When to take on OKA Wrath?

[Maverick535]

I've got a MiFi of Oka that I need to transition to TSO to take on extended and I'm trying to figure out when to do that. I have the Silver, Gossamer, and Barnacled runes, but should I complete Abyss and Slime while still under Oka? I've left crypt for TSO piety (version 11.2)

Secondly, just a question about waiting out Oka wrath: I have boots of levitation, so I can just perma-levitate over deep water or lava, but I thought I remembered reading that it has to be lava. Can some monsters still reach me while over deep water? If not, waiting things out in a corner of Shoals seems as easy as anything.

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.11.2 (tiles) character file.

Rawhide XI the Conqueror (Minotaur Fighter)        Turns: 97771, Time: 11:47:40

HP 245/245 (248) AC 57     Str 27      XL: 24   Next: 80%
MP  29/29        EV 10     Int  9      God: Okawaru [******]
Gold 4472        SH 61     Dex 22      Spells:  0 memorised, 23 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .   e - +8,+6 demon trident (flame)
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : .   h - +12 crystal plate armour "Muim Fri" {god g
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : +   a - +3 dwarf large shield {AC+3} {god gift}
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : +   u - +0 wizard hat {Int+3}
Res.Elec. : +       Clarity    : .   B - +2 dwarf cloak {rCorr, Cons}
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   T - +2 pair of fencer's gloves {EV+3 Dex+3 Acc
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   J - +1 pair of boots of Paeloseso {MR Dex+3}
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   Q - amulet of faith
Saprovore : . . .   Levitation : .   Z - ring of sustenance
                    Ctrl.Flight: .   n - ring of Rotyunt {Wiz rElec MR}

@: extraordinarily resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, Str +1
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion, Evoke Levitation
}: 3/15 runes: barnacled, silver, gossamer


You are in the Vestibule of Hell.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is exalted by your worship.
You are very hungry.

You have visited 8 branches of the dungeon, and seen 59 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Ice Cave and Wizlab.

You have collected 7356 gold pieces.
You have spent 2904 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 e - a +8,+6 demon trident of flaming (weapon)
 o - a +2,+2 bardiche of dragon slaying
Armour
 a - a +3 dwarven large shield of protection (worn) {god gift}
 f - a +2 pair of orcish boots of levitation
 g - the +0 shield "Cacruabb" {Spirit, +Lev Curse}
   (You acquired it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It lets you levitate.
   It may recurse itself.
 h - the +12 crystal plate armour "Muim Fri" (worn) {god gift, +Lev Acc+5}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your accuracy (+5).
   It lets you levitate.
 l - a +1 cloak of magic resistance
 u - a +0 wizard hat of intelligence (worn)
 B - a +2 dwarven cloak of preservation (worn)
 J - the +1 pair of boots of Paeloseso (worn) {MR Dex+3}
   (You acquired it on level 5 of the Spider Nest)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
 T - the +2 pair of fencer's gloves (worn) {EV+3 Dex+3 Acc+8}
   (You found it on level 25 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your evasion (+3).
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It affects your accuracy (+8).
 U - the +4 cloak of Hide-and-Seek {+Rage +Inv rF++}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Spider Nest)   
   
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It lets you turn invisible.
   It lets you go berserk.
Magical devices
 j - a wand of teleportation (2)
 k - a wand of teleportation (3)
 m - a wand of hasting (4)
 p - a wand of draining
 v - a wand of digging (14)
 A - a wand of heal wounds (4)
 C - a wand of cold (7)
 D - a wand of polymorph other (9)
 L - a wand of disintegration (9)
 M - a wand of heal wounds (6)
Comestibles
 d - 6 bread rations
 P - 5 meat rations
Scrolls
 y - 4 scrolls of fog
 I - 5 scrolls of remove curse
 N - 3 scrolls of identify
 O - a scroll of holy word
 R - a scroll of teleportation
 S - 5 scrolls of magic mapping
 W - 2 scrolls of blinking
Jewellery
 b - an uncursed amulet of resist corrosion
 i - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 n - the ring of Rotyunt (left hand) {Wiz rElec MR}
   (You took it off a frost giant on level 27 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of wizardry]
   
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
 s - the amulet "Pruuts" {Gourm rC+ Int-1 Dam+4}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Vaults)   
   
   [amulet of the gourmand]
   
   It affects your intelligence (-1).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+4).
   It protects you from cold.
 t - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
 x - an uncursed ring of see invisible
 E - an uncursed ring of poison resistance
 G - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 H - the ring of Shadows {+Inv rN+ EV+4 Acc-4 SInv Stlth++}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Shoals)   
   
   [ring of invisibility]
   
   It affects your evasion (+4).
   It affects your accuracy (-4).
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 K - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 Q - an amulet of faith (around neck)
 X - an uncursed ring of regeneration
 Y - an uncursed amulet of conservation
 Z - a ring of sustenance (right hand)
Potions
 c - 3 potions of heal wounds
 q - 2 potions of restore abilities
 r - 3 potions of agility
 z - 5 potions of curing
 F - 3 potions of might
 V - 3 potions of speed
Rods
 w - a +2 rod of destruction [inacc,magma,cold] (11/11)
   (You took it off a frost giant on level 8 of the Vaults)


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
 + Level 17.1 Polearms
 O Level 27 Armour
 * Level 3.2 Dodging
 - Level 0.4 Stealth
 - Level 0.6 Stabbing
 O Level 27 Shields
 - Level 10.0 Traps & Doors
 + Level 8.5 Invocations
 * Level 2.9 Evocations


You have 23 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (27/27)            Temple (1/1) D:5             Orc (4/4) D:6
    Elf (0/3) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:10         Shoals (5/5) Lair:5
 Spider (5/5) Lair:3        Slime (0/6) Lair:8       Vaults (8/8) D:15
  Blade (0/1) Vaults:6      Crypt (0/5) Vaults:2        Zot (0/5) D:27
   Dis: Hell:1         Geh: Hell:1         Coc: Hell:1         Tar: Hell:1

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One

Shops:
D:5: [  D:6: [  D:9: *  D:13: !  D:19: !  D:23: +  D:25: *  Orc:2: [  Orc:3: [  Orc:4: ([!  Shoals:5: (*++  Vaults:2: =  Vaults:3: +  Vaults:4: +  Vaults:7: [

Portals:
Hell: D:21 D:22 D:23 D:24 D:25 D:26 D:27
Abyss: D:21 D:22 D:25 D:26 D:27
Pandemonium: D:22 D:24
Ziggurat: D:19 (4320 gp)


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.
Your muscles are strong (Str +1).

[Amnesiac]

The most common things oka summons are giants(fire/ice/stone), they can walk over the deep water. I see you have some nice AC and SH, if you could get rC+ and rF+ giants wouldn't be such a problem, probably.

[1010011010]

If your going to take the wrath, rather than waiting it out, I suggest a source of blinking since they spawn around you. TSO won't help too much for slime, Zin can help if your worried about mutations; that said, Oka's finesse is still good, and since your leaving it becomes more spammable. I shouldn't talk too much about slime, I tend to avoid it.

[Amnesiac]

You have a cloak of preservation and a lot of AC and SH, so I think slimes should be pretty easy, but be prepared, that what can be corroded might very well get corroded. Abyss is quite easy, too, but it doesn't make much sense to go there, before you clean up the crypt with TSO.

[bobross419]

I usually tackle Slime before making the switch. Finesse makes Slime:7 pretty easy. I'd equip some other junk that Oki has gifted you in shield, head, and cloak slots since those bonuses aren't going to help you much in Slime and why waste the enchant scrolls. I'd go back to Shoals and grab a few Javs, preferably Pen, but Steel would be good too... And use them plus Heroism to take out Shining Eyes before they can mut you.. Rod can probably be used too though.

I wouldn't bother waiting out Oki wrath. Just be sure you have a way to blink and you should be fine. As a L2 spell you can get the skill necessary pretty quickly and probably by the end of Slime if you just train Tloc.

[Amnesiac]

That hat should be put off before you do slimes, imo. Oh yeah, I kinda forgot about eyes. Remember that mutation is beem-targeted, so if you cover behind some other creature, it won't be able to mutate you, until it's adjacent to you and then you want to kill it quickly. If I don't have rMut I don't do slimes without some powerful evocable spells like bolt of inaccuracy or maybe freezing cloud(I've never done this, but it should work on slow shining eyes). You don't want to spend extra turn under it's gaze, though.

[Turukano]

Secondly, just a question about waiting out Oka wrath

I don't think this is necessary, it's unlikely that Oka's wrath will be a real danger to you. The only problems I can think about are

• getting surrounded. As mentioned by 1010011010 any source of blinking will solve this problem.
• sometimes Oka sends a titan who is able to cast electricity spells. But your ring of Rotyunt {Wiz rElec MR} will help. Should you wear another ring just switch to it if a titan appears.
• If you are very unlucky Oka's forces show up when you're low on HP. I had this once in a zig and survived.

Oka's wrath is not too dangerous, you're already at XL24. If you are careful you should be able to handle it.

[Maverick535]

Well, I successfully made it through Slime, though prior to reading about the javelin suggestion, which would have helped. I also waited out Oka's wrath without issue.

Two other questions have arisen from these prior posts:
1. How do I train to blink if I can't even learn Apportation (it's at 100% failure). I guess what I'm asking is how do I get the first level in Translocations?

2. I made my conversion to The Shining One and cleared out Crypt, but it didn't provide enough piety to get me to 6 and allow me to bless my demon trident. I'm stuck with a +4 bardiche of dragon-slaying in the mean time, which wastes my shields ability. Where should I go to get the remaining piety? I'm thinking of doing some levels of pan, and just bailing out if it gets rough, but I'll take suggestions.

[MoogleDan]

Unequip your body armour and shield, and wear some INT+ items. That'll make it memorizable even without any skill.

[MoogleDan]

Oh, and as for the last few stars, the Abyss is great for farming TSO piety. Pandemonium is... nastier.

[Amnesiac]

oops, MoogleDan said it all, while I was typing. btw, what's with your trident, did you not like it?

[BlackSheep]

You can't wield a demon trident while worshiping TSO.

[MoogleDan]

Not until you hit max piety and seduce it to the light side anyway.

[BlackSheep]

Then it's not a demon trident anymore.

[Amnesiac]

ohh, right...

[jejorda2]

You can also drink a potion of brilliance to help memorize a spell that you can't train towards, but taking armour off is nearly always enough for a level 2 spell like Blink.

[Amnesiac]

And you can use a ring of wirardry, too.

[Maverick535]

Okay, thanks for the spell-learning advice, and I'll head to Abyss for the piety, and hopefully the rune while I'm there.

Is it worth continuing to train Evo to use that rod of Destruction for the Inaccuracy Bolt, or should I spend that experience on Translocations and spellcasting instead?

[Amnesiac]

With TSO bolt of inaccuracy is awesome.

[Maverick535]

Hey, I wanted to thank everyone for this help on this thread. I ended up learning Blink (which I don't think I ever used) but I also used the advice in this thread to learn summon butterflies, which ended up being exceptionally helpful to block line of sight of creatures with mutation abilities. From there I went on to my first 15 runer, so thanks.

[rebthor]

With TSO bolt of inaccuracy is awesome.

With anyone bolt of inaccuracy is awesome. With TSO it's crazy awesome.