What would you buy?

Monday, 12th August 2013, 03:11 by scott9027

I'm done with Orc:4, and I only have enough money to buy one of these things. I have only one enchant armor scroll in my stash so far.

Ring of Protection +6 (Leaving enough money to grab an amulet of conservation as well)
OR
Pearl Dragon Armor

Wearing a +0 Orcish Plate now, no runed plate in Orc unfortunately. So which would you buy, or neither? Dump below.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.13-a0-2590-g8c14591 (tiles) character file. Scott the Severer (Hill Orc Berserker) Turns: 31379, Time: 01:43:51 HP 138/138 AC 25 Str 22 XL: 15 Next: 26% MP 14/14 EV 7 Int 6 (7) God: Trog [******] Gold 1967 SH 0 Dex 15 Spells: 0 memorised, 14 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : . f - +3,+1 executioner's axe (vamp) Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . i - +0 orc plate armour Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . (no shield) Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : . y - +0 crested helmet Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . J - +2 dwarf cloak Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (no gloves) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . u - +0 pair of elf boots Res.Rott. : . Flight : . N - amulet of the gourmand Gourmand : + q - ring of poison resistance D - +0,+7 ring of slaying @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: deterioration 1, herbivore 1, saprovore 1, slow metabolism 1 a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion You are on level 4 of the Orcish Mines. You worship Trog. Trog is exalted by your worship. You are completely stuffed. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 25 of its levels. You have also visited: Labyrinth. You have collected 1947 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons a - a +2,+5 battleaxe of chopping d - a +0,+6 dwarven anti-magic battleaxe f - a +3,+1 vampiric executioner's axe (weapon) A - a +0,+7 anti-magic battleaxe W - a +2,+6 orcish executioner's axe of electrocution Armour i - a +0 orcish plate armour (worn) u - a +0 pair of elven boots (worn) y - a +0 crested helmet (worn) J - a +2 dwarven cloak (worn) Magical devices h - a glass wand Comestibles c - 5 meat rations k - a rotting chunk of orc flesh Scrolls g - a scroll of identify j - 6 scrolls of remove curse s - 2 scrolls of teleportation t - 2 scrolls of blinking Jewellery b - the amulet "Xeicu" {Clar Int+2} (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) [amulet of clarity] It affects your intelligence (+2). e - an uncursed ring of protection from fire q - a ring of poison resistance (right hand) D - a +0,+7 ring of slaying (left hand) N - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck) Potions l - 3 potions of heal wounds n - 3 murky green potions {tried by monster} r - a potion of agility x - 2 potions of resistance Skills: + Level 16.8 Fighting - Level 20.2 Axes + Level 15.5 Armour - Level 1.5 Dodging You have 14 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (13/27) Temple (0/1) D:6 Orc (4/4) D:11 Elf (0/3) Orc:3 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (0/5) Lair:4 Snake (0/5) Lair:4 Slime (0/6) Lair:8 Altars: Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Xom Yredelemnul Zin Beogh Shops: D:6: + D:7: * Orc:2: / Orc:4: *%=? Annotations Lair:4 exclusion: oklob plant Lair:6 exclusion: oklob plant Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can tolerate rotten meat. Your body is slowly deteriorating. You digest meat inefficiently. You have a slow metabolism. Message History an orcish robe; an orcish dagger; an orcish robe; an orcish dagger; an orcish chain mail You feel yourself speed up. Things that are here: an orcish glaive; an orcish hand axe; an orcish chain mail Things that are here: an orcish bardiche; an orcish plate armour You feel less exhausted. There is an entrance to Ybbijura's Food Boutique here. There is an entrance to Khiptaqean's Magic Scroll Boutique here. There is an entrance to Piwutt's Jewellery Shoppe here. There is an entrance to Qogiek's General Store here. There is an entrance to Piwutt's Jewellery Shoppe here. Search for what [Enter for "axe", or ? for help]? plate Search for what [Enter for "plate", or ? for help]? runed plate Can't find anything matching that. You start resting. You smell something rotten. (slot k) You start resting. HP restored. 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Grand Total: 991 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Scott, the Hill Orc Berserker, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/0 237 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 26/26 MP: 1/1 255 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Axes 745 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 26/33 MP: 2/2 820 | D:2 | Acquired Trog's second power 1421 | D:2 | Noticed Sigmund 1428 | D:2 | Reached skill level 6 in Axes 1437 | D:2 | Killed Sigmund 1437 | D:2 | Reached skill level 7 in Axes 1437 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 39/39 MP: 3/3 1437 | D:2 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 46/46 MP: 4/4 1561 | D:3 | Noticed Jessica 1588 | D:3 | Killed Jessica 1959 | D:3 | Noticed Ijyb 1961 | D:3 | Noticed Terence 1973 | D:3 | Killed Ijyb 1973 | D:3 | Reached skill level 8 in Axes 1996 | D:3 | Killed Terence 2653 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 42/52 MP: 5/5 2776 | D:4 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 2909 | D:4 | Reached skill level 9 in Axes 3294 | D:4 | Noticed a phantom 3336 | D:4 | Killed a phantom 3691 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3735 | D:5 | Noticed Eustachio 3767 | D:5 | Killed Eustachio 3767 | D:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Axes 3767 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 59/59 MP: 6/6 4007 | D:5 | Reached skill level 11 in Axes 4054 | D:5 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 4063 | D:5 | Paralysed by Crazy Yiuf for 2 turns 4066 | D:5 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 4215 | D:5 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 4216 | D:5 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 4374 | D:5 | Acquired Trog's third power 4451 | D:5 | Noticed Blork the orc 4455 | D:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 4460 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 24/66 MP: 7/7 4465 | D:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 4475 | D:5 | Killed Blork the orc 4475 | D:5 | Reached skill level 12 in Axes 5149 | D:6 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 5193 | D:6 | Reached skill level 13 in Axes 5291 | D:6 | Found Huhat's Book Shoppe. 5425 | D:6 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 5659 | D:6 | Reached skill level 14 in Axes 5671 | D:6 | HP: 4/99 [ogre/great mace (9)] 5673 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 4/72 MP: 8/8 6369 | D:6 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 6487 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 6569 | D:7 | Reached skill level 15 in Axes 6744 | D:7 | Found Sempiyma's Assorted Antiques. 7068 | D:7 | Reached skill level 16 in Axes 7723 | D:8 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 7887 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 71/79 MP: 9/9 7959 | D:8 | Reached skill level 17 in Axes 8869 | D:8 | Received a gift from Trog 8870 | D:8 | Got a crystal battleaxe {god gift} 8872 | D:8 | Identified the battleaxe of Fatigue {god gift, chop, MR++} (Trog gifted it to you on level 8 of the Dungeon) 9180 | D:8 | Reached skill level 18 in Axes 10663 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 10712 | D:8 | Noticed Duvessa 10713 | D:8 | Noticed Dowan 10721 | D:8 | Killed Duvessa 10731 | D:8 | Killed Dowan 10876 | D:9 | Reached skill level 19 in Axes 11222 | D:9 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 11358 | D:9 | Noticed Scott's ghost (experienced HOFi) 11388 | D:9 | Killed Scott's ghost 11388 | D:9 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 25/84 MP: 10/10 11862 | D:9 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 12264 | D:9 | Noticed a blizzard demon 12265 | D:9 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 12266 | D:9 | Noticed an angel 12504 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 12521 | D:9 | Received a gift from Trog 12723 | D:10 | Noticed Scott's ghost (experienced TrMo) 12727 | D:10 | Reached skill level 20 in Axes 12736 | D:10 | Killed Scott's ghost 12953 | D:10 | Killed an unseen horror 13431 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 13849 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 13855 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 13855 | D:11 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 13961 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 14609 | D:11 | Received a gift from Trog 14641 | D:11 | Noticed Maurice 14652 | D:11 | Killed Maurice 15251 | D:12 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 71/99 MP: 3/11 15416 | D:12 | Noticed a hill giant 15429 | D:12 | Killed a hill giant 15996 | D:12 | Noticed a hill giant 16004 | D:12 | Killed a hill giant 16605 | D:13 | Noticed a rakshasa 16628 | D:13 | Killed a rakshasa 16742 | D:13 | Received a gift from Trog 17055 | D:13 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 17376 | D:13 | Reached skill level 10 in Armour 18121 | D:13 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 18130 | D:13 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 18131 | D:13 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 18131 | D:13 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 18407 | D:13 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 77/112 MP: 4/12 18581 | D:13 | Noticed a dragon 18596 | D:13 | Killed a dragon 18757 | D:13 | Received a gift from Trog 19200 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 19215 | Lair:1 | Gained mutation: You have a slow metabolism. [potion of mutation] 19215 | Lair:1 | Gained mutation: Your body is slowly deteriorating. [potion of mutation] 19215 | Lair:1 | Gained mutation: You digest meat inefficiently. [potion of mutation] 19217 | Lair:1 | Paralysed by a potion of paralysis for 3 turns 20140 | Lair:2 | Got a brightly glowing ivory amulet 20170 | Lair:2 | Identified the amulet "Xeicu" {Clar Int+2} (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) 21417 | Lair:3 | Received a gift from Trog 22129 | Lair:4 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 22259 | Lair:4 | Noticed Fannar 22279 | Lair:4 | Killed Fannar 22657 | Lair:4 | Noticed Nergalle 22667 | Lair:4 | Killed Nergalle 22759 | Lair:4 | Received a gift from Trog 22947 | Lair:4 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 23752 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 120/125 MP: 4/13 23951 | Lair:5 | Received a gift from Trog 24335 | Lair:6 | Found a labyrinth entrance. 24344 | Lab | Entered a labyrinth 25573 | Lair:6 | Noticed Rupert 25586 | Lair:6 | Killed Rupert 25767 | Lair:6 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 26622 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting 26648 | Lair:7 | Received a gift from Trog 26810 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 26880 | Lair:8 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 28256 | Lair:8 | Identified a +6 rod of striking (7/7) (You found it in a labyrinth) 28257 | Lair:8 | Identified a cursed +3 rod of fiery destruction (10/10) (You found it in a labyrinth) 28726 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 28769 | Orc:1 | Received a gift from Trog 28826 | Orc:1 | Reached skill level 15 in Armour 29024 | Orc:2 | Found Pobeab's Magical Wand Boutique. 29111 | Orc:2 | Received a gift from Trog 29208 | Orc:2 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 29362 | Orc:1 | Noticed Edmund 29366 | Orc:2 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 126/137 MP: 14/14 29373 | Orc:2 | Killed Edmund 29633 | Orc:3 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 29658 | Orc:3 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 29899 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 30099 | Orc:4 | Received a gift from Trog 30740 | Orc:4 | Received a gift from Trog 31267 | Orc:4 | Found Ybbijura's Food Boutique. 31275 | Orc:4 | Found Qogiek's General Store. 31283 | Orc:4 | Found Piwutt's Jewellery Shoppe. 31283 | Orc:4 | Found Khiptaqean's Magic Scroll Boutique. Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Hand axe | 104 | 257 | 424 | 576 | || 1361 War axe | | | 166 | | || 166 Battleaxe | | | | 221 | 640 || 861 Executioner's axe | | | | 314 | 452 || 766 Throw: Javelin | | | 6 | 7 | || 13 Invok: Berserk | 1 | | 2 | 4 | 10 || 17 Brothers in Arms | | | | 1 | || 1 Burn Spellbooks | | | | | 1 || 1 Evoke: Wand | | | | 5 | 2 || 7 Use: Scroll | | 7 | 2 | 6 | 21 || 36 Potion | | | | | 9 || 9 Stab: Invisible | | | | | 1 || 1

Monday, 12th August 2013, 03:56 by Tristian

Up to you on the ring of protection, but personally I would scoop up the amulet of conservation since those are sometimes almost impossible to find.
You can always travel back to the shop to pick up the PDA if you really want it.

Monday, 12th August 2013, 06:23 by Sar

Not what you are asking, but I would consider getting that great weapon you have to min delay (it's 26 Axes for an executioner's axe) before getting more Armour and Fighting.

Monday, 12th August 2013, 06:25 by daggaz

ring and amulet. you will end up with higher ac for the moment than if you switch out to the pearl armor, plus you will likely run into a runed plate eventually.

Monday, 12th August 2013, 06:28 by bobross419

I'd see what Plate Armor was dropped by the Orcs before pulling the trigger on a PDA... Especially with Trog. 3 EVP is the bee's knees for high AC if you want to cast, but you can probably find a better brand than rN+ just floating around on some Plate.

Monday, 12th August 2013, 07:17 by Abominae

I would take the PDA. You have been pumping dexterity, and you're hitting the point where you're going to want to invest in dodging soon enough. PDA is much better than plate armour for an AC + EV strategy.

Also, you're going to find enough gold for the ring and amulet eventually. They will still be there if you haven't found any better options, but it is going to be hard to outclass PDA.

Monday, 12th August 2013, 09:27 by Mankeli

Abominae wrote:I would take the PDA. You have been pumping dexterity, and you're hitting the point where you're going to want to invest in dodging soon enough. PDA is much better than plate armour for an AC + EV strategy.

Also, you're going to find enough gold for the ring and amulet eventually. They will still be there if you haven't found any better options, but it is going to be hard to outclass PDA.

You are going to find enough gold for the PDA eventually (if he even wants it). I don't think the "soon enough" is that soon at all, because the next thing on this character that I would do before even thinking anything dodging related, is to get axes to min delay for that sweet sweet min delay vampiric exec axe swinging. He still hast 5,8 of pretty expensive skill levels left to go. Plate armour with fire resistance (assuming he finds one) may very well be better for this character anyways!

@ OP. Look at it this way: You have a pretty useless amulet and only situationally useful ring (poison res). To replace them, you can buy a very good ring and a decent amulet (on amulet standards, amulets are not very good except faith on many characters). So I would go for the jewellery. You are not casting spells with Trog which greatly diminishes the usefulness of PDA's better encumbarance rating and the resistance is not good compared to fire res, for example.

Monday, 12th August 2013, 11:35 by Galefury

PDA is good even with Trog, because not getting hit is really nice. But if you don't have a lot of enchant scrolls there's not much reason to get it right now. If the PDA is enchanted, buy it, if it's not just get the jewelry and probably buy the PDA later.

Monday, 12th August 2013, 12:01 by Sandman25

I would buy amulet of conservation. It will save many valuable items in the long run and it's much easier to play when you know you cannot die because of scroll of blinking in inventory.

Monday, 12th August 2013, 12:15 by Mankeli

Galefury wrote:PDA is good even with Trog, because not getting hit is really nice. But if you don't have a lot of enchant scrolls there's not much reason to get it right now. If the PDA is enchanted, buy it, if it's not just get the jewelry and probably buy the PDA later.

I don't think anyone said that PDA wasn't good. However, the difference in EV would be 1-5 depending on future skill training and future attribute (st vs dex) raises (2 for the current situation if I my quick check holds up). So I'm not sure I would always choose the PDA over (the now hypothetical) plate armour of fire res in circumstances like this. Sure you can swap rings but that +6 protection and +7 slaying would also help against that fire giant...

(BTW I assumed on my previous post that the PDA unchanted or the enchantment level is not known)

Monday, 12th August 2013, 12:34 by daggaz

The only bad thing about a ring of slaying +7dam and a ring of protection +6ac is that he isn't an octopode.

Monday, 12th August 2013, 12:40 by Sandman25

I think slaying is overestimated for this character. He uses Executioner's Axe and would benefit more from a ring of rF+/rC+.
Perhaps I would use +7,0 ring of slaying instead of current 0, +7

Monday, 12th August 2013, 13:53 by mikee

I would without question buy the ac ring and the amulet.

Although it is rare, the PDA does exactly what it says it does when you examine it. To me, that is not really better than a +1 or +2 orcish plate on this character right now. And the ring alone is like you suddenly have +6 orcish plate.

Monday, 12th August 2013, 14:02 by Lasty

Definitely the ring, for all the reasons that have been given. The PDA gives you very little up-front benefit, and by the time it might pay off to switch you'll have enough gold to get it.

Tuesday, 13th August 2013, 01:36 by scott9027

Thanks for the help, I bought the ring and amulet. Now I'm considerably farther and have more than enough money to buy the PDA. Unfortunately I've only got about 5 enchant armor scrolls. I've also got a Gold Dragon hide now, and am wearing a +9 artefact plate armor in the mean time while I collect scrolls. Obviously I may end up staying in the artefact plate for the remainder, but if I get some more scrolls... what would the ideal armor be? GDA on resistances alone?

Tuesday, 13th August 2013, 02:23 by Amnesiac

I think if you are short on resistances, GDA is good, because you don't cast spells. If you plan to switch to another god and do pan, hells and such, then PDA could be better, definitely better than GDA and it's terrible encumberance rating. Also 5 scrolls is something already, +5 prevents corrosion and enchantment doesn't get modified my the armour skill, IIRC.

Tuesday, 13th August 2013, 09:16 by Sandman25

Don't forget you can enchant your other armour. It's unlikely you have all randarts or +2 items in cloak/boots/gloves/head slots

Wednesday, 14th August 2013, 19:53 by dck

This might be late but GDA is terrible and you likely have any source of rC+ you can just swap on in case of need so resistances are definitely not a problem, so get and enchant the PDA.

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