What to do next.

Tuesday, 3rd September 2013, 20:50 by siprus

I have been having pretty good game and items.
Now i'm wondering where i should go next :/

I have cleared vault to 4, swamp to 4, i have got snake rune, I have went down to crypt 5 but escaped because of flying toe.
I have cleared whole dungeon (and lair of course). Should i go to abyss to get some xp while waiting for abyssal rune. Or is 27 headed hydra less risky. Or maybe vault.

I also have found tresure trove which asks for 13 healing potions i have 12 should i use them if i find one more. My friend told me to wait till i find about 16 or 18, so i have few save potions :/ Oh well had to use few to survive that silencing angel. Oh well I'll never fight that guy again. Unless there is really cheap tactic that allows him to be killed with minimal risk.

I'm i'd also happy to hear any recommendations for skill distribution.

Also should my current weapon is very good? correct or should I rebrand it? (or at which point i should rebrand.)

I also have shield of positive energy at my stash which I can use.

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Tuesday, 3rd September 2013, 22:08 by and into

Yeah, I'd say you've had some good luck with equipment drops...

Forget about the shield of positive resistance, for one thing, what you are wearing right now is effectively the best shield in the game, and life protection is generally less useful than fire and cold. You already have rN++ naturally.

Mennas is terrible news for all characters, but especially for yours. Avoid him.

Your weapon is very good. +15 slaying on a fast, well-enchanted weapon of electrocution that already has decent base damage? I think you are set in that department. This is actually a good example of when going shield and 1h weapon for melee makes a lot of sense, both due to the weapon you have available and (again) basically the best shield you are ever going to see.

What other body armor options do you have? You could use more AC. Ice dragon armor would serve you much better! You have MR out the wazoo already, and actually have rF++++, meaning one of your rF+ ticks is wasted, so IDA will just give you rC++ and 3 more base AC (multiplied by armor skill), and can be enchanted all the way up to +9. (And no, you don't need a +4 accuracy bonus from your randart armor.) Enchant up an ice dragon hide and you'll end up with more AC than now, and room to grow as you add more enchant scrolls onto it (up to +9). If a good plate mail is available, that's an option, but that might require more training in armor and spell schools to still cast your stuff. I'd go with IDA for this character, but I don't know what else is available to you.

Otherwise, a bit more fighting wouldn't go awry. If Revivification is available, training up necromancy for that wouldn't be a bad long-term goal.

Wait until you have a few extra pots before you trade a bunch of them to the trove, I think that's sound advice. The trove isn't going anywhere and it sounds like you might want to dip into extended with this guy. (Great mutations for it, and excellent equipment.) No need to rush.

In terms of where to go... Yeah, you can handle Swamp, just be careful. Ditto for Abyss, I think the consensus is that it is best to hang around Abyss 3 for the rune to generate. Good luck!

Tuesday, 3rd September 2013, 22:44 by siprus

I'd love to wear ice dragon, but none has dropped this game. Armor is the only department i have had weak drops this game :/. Anyway I'm using my current armor causes it's combination of acceptable AC, low evasion penalty and resistances i need, without need waste scrolls of enchant armor to sub par armor. Ah well it might be that ice dragon armor never drops this game. I might consider updating for splint mail, but i think my strongest spells would drop below 30% success chance, which would hurt me a lot. Anyway I don't think i have chance to gain good resistance from armor :/ i have currently found so I might as well go for AC/EV-penalty ratio. In which case Swamp dragon armor might be a way to go. But it would be wasted poison resistance so I'm not too keen on enchanting it heavily.

Necromancy sounds cool, And i indeed have lot's of good necrobooks i think. (including necronomicon) My orginal plan was to get armor and dodge to 22 and maybe fighting to 18 and then consider other skills. But necromancy does sound cool. I'll get my armor to 20 and dodge to 20 anyway though.... That energizes from suffering boost dodge so damn much

(but also necromancy if I decide to get it)

On weapon department i also have option for Demon whip of fire with less good enchantments +4, +5 i'm considering starting to save enchant weapons scrolls for it. I think flame enchantment is better for tomb than electrocution. + I already have very good slaying on this weapon. At some point i probably have to sustain abilities instead of 0, +7 slaying :/ (in hell and tomb at least) Well that is future problem.

Btw does crawl keep emergency safe file when you play? My computer has shut few times on it own in past days and i fear for this game.

Edit: Btw what resistances and immunities are most important to abyss. I guess I should take ring of regen and sustain abilities at least with me. What about warding amulet? And what else would be important? I guess I might later get full list of my useful or at least might be useful items.

Tuesday, 3rd September 2013, 23:09 by dirtywick

Well you'll find quite a few dragons of all types in Zot. For regen ring you have the spell so you can just use that. Hell, Pan, and Abyss can make things difficult to rest at times and you can keep it as a constant buff in those areas so you don't need to stop. And warding is bad, keep the rMut randart. I would consider clearing the vestibule, it will give you an idea if you can handle some of the other areas in extended and it's easy to cBlink to one of it's many exits if things go badly, just don't if there is a trampler next to it. Then I'd stash some stuff there, even with cons you will lose some consumables.

Tuesday, 3rd September 2013, 23:17 by siprus

To get to zot i need 1 more rune. Abyss? or Vault?

Tuesday, 3rd September 2013, 23:58 by siprus

Got vault rune and got Ice dragon armor from realms of Zot

I have 6 enchant armor scrolls. Should i just spam them or save few potential for pearl armor (for "death hell) I have also found storm dragon armor, but I think it might be too heavy for my spell casting :/ + i think resist rElec to maxed rC++ is inferior to late game char, but I might be wrong on that on (since I haven't got to late game that often). Ah well should probably enchant at least one

i'm starting to get so exited about this game that even smallest of the decisions are starting to cripple me XD I'm all the time thinking, maybe I should do this, maybe not, better just ask form so I don't screw up XD

Ah and also i have 15 heal wounds. Few more or towards the treasure trove.

i'm not sure if i can upgrade any slot in my inventory. Worse slaying ring might be good idea to switch for Sustanin abilities randart preferably with MR, WZ or slaying. maybe life protection +1

Anyway I guess I have everything i need for abyss. Or would some of the hell branches and maybe crypt end be easier? Maybe ziggaraut, but again so few item which actually upgrade my stuff :/

Wednesday, 4th September 2013, 00:22 by Mankeli

siprus wrote:Anyway I guess I have everything i need for abyss. Or would some of the hell branches and maybe crypt end be easier? Maybe ziggaraut, but again so few item which actually upgrade my stuff :/

Do crypt first. If you are gunning for a 15-runer then probably do Slime and then Abyss (doesn' really matter which is first). Get the rune in Abyss:3. The hells are almost always the last runes to get because they are generally the most difficult ones. Or then you could just go and win. I don't usually want to go into extented without a holy/antimagic weapon or unarmed mastery although you do have some really nice slaying.

Just do not go into hells yet if you have just done zot. And don't wear Storm dragon armour.

Wednesday, 4th September 2013, 01:19 by siprus

Crypt and slime done. For my supprise I didn't even get lot of bad mutations. Found interesting -4 Gloves +3 str +3 int +5dam And +1Gloves rN+ MR -3 Acc. I think ill go with life protection gloves for now (I also have gloves of strenght) Also found new rMut amulet but i don't think i'll be using it.

Anyway here is the dump with eveyry evey remotely possible item. I'm in process of considering which items ill be taking for me to carry and which i'll just leave and which I'll be wearing. On most slots what i have on is what i'm gonna use, except my slaying ring of +7. (i think ill go with that +5 randart or sustain abilities)

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btw, why dump file says my helmet and gloves insulate me from electricity?

Oh and btw what necromancy spells should I get? Any thing that is paticulary useful in hells, pandnium or tomb?

Edit. Ahh go abyssal rune. Got some berserkmutation running around abyss :/ Wonder if i should Chuck a potion of cure mutation i have only 2 left in game (1 is in shop other in my stash) I also found acquirement.... Wonder what to get with it. I guess wands are only things that can be useful (best would probably be getting wand of healing) So pandemonium next?

Thursday, 5th September 2013, 00:06 by dirtywick

For acquirement only thing you need is a wand of healing. You have good defenses and all the major resists, plus the torment mutation. But, I think you're also going to want to be able to cast cTele before going to either pan or hells. The uniques in pan and hells may be too difficult for a melee character without a blessed weapon and cTele will get you far away from them. In pan and after getting the rune in hells you can cTele so I'd recommend having that escape option. Matter of fact even in hells the less you're walking around the better, and if you stumble into holy pan, yeah I'd like to have that there too.

Thursday, 5th September 2013, 08:19 by siprus

I have already stumpled upon holy pan. I found wand of healing stumbling around in pandemonium. My senior at university adviced me to acquire jewelry since my Sustain abilities ring could be bit better. Which I did. I have been stumbling around pantheon for a while I have found 2 runes from there. I fear i have missed some pandemonium rune, but as trying to leave pandemonium level with a rune should trigger a warning i think it has not been happened (despite my irrational fear). I have learned Cteleport and Dispel + control undead.

One possibility I was told by other my senior was to learn fire storm spell. Which made me think that I could actually do it if i wish. Or i could learn fire cloud spell. (To nuke down mummies. Another possibility is just focus on maxing martial skills and getting more useful god than okawaru. (mahkleb was recommended)

I guess i just need to max armor before I can switch to mahkleb.

Btw, is 43 max amount of armor and EV?

Thursday, 5th September 2013, 10:51 by siprus

I've got 14 runes now. Only tomb and zot remaining. 2 potion of cure mutation one in shop one in stash. Should i change to flame branded whip? or stick with my current? 8, 9 Whip of electrocution.

Maybe I should go zag around some ziggaraut just for fun.

OK tomb tourment is brutal.

Grand mommies or guardian won't be bothering me anymore. Got their rune. Next down the zot.

Friday, 6th September 2013, 06:33 by and into

Great job! Just don't get cocky. Zot 5 is usually the hardest level, even in a 15-rune game. Limit the amount of enemies on screen at any given time, and work your way to the orb slowly.

Bit late, but fire storm is really not necessary here, it would almost be a jokey sort of flourish to get it on this character. At that point, you might as well max out some weird skill for the funny title. Given all the crazy good stuff you've got, and that apparently you also have all the good wands, jewelry was probably the right acquirement choice.

43 might be the max armor you can get with all the stuff you have on currently. That's a very respectable number, especially for a hybrid fighter-caster as versatile as your character. Backed up with 30+ EV and maxed out resistances, that's *plenty* good. Someone in plate or PDA can go a BIT higher, and someone in GDA or crystal plate mail can go significantly higher than 43 AC, but in the latter cases you would have a harder time casting high level spells. (It is possible, sure, but generally requires this or that crazy combination of equipment and diety, and it is kind of overkill anyway.)

Monday, 9th September 2013, 16:12 by siprus

Buffed up my evasion was at least 43.

Getting marked in zot 5 Forced me to make hasty retreat, using semi controlled blink. But Killed that Tiamat stair dancing. Rest was easy.

Climbing through stairs near Mennas was scary, but luckily I was 1 square away from silence giving me time to cast swiftness, could have hasted or teleported with wand anyway.. While escaping through dungeon, made few accidental casts of death door XD. I also had to dig around stack of 2 pandemonium lords which spawned close together.

Monday, 9th September 2013, 20:34 by le_nerd

Yeah, you want to put spells of the category "wrong cast can kill me" on a Capital Letter, so as not to press them accidentally. Oh, you cast Invisibility again on top of that lovely yellow glow? Here, have some mutations that go well with it!
Stuff I do require a prompt/capital letter include but are not limited to:

?fog
!berserk
Silence
Invisibility
Death Door
Bjorgnorjs Revivication

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