i can wield giant club or throw large rock has had 0 impact to me. Maybe it will be more unique than other races through lair branches and beyond, but i am doubtful.
Some other interesting races filling unique niches have tangible effects even in the early game (like Vs, or Fo) so maybe some intrinsic differences(similar to the Op stealth boost, and/or a buff to Ba stealth apt) for Ba can separate it further from Og, or any other flat magic apt race.
Although the race feels pretty strong to me, i dont think buffing its stealth capability would make it too powerful. If that is the case it could be easy to balance by lowering HP apt to +1.
When I was deciding what role to pick, I almost picked BaEn; it sounded like a fun char to try, and with the +1 hex apt and high(ish) int it seemed like a natural fit...except, Ba being large gets a stealth malus; and a -1 apt to stealth. So i decided to pick my fallback role, IE
I know from experience that the --en start is good even without any boosts to stealth; but some players i have talked too seem to think --en is the domain of spriggan and vampire only. Maybe eschewing the stealth malus for large races, and/or buffing the stealth apt, might encourage some players to try BaEn. It seemed like the hex apts were at odds with the stealth malus and apt anyways.
Since it seems so similar to the other worse troll, it might be worth experiemting with some different niches for this race. Too me, a stealthy large race is something i have never heard of, or thought of before. It could be fun!
Like I said, I havent played past lair with this race yet. Having 120+ hp in lair at the exchange of ev/lower shield penalty is somewhat unique, but as far as gameplay goes it hasnt changed anything for me when it comes to beating lair threats like black mamba, dream sheep and hydra. The most interesting part of the character so far, was finding confuse spell early and taking advantage of +1 hex apt! The fact i can wield giant club or throw large rock has had 0 impact to me. Maybe it will be more unique than other races through lair branches and beyond, but i am doubtful.
Some other interesting races filling unique niches have tangible effects even in the early game (like Vs, or Fo) so maybe some intrinsic differences(similar to the Op stealth boost, and/or a buff to Ba stealth apt) for Ba can separate it further from Og, or any other flat magic apt race.
Although the race feels pretty strong to me, i dont think buffing its stealth capability would make it too powerful. If that is the case it could be easy to balance by lowering HP apt to +1.
