Discuss the design of this game's teleporter placement

[XuaXua]

F.U., Dungeon Creator RNG in 15.? trunk

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Glad I'm already with Yred; no cache for me, though.

[dpeg]

Aren't teleport traps limited use these days? That was discussed some time ago, and considered a good idea (to prevent luring abuse). If they are, it should be in the trap description (xv), for situations like this.

[duvessa]

No.

[dpeg]

Alright. A good time as any to bring this up again in ##crawl-dev.

[khalil]

But that'd mean you'd have to remove the d:1 Crystal Plate Armor on a teleport trap vault! People could just jump onto it fifty times and then have acquirement level goods at first level...
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DO IT!

[sgrunt]

This isn't supposed to happen anyway.

What version of the game were you playing?

[nagdon]

When a teleport trap blocks a corridor/some other, important thing now you have to use another route to the blocked area (or maybe use stasis/dig around it). If the teleport trap has lots of charges you can also enter it many times and walk back to it many times, and this would be an annoying but sometimes optimal solution. Even 2..4 charges could be annoying to discharge this way. So if they get finite charges, they should get only 1 or maybe 1d3.

There are also several vaults with items protected by teleport traps, I personally like these and would prefer keeping them. If teleport traps get finite number of charges, maybe keep a "permanent teleport trap" variant with the current behaviour for them?

[XuaXua]

This isn't supposed to happen anyway.

What version of the game were you playing?

Whatever webtiles online trunk was at akraisic at the time I posted this thread.

[XuaXua]

When a teleport trap blocks a corridor/some other, important thing now you have to use another route to the blocked area (or maybe use stasis/dig around it).

For this particular vault, stasis or blink was the only option, and not a good one. I hate that vault anyway; too much accidental stopping because autotravel saw something spawn outside the spiral.

[Quazifuji]

This isn't supposed to happen anyway.

What version of the game were you playing?

What about the case where the only accessible staircase down is blocked? In particular, I had this happen in Tomb (where I assume it's relatively likely to happen, because there is always only one staircase you can take between any given section of floors 1 and 2 an there are a lot of narrow hallways and traps). I guess you could just say that by Tomb you should reasonably have stasis or blink and even if you don't you can always use the trap to skip sections with random teleporting, so it's certainly not as big a deal as the temple, but I just thought I'd bring it up.

[XuaXua]

This isn't supposed to happen anyway.

What version of the game were you playing?

What about the case where the only accessible staircase down is blocked? In particular, I had this happen in Tomb

That is the deliberate design of that map. Other than alignment (I believe), Tomb is 100% hard-coded.

[khalil]

The trap locations aren't, but everything else is.

[duvessa]

Uhhh yes they are.

[khalil]

No. There's places where traps have a chance to be put, but the traps themselves are random.

[Igxfl]

I kind of like the idea of an occasionally inaccessible temple, since it forces you to choose from a limited subset of gods or wait to take one.

[XuaXua]

I kind of like the idea of an occasionally inaccessible temple, since it forces you to choose from a limited subset of gods or wait to take one.

As noted in the OP, I was already following a deity.

[damiac]

Well, the temple wasn't inaccessible, enough random teleports would have gotten him there. Therefore, it's bad design, in that it requires very boring play to get around.

[Igxfl]

Good point. Maybe it should be one of those special teleporters that have a fixed destination.

[PleasingFungus]

This vault is now gone, because it was terrible. Rest in peace.