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Buff Twisted Resurrection
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Friday, 13th June 2014, 21:47by nogardnew
I suggest less Small Abominations required to form a Large Abomination and/or the HP regenerated from merging to be higher.
Reasons:
When the regeneration of Twisted Resurrection was removed, the spell became "dull". It was already hard to use effectively, because corpses don't always drop, transformation chance isn't very high( in my experience) and only Large Abominations are useful. Now you need to worship Kiku in order to use it efficiently.
I know the spell needed some changes, but it's really weak right now in my opinion.
Sorry for my bad english.
Re: Buff Twisted Resurrection
Posted:
Saturday, 14th June 2014, 17:02by khalil
Your grammar and spelling is OK. I'd certainly love it TR got buffed. I love the idea of making some kind of zombie voltron.
Actually, another thing: instead of basing the number of those tiny corpse things created on the weight of the corpse, base it of HD. That way, it'll stay useful in the lower levels where it's currently extremely outclassed.
Re: Buff Twisted Resurrection
Posted:
Saturday, 14th June 2014, 17:05by Sar
I heard there were plans to make it create a single strong abomination. I agree that current version is unpleasant to use to the point I prefer Animate Skeleton to it if Kiku gifts TR instead of Animate Dead.
Re: Buff Twisted Resurrection
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Saturday, 14th June 2014, 17:33by sage
The plan is to make it create one strong abom, like Sar said. And if that doesn't work out, I'll remove it.
And I should be able to get started on that in the next few days, so changes will happen "fairly soon."
Re: Buff Twisted Resurrection
Posted:
Saturday, 14th June 2014, 17:42by crate
(Twisted res is probably actually still stupidly strong right now, though as always the spell is "balanced" by making it excruciatingly tedious)
Re: Buff Twisted Resurrection
Posted:
Sunday, 15th June 2014, 01:30by neil
crate wrote:(Twisted res is probably actually still stupidly strong right now, though as always the spell is "balanced" by making it excruciatingly tedious)
(Responding in part to your post in the Buff spells thread):
Note that, while they still doen't have interlevel recall, abominations don't have to be adjacent to follow since 0.14 (0.14-a0-1418-g9d082e1). It's still tedious for sufficient numbers of aboms or sufficiently tight staircases.
Re: Buff Twisted Resurrection
Posted:
Sunday, 15th June 2014, 03:26by asdu
neil wrote:crate wrote:(Twisted res is probably actually still stupidly strong right now, though as always the spell is "balanced" by making it excruciatingly tedious)
(Responding in part to your post in the Buff spells thread):
Note that, while they still doen't have interlevel recall, abominations don't have to be adjacent to follow since 0.14 (0.14-a0-1418-g9d082e1). It's still tedious for sufficient numbers of aboms or sufficiently tight staircases.
The real issue is that Kiku worshippers don't get recall anymore. Back when they did I used to occasionally learn it, despite the annoyance (and boy was old corpse-stacking TR annoying to use). Without recall, it's not a matter of how good or bad it is, but whether my disdain for it warrants converting to Trog in order to burn the book it's in.
Re: Buff Twisted Resurrection
Posted:
Sunday, 15th June 2014, 10:50by khalil
Why doesn't Kiku give recall? It's not necromancy, but it is a very nice spell for necromancers.
Re: Buff Twisted Resurrection
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Sunday, 15th June 2014, 11:53by cerebovssquire
khalil wrote:Why doesn't Kiku give recall? It's not necromancy, but it is a very nice spell for necromancers.
The same reasoning could be applied to many other spells (e.g. haste, which isn't only really good for the necromancer themself but also interacts with your minions like recall).
Re: Buff Twisted Resurrection
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Sunday, 15th June 2014, 15:39by khalil
cerebovssquire wrote:khalil wrote:Why doesn't Kiku give recall? It's not necromancy, but it is a very nice spell for necromancers.
The same reasoning could be applied to many other spells (e.g. haste, which isn't only really good for the necromancer themself but also interacts with your minions like recall).
Yes, but haste isn't required to make TW less annoying. Also, haste is good for everyone, whereas recall is just good for dudes with minions.
Re: Buff Twisted Resurrection
Posted:
Sunday, 15th June 2014, 16:07by Bim
Recall should be available to all summoners/necromancers really as it's only real use is to make things less tedious.
I'd agree that one strong abomination is probably better - I do think it's a great spell regardless of it's tediousness so would hate to see it disappear.