FR: Allow Stoneskin in Dragon Form


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Lair Larrikin

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Post Saturday, 3rd October 2015, 20:44

FR: Allow Stoneskin in Dragon Form

Hi! I think it would be interesting to allow Stoneskin in Dragon Form. I'm not sure why it's currently disallowed -- it seems an odd special case from the other situations where it is allowed.

Ozo's armour is already allowed, and that spell gives more AC per spellpower. So this would be a minor buff to dragon form's AC -- but in most situations I'd expect Ozo's would be the preferred spell.

Currently, every dragon form character should learn Ozo's -- it's only 3 spell slots and it is castable for any char that can cast haste.

the intention is to make players decide whether they should skill for Stoneskin, Ozo's, or both.

This change could hopefully increase the number of situations where players choose dragon form (or possibly hydra form, see below) over blade hands, which seems like an improvement to me. it also does so in a way that's not a straight buff, as the caster needs to choose between the two buff spells (as blade handers do).

mechanical reasons:
- Stoneskin gives less AC than Ozo's, given similar spellpower, so it's not a major buff
- however, a human with enough transmutations and charms to cast Dragon Form and Haste may have interesting strategic decisions for which one to skill
- because Ozo's can melt, this may lead to interesting tactical decisions when facing multiple opponents (some of them firebreathing)
- dragon form is a spell that comes with big drawbacks and it can be difficult to build a character that benefits overall from the form. This would be a (small) buff to ease the loss of cool armour (or in the Fe case, the loss of awesome EV)
- strategic: this is a slight buff to characters who want to train high transmutations for Hydra form spellpower

thematic reasons:
- the transmutations playstyle is thematically about mutually-exclusive "buffs" -- this would tweak the playstyle a little more in favour of that
- Flavour: Stoneskin can be cast by octopodes, vine stalkers, statue formers(!), and draconians(!) -- why not dragons?
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Post Sunday, 4th October 2015, 04:52

Re: FR: Allow Stoneskin in Dragon Form

Casting stoneskin while in dragon form turns you into iron dragon?
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Post Sunday, 4th October 2015, 07:35

Re: FR: Allow Stoneskin in Dragon Form

kuniqs wrote:Casting stoneskin while in dragon form turns you into iron dragon?

Along those lines:

While in dragon form:
Casting Ice form turns you into an ice dragon.
Casting Necromutation while in dragon form turns you into a bone dragon
Casting Statue form turns you into an iron dragon.
Casting Stoneskin turns you into a mottled dragon.
Casting Spider form turns you into a swamp dragon.
Using Dithmenos's shadow form turns you into a shadow dragon
Casting Blade hands turns you into a quicksilver dragon
Casting Hydra form while in dragon form turns you into a gold dragon
Being changed into a wisp while in dragon form will turn you into a steam dragon.
And of course, if you are worshipping TSO, you always immediately become a pearl dragon when you cast dragon form, and are excommunicated if you become any other kind of dragon.
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Post Sunday, 4th October 2015, 13:37

Re: FR: Allow Stoneskin in Dragon Form

If you recast Dragon Form while already transformed, you should become Double Dragon for a massive boost to your UC.

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Post Monday, 5th October 2015, 02:20

Re: FR: Allow Stoneskin in Dragon Form

Croases wrote:If you recast Dragon Form while already transformed, you should become Double Dragon for a massive boost to your UC.

Let's not introduce problematic themes where you have to kill/knock out your own brother to get awarded the trophy female at the end, please.

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