Display chances for sack of spiders and box of beasts

[VeryAngryFelid]

Sack of spiders and box of beasts have a chance to be destroyed on use

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New sack of spiders chances:
Evo 1 chance of self-destruct: 36.4%
Evo 1 chance of getting spiders: 34.7%
Evo 2 chance of self-destruct: 33.3%
Evo 2 chance of getting spiders: 38.9%
Evo 3 chance of self-destruct: 30.8%
Evo 3 chance of getting spiders: 42.6%
Evo 4 chance of self-destruct: 28.6%
Evo 4 chance of getting spiders: 45.9%
Evo 5 chance of self-destruct: 26.7%
Evo 5 chance of getting spiders: 48.9%
Evo 6 chance of self-destruct: 25.0%
Evo 6 chance of getting spiders: 51.6%
Evo 7 chance of self-destruct: 23.5%
Evo 7 chance of getting spiders: 54.0%
Evo 8 chance of self-destruct: 22.2%
Evo 8 chance of getting spiders: 56.2%
Evo 9 chance of self-destruct: 21.1%
Evo 9 chance of getting spiders: 58.2%
Evo 10 chance of self-destruct: 20.0%
Evo 10 chance of getting spiders: 60.0%
Evo 11 chance of self-destruct: 19.0%
Evo 11 chance of getting spiders: 61.7%
Evo 12 chance of self-destruct: 18.2%
Evo 12 chance of getting spiders: 63.2%
Evo 13 chance of self-destruct: 17.4%
Evo 13 chance of getting spiders: 64.7%
Evo 14 chance of self-destruct: 16.7%
Evo 14 chance of getting spiders: 66.0%
Evo 15 chance of self-destruct: 16.0%
Evo 15 chance of getting spiders: 67.2%
Evo 16 chance of self-destruct: 15.4%
Evo 16 chance of getting spiders: 68.3%
Evo 17 chance of self-destruct: 14.8%
Evo 17 chance of getting spiders: 69.4%
Evo 18 chance of self-destruct: 14.3%
Evo 18 chance of getting spiders: 70.4%
Evo 19 chance of self-destruct: 13.8%
Evo 19 chance of getting spiders: 71.3%
Evo 20 chance of self-destruct: 13.3%
Evo 20 chance of getting spiders: 72.2%
Evo 21 chance of self-destruct: 12.9%
Evo 21 chance of getting spiders: 73.0%
Evo 22 chance of self-destruct: 12.5%
Evo 22 chance of getting spiders: 73.8%
Evo 23 chance of self-destruct: 12.1%
Evo 23 chance of getting spiders: 74.6%
Evo 24 chance of self-destruct: 11.8%
Evo 24 chance of getting spiders: 75.3%
Evo 25 chance of self-destruct: 11.4%
Evo 25 chance of getting spiders: 75.9%
Evo 26 chance of self-destruct: 11.1%
Evo 26 chance of getting spiders: 76.5%
Evo 27 chance of self-destruct: 10.8%
Evo 27 chance of getting spiders: 77.1%

Box of beasts chances:
Evo 1 chance of self-destruct: 45.5%
Evo 2 chance of self-destruct: 41.7%
Evo 3 chance of self-destruct: 38.5%
Evo 4 chance of self-destruct: 35.7%
Evo 5 chance of self-destruct: 33.3%
Evo 6 chance of self-destruct: 31.3%
Evo 7 chance of self-destruct: 29.4%
Evo 8 chance of self-destruct: 27.8%
Evo 9 chance of self-destruct: 26.3%
Evo 10 chance of self-destruct: 25.0%
Evo 11 chance of self-destruct: 23.8%
Evo 12 chance of self-destruct: 22.7%
Evo 13 chance of self-destruct: 21.7%
Evo 14 chance of self-destruct: 20.8%
Evo 15 chance of self-destruct: 20.0%
Evo 16 chance of self-destruct: 19.2%
Evo 17 chance of self-destruct: 18.5%
Evo 18 chance of self-destruct: 17.9%
Evo 19 chance of self-destruct: 17.2%
Evo 20 chance of self-destruct: 16.7%
Evo 21 chance of self-destruct: 16.1%
Evo 22 chance of self-destruct: 15.6%
Evo 23 chance of self-destruct: 15.2%
Evo 24 chance of self-destruct: 14.7%
Evo 25 chance of self-destruct: 14.3%
Evo 26 chance of self-destruct: 13.9%
Evo 27 chance of self-destruct: 13.5%

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9 ... e3470010c9

But the chance is not displayed in the game and players cannot learn how much Evo helps with destruction no matter how many games they played.
I suggest to display something like "With your current Evocations skill, it has N% chance to be destroyed and M% chance to summon monsters".

[duvessa]

Evo skill should not change the destruction chance at all. It already makes each evocation more powerful, why should it give you more evocations too? It doesn't make your wands or rods use fewer charges.

[VeryAngryFelid]

Yes, that would be even a better solution.

[MainiacJoe]

So they don't have charges, but instead have a chance to self-destruct each time? I never knew that! The text, "used n times" suggests charges; after all, each roll for destruction is unaffected by the number of previously unsuccessful destruction rolls.

[VeryAngryFelid]

They did have charges before the commit 3 days ago.

[Rast]

Ugh, so even more incentive to carry around multiples now.

[duvessa]

I think the idea of this change was to make it easier to make sacks of spiders and box of beasts stack.

[VeryAngryFelid]

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d ... a7b3c66b23

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Make box of beasts and sack of spiders stackable.

We're living the dream.

[nago]

So why don't just increase their spawn rate and make them single use like phantom mirror?

[VeryAngryFelid]

True, it is hard to balance an item when you don't know how many times it will be used exactly.
Or alternatively make other items work the same way. Wand of hasting being destroyed on attempt to recharge, for example. As a side effect it could lead to more interesting scroll of acquirement.

[Lasty]

I considered making them single-use, but I thought that making them unreliable and unpredictable was a better nerf for them considering how they're often used, while also being more in keeping with the flavor. I mean, I'd have to rename it "box of beast"!

Edit: and the justification was both nerfing the items and also stacking, fwiw.

[Shard1697]

while also being more in keeping with the flavor. I mean, I'd have to rename it "box of beast"!

They're all combinations of multiple different animals, though, so it's still beasts. Or at least that's how I understood it, it's like the box puts together a chimera, and that's why it's chaotic and Zin dislikes it.

[pumpyscump]

Zin is like that crazy uncle at dinner. He claims saffron is a loathsome, unamerican spice and he can't eat it. But he can't actually taste whether there's any saffron in the dish, he just hollers, spits, and rejects random things as his mood dictates.

[Tiktacy]

Zin is like that crazy uncle at dinner. He claims saffron is a loathsome, unamerican spice and he can't eat it. But he can't actually taste whether there's any saffron in the dish, he just hollers, spits, and rejects random things as his mood dictates.

[xbon]

There's always been under the hood stuff... if it showed the chances for everything descriptions would get cluttered... I think it's best just to leave it to either the learndb or crawling through commits personally.

[ololoev]

If sacks and boxes become single-use, like scrolls, will the ?summon be removed? We already have shadow creatures spell and rod of shadows! Why clutter inventory and make too much choises, lol?

[4Hooves2Appendages]

I like changing box and sack to have fixed chances of destruction. The exact number doesn't need to be in the description, but just a comment that it can break on use.