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Although the central place for design discussion is ##crawl-dev on freenode, some may find it helpful to discuss requests and suggestions here first.
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snow wrote:I've tried the new god and I'm not really impressed.
I tend to compare all gods to Trog. Why should I pick this god over Trog?
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neil wrote:Demons haven't been immune to umbra since 0.11.
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Yermak wrote:I promise I'll make under 30k 15-rune speedrun when this god will be put into trunk along with his umbra aura.
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dpeg wrote:dialectric: That's a good observation! I'll mention it in ##crawl-dev.
Here's an idea of my own (back from my ancient stealth god proposal): Under D, spotting a monster gives you half its xp. That's a passive power you get immediately, i.e. at 0 piety. If you then kill the monster, only the second half is handed out, of course.
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XuaXua wrote:Should Dith allow holy weapons?
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Bim wrote:I like the no-fire conduct, it's actually quite a big one when you can't use anything at all firey, although I feel perhaps electrocution could go into that as well without too much bending.
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Lasty wrote:* You can easily get full piety for this god in Lair. Again, not bad, just pointing it out.
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duvessa wrote:I'd like to point out that this is also true of almost every other god in the game.Lasty wrote:* You can easily get full piety for this god in Lair. Again, not bad, just pointing it out.
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b4rR31_r0l1 wrote:I don't know really know about other goda, but Lair only is enough to get full piety (VpEn). Got to Lair 2 monsters after I started whorshipping Dith.
Also, what exactly does Umbra except for Stealth?
When does the shadow ally start appearing? Mine didn't come
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Arrhythmia wrote:When does the shadow ally start appearing? Mine didn't come
Four stars. It's not actually a dude who follows you around though, you get double the actions for some thing. Try casting confuse at a guy and you should notice you cast it twice.
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b4rR31_r0l1 wrote:
When does the shadow ally start appearing? Mine didn't come
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dpeg wrote:dialectric: That's a good observation! I'll mention it in ##crawl-dev.
Here's an idea of my own (back from my ancient stealth god proposal): Under D, spotting a monster gives you half its xp. That's a passive power you get immediately, i.e. at 0 piety. If you then kill the monster, only the second half is handed out, of course.
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siprus wrote:dpeg wrote:dialectric: That's a good observation! I'll mention it in ##crawl-dev.
Here's an idea of my own (back from my ancient stealth god proposal): Under D, spotting a monster gives you half its xp. That's a passive power you get immediately, i.e. at 0 piety. If you then kill the monster, only the second half is handed out, of course.
Sounds like a neat idea, but i wonder if this will spawn stealth speed runners who don't kill anything, just ninja runes, escape and so on.
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damiac wrote:If Dith stays as is, I don't know if I'd ever use any other god.
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Grandiloquent Gentleman wrote:An idea for nerving the piety gain rate: after say **** only give piety for killing things of fire or that use fire(i.e. the things that he currently appreciates killing). there are so many of those in late game you're never going to run low on piety anyway (aside perhaps Cocytus and Tartarus and the lair sub-branches)
Azrael wrote:Would a MiGl really want him over Okawaru
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Azrael wrote:As far as Dith being overpowered goes: is he really stronger than Makhleb? Would a Deep Elf Conjurer really want to use him over Vehumet? Would a MiGl really want him over Okawaru, or a Mummy Summoner over Sif Muna? Specialization is important in Crawl.
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Bim wrote:Azrael wrote:As far as Dith being overpowered goes: is he really stronger than Makhleb? Would a Deep Elf Conjurer really want to use him over Vehumet? Would a MiGl really want him over Okawaru, or a Mummy Summoner over Sif Muna? Specialization is important in Crawl.
You've picked very strong and specialised examples. Other than blasters and summoners, I think most other play-styles benefit too strongly from him in a way that many other gods don't. This is because all his powers are extremely desirable and there's no meaningful trade off for his abilities. You can get targeted blink without hardly any investment, a reasonable amount of stealth and a damage boost with an extremely easy conduct to stick too. Granted, Makhleb is very powerful, but demons have a chance of being hostile and his abilities use up a lot of MP, Oka doesn't have any direct abilities and all the other gods have more strict conducts and less straight forward methods.
I'm not saying that he should be nerfed into oblivion, just that a bit of downgrade on shadow action and possibly a stricter conduct would make him a more interesting choice, rather than a multi-purpose god for any situation.
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