auto_butcher when hungry or below

[xbon]

Was thinking it'd be nice if you could configure auto butcher to work when you're hungry or less, since butchering early game (if you have no magical spells) takes time and if you're already full you won't need any meat if you're not carnivorous{maybe exclude carnivorous, vampires and gourmand for this].

[jwoodward48ss]

...what? Why would you want this? It takes three turns. That's far less time than it takes to walk back to the corpse when you're hungry.

[johlstei]

...what? Why would you want this? It takes three turns. That's far less time than it takes to walk back to the corpse when you're hungry.

Because there's no need to butcher most corpses, you can't eat them. It takes 3 turns times the number of wasted corpses vs precisely one corpse maybe if its still in existence when you become hungry. It's a big waste of piety to butcher every corpse.

[xbon]

...what? Why would you want this? It takes three turns. That's far less time than it takes to walk back to the corpse when you're hungry.

Because there's no need to butcher most corpses, you can't eat them. It takes 3 turns times the number of wasted corpses vs precisely one corpse maybe if its still in existence when you become hungry. It's a big waste of piety to butcher every corpse.

this precisely, 3 turns adds up if you're butchering *every* single corpse, for example, you take out a horde of orcs, now autobutcher will butcher all their corpses which could be upwards of 21+ turns, and this happens often enough, so it just makes you hungry faster but the chances are if you already ate recently all that meat is gonna expire before you're hungry again so it's just wasted turns.

[Midn8]

I think it is one of those things where you use it where it is, or if you want to do it picture-perfect, then you do it yourself. No need to add an option for something about 5% of players would use when players who actually care about it would do it manually.

[xbon]

I think it is one of those things where you use it where it is, or if you want to do it picture-perfect, then you do it yourself. No need to add an option for something about 5% of players would use when players who actually care about it would do it manually.

well; that's why it's a discussion, in its current form the only use I see for it is for carnivorous races, or if you get gourmand ammy.

[johlstei]

I still use it because I'd rather lose piety than hit c. Just butchering while hungry isn't "picture perfect" - it's just, in my opinion, a slightly better heuristic than what's already there. (The real optimal would be butchering precisely so that I'll become hungry just before the chunks go bad.)

[schoen]

Another option is to only butcher when you have 0 chunks in your inventory. You won't be caught without food, and you won't be spending hundreds of turns unnecessarily butchering additional food either.

[jwoodward48ss]

Hundreds of turns? What, did you just kill 66 corpse-dropping monsters? In that case, just disable autopickup until you've left the region. Otherwise you'll spend sixty-six turns looking at all their equipment! The horror! And with only one key to mash over and over until you're out of the room! THE HORROR!

[sooheon]

Don't see why you would oppose a clear improvement. Not auto butchering when you have over n chunks in inventory would be an improvement in every way. If you've made a kill hole, you can look at the stack of equipment in 2~3 turns, there's no need to also be sitting there putting every carcass through a meat grinder. It's like preferring that auto travel not needlessly backtrack or wait in place at random intervals.

[jwoodward48ss]

It usually doesn't matter that much. It's not a big deal.

[duvessa]

It usually doesn't matter that much. It's not a big deal.

Then why did you make the two most histrionic posts in the thread?

[johlstei]

Hundreds of turns? What, did you just kill 66 corpse-dropping monsters? In that case, just disable autopickup until you've left the region. Otherwise you'll spend sixty-six turns looking at all their equipment! The horror! And with only one key to mash over and over until you're out of the room! THE HORROR!

Yes, in fact I often kill way more than 66 corpse dropping monsters over the course of a game of crawl.

[jwoodward48ss]

Hundreds of turns? What, did you just kill 66 corpse-dropping monsters? In that case, just disable autopickup until you've left the region. Otherwise you'll spend sixty-six turns looking at all their equipment! The horror! And with only one key to mash over and over until you're out of the room! THE HORROR!

Yes, in fact I often kill way more than 66 corpse dropping monsters over the course of a game of crawl.

Not all at once, obviously.

[jwoodward48ss]

It usually doesn't matter that much. It's not a big deal.

Then why did you make the two most histrionic posts in the thread?

I see one sarcastic and melodramatic post intended to mock my enemies, crush their spirits, and bind their souls to a neverending hell of torment and labour for my benefit. Not two.

oops

[johlstei]

Not all at once, obviously.

Right but wasting hundreds or even thousands of turns is a problem even when it's over the course of a game and (presumably) it's easily fixed with a simple heuristic change.

[Midn8]

Right but wasting hundreds or even thousands of turns is a problem even when it's over the course of a game and (presumably) it's easily fixed with a simple heuristic change.

Given that most people who want to use this option probably already have games that take 50k+ turns, in which case the extra time probably isn't relevant. And the people who care about turncount would just turn this off completely.

Or if you care about butchering that much, feel free to play hellcrawl, where they have removed food.

[johlstei]

Right but wasting hundreds or even thousands of turns is a problem even when it's over the course of a game and (presumably) it's easily fixed with a simple heuristic change.

Given that most people who want to use this option probably already have games that take 50k+ turns, in which case the extra time probably isn't relevant. And the people who care about turncount would just turn this off completely.

Or if you care about butchering that much, feel free to play hellcrawl, where they have removed food.

Everyone cares about turncount whether they know it or not because, for many gods, piety decays with turns. I don't care about l33t sp33drunz, I just want to use trog's hand a few more times. That's not worth turning off autobutcher (or using manual exploration, etc) but it would still be a nice improvement.

[Siegurt]

Right but wasting hundreds or even thousands of turns is a problem even when it's over the course of a game and (presumably) it's easily fixed with a simple heuristic change.

Given that most people who want to use this option probably already have games that take 50k+ turns, in which case the extra time probably isn't relevant. And the people who care about turncount would just turn this off completely.

Or if you care about butchering that much, feel free to play hellcrawl, where they have removed food.

Everyone cares about turncount whether they know it or not because, for many gods, piety decays with turns. I don't care about l33t sp33drunz, I just want to use trog's hand a few more times. That's not worth turning off autobutcher (or using manual exploration, etc) but it would still be a nice improvement.

Just how many turns do you think are wasted because of autobutcher?

I mean i would estimate at max it is like 2000 turns a game, which might be enough piety for like 1 extra trogs hand, someone who isnt working right now feel free to actually do the math for me and correct me if i am wrong, but it sounds like maybe you are overestimating the number of butcherable corpses, or the amount of piety lost per turn.