Slime Squisher
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Make nightstalker mutation toggleable
It would be great if the player could decide whether to have that LOS reduction or no and turn it on/off via abilities menu.
Although the central place for design discussion is ##crawl-dev on freenode, some may find it helpful to discuss requests and suggestions here first.
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duvessa wrote:Nightstalker, spirit shield, demonic guardian, etc. are overall beneficial for all characters, at least in terms of survival.
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ololoev wrote:Nighstalker off: Oh I see the wolf's pider in LOS, come get some fireballs! Yeah, glad I can cast FB 3 times until it comes close!
ololoev wrote:duvessa wrote:Nightstalker, spirit shield, demonic guardian, etc. are overall beneficial for all characters, at least in terms of survival.
Nighstalker on: Oh I see the wolf's pider in LOS, let me fireball it! Oh no, it's already in melee range! I'm dying, help me!
Nighstalker off: Oh I see the wolf's pider in LOS, come get some fireballs! Yeah, glad I can cast FB 3 times until it comes close!
Spirit shield on: Omg brimestone fiend is in los! Too bad for him, I have bolt-o-cold! Oh no I lost almost all my mana because of torment! I can quaff mana pot, what the... (died from damnation)
Spirit shield off: Omg brimestone fiend is in los! Too bad for him, I have bolt-o-cold! You don't want to die from 1 bolt? Get glaciate on your head (butt)! Yeah, 50% HP pff, but I'm alive!
Demonic guardian on: Damn that reaper spawned and I can't cast Fire Strom upon all that crowd. Wait! I can! Screw that scythe-bearer!
Demonic guardian off:Noone spawned and I can cast Fire Strom upon all that crowd. Ha-ha!
Slime Squisher
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VeryAngryFelid wrote:So you basically get a free fireball in every fight and you will want to turn nighstalker on and off in every fight.
duvessa wrote:Fireball also works fine against adjacent monsters, so what's wrong with the spider reaching melee range?
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ololoev wrote:It is easily avoided by adding penalty/restrictions on turning ability on/off.VeryAngryFelid wrote:So you basically get a free fireball in every fight and you will want to turn nighstalker on and off in every fight.
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ololoev wrote:But I still cannot agree with darknes/reduced LOS being beneficaial for every build and situation.
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bel wrote:You have misunderstood the position. The claim is that reduced LOS of nightstalker is overall beneficial for all builds. It may not be beneficial in every situation.
The point of Ds mutations is (ideally) not to provide pure buffs, but something which is overall beneficial and ideally fun. Making nightstalker toggleable would go against this aim.
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ololoev wrote:The point is that more or less, all Ds mutations are beneficial, not negative.
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ololoev wrote:Spirit shield on: Omg brimestone fiend is in los! Too bad for him, I have bolt-o-cold! Oh no I lost almost all my mana because of torment! I can quaff mana pot, what the... (died from damnation)
Spirit shield off: Omg brimestone fiend is in los! Too bad for him, I have bolt-o-cold! You don't want to die from 1 bolt? Get glaciate on your head (butt)! Yeah, 50% HP pff, but I'm alive!
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Rast wrote:The current spirit shield+torment interaction is unfair.
But I don't know of a fix which is also fair.
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duvessa wrote:Also, get rid of the special case for poison damage.
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Siegurt wrote:Rast wrote:The current spirit shield+torment interaction is unfair.
But I don't know of a fix which is also fair.
How about 'Spirit shield doesn't protect you from torment at all'
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