an *immo property on armor

[Pollen_Golem]

Some artefacts cause corrosion or confusion when you get hit hard enough. I propose having some armor that occasionally explodes when you take any damage, hurting both you and nearby enemies. Scrolls of immolation used to create an explosion centered on the reader, and was a useful though dangerous effect. This armor can have the same effect as old scrolls of immolation. It would be sometimes terrible, and sometimes great, especially with good rF against melee monsters. I don't think we have anything to fear from degenerate behavior in terms of players trying to hurt themselves to trigger an explosion, since any damage taken is not a good thing, and all sources of damage should have an equal likelihood of triggering it. Besides, if it only triggers, say, 10% of the time, then there's always something better to be doing. (As for whether this should sometimes be an evocable */+ property, that's a whole new question.)

[Lasty]

I had tentatively planned to create this almost exactly as listed here, but I wasn't convinced it was a good idea, so I haven't implemented it.

[Jeremiah]

If you make armour from Xtahua's hide, it should gain this property.

[Rast]

I "thanked" for not implementing it.

[Sar]

you didn't implement exploding armour but did implement corroding and draining ones?

wtf man

[byrel]

Since thanks are fairly ambiguous in this thread, I think it's a nice idea. Another option would be for the armor to occasionally inner-flame and enemy on hit. Or make it a weapon (a fixedart axe, obviously) that inner flames the enemy. Something like that.

[advil]

Since thanks are fairly ambiguous in this thread, I think it's a nice idea. Another option would be for the armor to occasionally inner-flame and enemy on hit. Or make it a weapon (a fixedart axe, obviously) that inner flames the enemy. Something like that.

Can't tell if this is a joke but there's already a fixedart great mace that does this, 'firestarter'. Also provides rF++, without which it would be completely unusable, much like any artifact that had this hypothetical property. (Seriously, what is the point of adding properties to non-jewelry artifacts that make them unusable in 95% of circumstances?? We already have enough of those.)

[Sandman25]

Can't tell if this is a joke but there's already a fixedart great mace that does this, 'firestarter'. Also provides rF++, without which it would be completely unusable, much like any artifact that had this hypothetical property. (Seriously, what is the point of adding properties to non-jewelry artifacts that make them unusable in 95% of circumstances?? We already have enough of those.)

Well, I use-IDed a ring mail with *Contam and *Confuse, and I decided to use it.
I believe we can add more properties if they are often with *Contam.

[byrel]

Can't tell if this is a joke but there's already a fixedart great mace that does this, 'firestarter'. Also provides rF++, without which it would be completely unusable, much like any artifact that had this hypothetical property.

(Yeah, I knew there was one at some point. Though I didn't know if it still existed) Since they added cleaving, there's no excuse for firestarter to not give rF+++ and be an axe. Just saying.

[Quazifuji]

(Seriously, what is the point of adding properties to non-jewelry artifacts that make them unusable in 95% of circumstances?? We already have enough of those.)

I think they're cool as long as they're really awesome when you do encounter that 5% of circumstances where you can use them.

What I like about exploding armour is that, while it might be unusable if you don't have good fire resistance, it's strong if you do. So when you get a game where you have an easy source of rF++ and *immo armour, you get to have fun running around exploding everywhere.

The problem with a lot of "crippling in 95% of circumstances" downsides of randarts currently in the game is that they're just that - downsides that are crippling in 95% of circumstances. Even when you have the right setup to overcome the downside, it doesn't do anything good unless it happened to generate on an otherwise amazing piece of gear. A ring mail with *confuse and rN+ is terrible if you have no clarity, and extremely boring and mediocre if you do have clarity. A ring mail with *immo and rN+ is terrible if you have no r, but fun and interesting if you have rF++.

Really, this is the type of randart property I'd like to see more of, as opposed to the existing ones that are just bad. Properties that have an upside and a downside without relying on the randart having other good properties to be interesting instead of terrible.

[asdu]

"Crippling in 95% of circumstances" would still be too much (or too little) for a property like this. Imagine how dumb it would be if you'd end up with a self-immolating MiBe once every 20 games. Firestarter already exists and using it once every few hundred games provides more than enough uncontrollable explosions (which, you might find, end up being annoying as hell).

[Wahaha]

I didn't find firestarter explosions annoying.
Armor chance to explode is in a way better than corrosion because the explosion is an instant effect and you can't do anything about it after it happens. Corrosion you can walk away, this is seen as a bad thing. So explosions are better than corrosion in this sense at least.

Imagine how dumb it would be if you'd end up with a self-immolating MiBe once every 20 games

Agree with this though. Exploding armor does become unpleasant if it appears on usable armor more often than, let's say the rarity of an average unique artifact times two. On usable armor, not just any armor.

[wizzzargh]

Will *twister make an exciting comeback as a damage trigger instead of an evokable property!?!?

On a more serious note, I think a lot of miscast effects have potential as * properties- random blinking, cloud placement, and so on. Always cool to see randarts do things that affect player decisions and not just player numbers.

[Rast]

Always cool to see randarts do things that affect player decisions and not just player numbers.

Not if 95% of the time the player decision is "drop it on the floor and walk away".

[duvessa]

Randart properties like -cast and *confuse that either make the item totally useless or do nothing at all do not create interesting decisions and you can accomplish the same effect by generating fewer randarts.

[Lasty]

I agree with duvessa about -Cast, but not about *Confuse. I suppose you're referring to characters w/ clarity there, but it's a perfectly viable property to deal with w/o clarity. That clarity does make it do nothing isn't ideal though, I agree.

[bel]

I just used a ring with *confuse all through the game on a HO, without clarity. It triggers rarely enough that it's not a big problem. The ring had rn+, rPois, MR+ and MP+9 (I had guardian spirit amulet). I could just wait out the confuse in many situations.

I swapped it out in Zot though.

[le_nerd]

If *immo gets implemented, why not make *freeze as well? Applies a full power freeze to all adjacent hexes+self, and/or metabolic englaciation.

[Pollen_Golem]

On a more serious note, I think a lot of miscast effects have potential as * properties- random blinking, cloud placement, and so on.

I actually like that: *blink, makes you blink upon taking sufficient damage!

Randart properties like -cast and *confuse that either make the item totally useless or do nothing at all do not create interesting decisions and you can accomplish the same effect by generating fewer randarts.

Right, well, *immo is different because there are enough gradations of rF and HP that the cost/benefit of *immo takes place on a continuum, where the point where it becomes bad/good is somewhat arbitrary.

I just used a ring with *confuse all through the game on a HO, without clarity. It triggers rarely enough that it's not a big problem.

Exactly, and this too would be an occasional effect to (un)pleasantly surprise you. So, it doesn't have to be as rare as a particular unrand, like somebody said. It's not like Devastator or Firestarter or a few others that just keep triggering.