Help with TrBe

Monday, 1st July 2013, 13:42 by delarado

Hey guys,

Currently getting into a decent TrBe game. My last one died horribly to a hydra that I just could not escape from.

My question is, I know I cannot attack hydras. Someone suggested "large rocks" as a way of dealing with them. I haven't found any so far. What are my other options? I seem to be picking up lots of weapons, including a god given staff that is no doubt quite powerful, but I am specced for unarmed combat; so havent used any weapons at all. I throw stones at things (to damage them a little as they close to melee range) but I have all my training going into UC at the moment.

Whats the consensus about how to deal with hydrae? Wand them down? Polymorph them into something else? Use a bow and arrow? Some kind of other weapon (Even though I have no skill in that weapon)

Any suggestions welcome, I want to finish lair at some point soon and I don't think I can do that till I can deal with Hydra.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (console) character file. Slopmeister the Brawler (Troll Berserker) Turns: 8845, Time: 01:23:49 HP 92/92 AC 9 Str 28 XL: 10 Next: 63% MP 12/12 EV 8 Int 4 God: Trog [*****.] Gold 620 SH 17 Dex 13 Spells: 0 memorised, 9 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : . - Unarmed Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . w - +0 orc robe Life Prot.: + . . Conserve : . u - +0 dwarf shield Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : . (helmet restricted) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . E - +2 cloak {rPois} Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (gloves unavailable) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (boots unavailable) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . (no amulet) Gourmand : + Flight : . L - ring of the Octopus King {MP+9 AC+1 EV+1 S H - ring of life protection @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, tough skin 2, AC +1 a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion You are on level 9 of the Dungeon. You worship Trog. Trog is exalted by your worship. You are full. You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 10 of its levels. You have also visited: Ossuary. You have collected 600 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons f - an uncursed runed bow {was cursed} q - a +0 blowgun r - an uncursed sling A - a +4,+3 quarterstaff of chaos K - an uncursed whip of venom N - a glowing flail R - a runed quarterstaff {god gift} W - an uncursed whip of electrocution Missiles c - 81 arrows h - 64 stones (quivered) l - 11 bolts m - 57 poisoned needles n - 28 arrows of flame y - 6 darts I - a dart of frost Armour u - a +0 dwarven shield (worn) w - a +0 orcish robe (worn) E - a +2 cloak of poison resistance (worn) Magical devices k - a wand of flame {zapped: 7} S - a wand of draining {zapped: 3} T - a wand of polymorph {zapped: 7} Z - a wand of confusion {zapped: 6} Comestibles a - 4 meat rations x - 6 bread rations B - an apricot J - a lemon Scrolls e - 5 scrolls of remove curse o - 2 scrolls of identify t - a scroll of enchant weapon II v - 5 scrolls of teleportation G - 2 scrolls of magic mapping M - 3 scrolls of fear U - a scroll of enchant weapon I V - a scroll labeled NURAIH CLUNOW X - a scroll of fog Jewellery H - a ring of life protection (left claw) L - a ring of the Octopus King (right claw) {MP+9 AC+1 EV+1 Str+1 Dex+1 Int+1} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) [ring of magical power] It affects your AC (+1). It affects your evasion (+1). It affects your strength (+1). It affects your intelligence (+1). It affects your dexterity (+1). O - an uncursed ring of teleportation Potions b - 2 blue potions d - a potion of brilliance g - 3 potions of magic i - 2 potions of resistance j - 7 potions of curing p - a potion of heal wounds s - a potion of speed z - a gluggy black potion D - an emulsified yellow potion F - 2 potions of might Y - 3 viscous green potions Skills: - Level 2.4 Fighting - Level 2.0 Throwing - Level 2.7 Dodging + Level 15.1 Unarmed Combat You have 9 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (10/27) Temple (0/1) D:5 Orc (0/4) D:9 Lair: D:8-13 Altars: Ashenzari Okawaru Vehumet Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have claws for hands. Your metabolism is lightning-fast. You like to eat raw meat. You heal very quickly. You can eat rotten meat. You are covered in fur (AC +1). You have very tough skin (AC +2). Message History You claw the hill giant zombie! The hill giant zombie hits you! You hit the hill giant zombie. The hill giant zombie hits you. You claw the hill giant zombie! You hit the hill giant zombie. The hill giant zombie hits you. You hit the hill giant zombie. You block the hill giant zombie's attack. You claw the hill giant zombie! You destroy the hill giant zombie! Your Unarmed Combat skill increases to level 15! You start resting. HP restored. You now have 620 gold pieces (gained 17). All of the skeletons in your inventory have completely rotted away. Partly explored, can't reach some items. Saving game... please wait. Welcome back, Slopmeister the Troll Berserker. Trog says: Kill them all! Press ? for a list of commands and other information. Char dumped to 'C:/Users/Carl/AppData/Roaming/crawl/morgue/Slopmeister.txt'. Saving game... please wait. #### ######## #..### ###..#..@####.##.## #....####..##..##.### ####.# ##...#.###..# ### #.# #..#.#.###.####.# ### #.####.##.#)....###..# #####.###......##..P##..##.... #..###....##....#............. #####.####......#................ #.# ##.#.......###............[.. There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Pikel (D:8) 3 elf zombies (Ossuary) A hill giant zombie (D:9) 2 trolls (D:9) Eustachio (D:6) A wyvern (D:9) Edmund (D:6) 3 hungry ghosts Menkaure (D:6) The ghost of Slopmeister the Shooter, an average CeHu (D:3) A manticore (D:9) A phantom (D:6) 2 ice beasts A slave (D:8) A yak skeleton (D:9) 4 centaurs An ogre (D:9) 3 sky beasts Duvessa (D:8) A warg (D:9) 3 centaur zombies 5 giant frogs An eye of draining (D:10) 5 wights (D:9) 2 hounds (D:8) A big kobold zombie (Ossuary) 6 crimson imps Dowan (D:8) 3 goliath beetles A hound skeleton (D:6) A big kobold skeleton (D:9) A scorpion (D:9) Crazy Yiuf (D:3) 7 orc priests A gnoll shaman (D:7) 3 iguanas 10 orc wizards 4 worker ants Ijyb (D:3) A jelly (D:7) 2 mummies (Ossuary) Terence (D:2) 7 gnolls 2 adder zombies (Ossuary) A green rat (D:6) A giant mite (D:8) 12 adders 2 worms A grey rat (D:6) A giant eyeball (D:7) A giant gecko (D:7) 3 oozes 24 orcs 10 bats 9 giant cockroaches 5 goblins 13 hobgoblins 10 jackals 3 ball pythons 4 giant newts A goblin zombie (Ossuary) 14 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary) 13 kobolds 3 kobold zombies (Ossuary) 10 orc zombies (Ossuary) 4 quokkas 17 rats A rat zombie (Ossuary) 2 fungi (D:3) 2 toadstools (D:1) 268 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A slave (D:8) An orc wizard (D:9) A kobold skeleton (D:5) 2 toadstools (D:1) 5 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 273 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Slopmeister, the Troll Berserker, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 23/23 MP: 0/0 117 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 31/31 MP: 0/0 403 | D:1 | Acquired Trog's second power 448 | D:1 | Reached skill level 4 in Unarmed Combat 672 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 37/37 MP: 1/1 832 | D:2 | Noticed Terence 852 | D:2 | Killed Terence 1136 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 39/46 MP: 1/1 1270 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat 1417 | D:3 | Noticed a giant frog 1421 | D:3 | Killed a giant frog 1421 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 39/53 MP: 1/1 1585 | D:3 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 1588 | D:3 | Noticed Slopmeister's ghost (average CeHu) 1599 | D:3 | Killed Slopmeister's ghost 1599 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat 1644 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 50/61 MP: 2/2 2157 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing 2157 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat 2261 | D:3 | Noticed Ijyb 2275 | D:3 | Killed Ijyb 2370 | D:3 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 2384 | D:3 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 2456 | D:4 | Acquired Trog's third power 2627 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 2934 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 68/68 MP: 2/2 3359 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat 3701 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 3737 | D:5 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 3916 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat 4070 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 60/76 MP: 2/2 4261 | D:6 | Noticed Menkaure 4270 | D:6 | Killed Menkaure 4529 | D:6 | Got a ring of the Octopus King 4543 | D:6 | Noticed Eustachio 4567 | D:6 | Killed Eustachio 4567 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat 4941 | D:6 | Noticed Edmund 4962 | D:6 | Killed Edmund 5038 | D:6 | Identified a ring of the Octopus King {MP+9 AC+1 EV+1 Str+1 Dex+1 Int+1} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) 5208 | D:7 | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat 5269 | D:6 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 5489 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 77/83 MP: 3/3 5796 | D:7 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 6117 | D:8 | Received a gift from Trog 6309 | D:8 | Noticed Pikel 6480 | D:8 | Killed Pikel 6480 | D:8 | Reached skill level 12 in Unarmed Combat 6719 | D:8 | Noticed Duvessa 6719 | D:8 | Noticed Dowan 6723 | D:8 | Killed Dowan 6729 | D:8 | Killed Duvessa 6956 | D:8 | Found a sand-covered staircase. 6963 | Ossuary | Entered an ossuary 7185 | Ossuary | Reached skill level 13 in Unarmed Combat 7198 | Ossuary | Reached XP level 10. HP: 85/92 MP: 3/3 7467 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 7834 | D:9 | Reached skill level 14 in Unarmed Combat 7938 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 8683 | D:9 | Reached skill level 15 in Unarmed Combat Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 134 | 164 | 334 | 178 || 810 Throw: Stone | | 75 | 251 | 92 || 418 Invok: Berserk | | 1 | 2 | || 3 Burn Spellbooks | | | | 1 || 1 Evoke: Wand | | | 3 | 15 || 18 Use: Scroll | 6 | 9 | 6 | 3 || 24 Potion | | | | 2 || 2 Stab: Sleeping | 2 | 2 | 2 | || 6

Final couple of questions...

Is it worth using enchant weapon scrolls on my claws? does it have any effect?
Whats the deal with scrolls of identify? Sometimes I seem to be able to identify 5-6 different potions, sometimes only one. Can someone explain please?

Thank you!

Monday, 1st July 2013, 13:52 by EvilAshe

If you can find some kind of bladed weapon of flame you can swap to it to deal with Hydras, even with low skill each blow should chop off a head making them increasingly useless. Failing that, a mace if you NEED to kill one is much better then your claws, especially if you bring their health down or incapacitate them with wands beforehand.

Enchant Weapon has no effect on your claws as far as I remember. Chuck them or use them on whatever anti-hydra weapon you choose.
Identify scrolls can identify 1-3 items. It's entirely a matter of luck how many identifys any given scroll will give you so don't worry about it.

Monday, 1st July 2013, 14:06 by jejorda2

I'll train maces and flails to about 5, then use a morningstar, giant spiked club, or whip of electricity depending on what I've found. If you get good armour, the individual hits from the hydra aren't enough to damage you and you can take them apart with claws. But you need good armour.

Brothers In Arms is an option for hydras, as is walking away as long as they aren't on water. They swim faster than you walk, but they walk the same speed.

Don't forget wands.

Monday, 1st July 2013, 14:26 by delarado

I've got a whip of electricity. Why that, rathar than my god given weapon, or the quarterstaff of chaos, for example (it seems to have good stats)

Monday, 1st July 2013, 14:48 by Lasty

Trolls deal with hydrae the same way just about everyone else does, except that you probably don't use conjurations or summoning. That still leaves:

* God abilities
* Wands / evokables
* Javelins or large stones
* Flaming bladed weapons
* Weapon swap to something blunt

Keep in mind that if the hydra is lowish on life and you've still got most of your life, it's easy to just claw it down anyway. You should be dealing considerably more damage than it regenerates by regrowing heads, meaning it'll go down before it gets enough additional heads to become frightening.

Personally, I don't like the weapon swap option, since I find that the other options are usually more than good enough, and they don't require wasting XP.

Monday, 1st July 2013, 15:33 by delarado

I never actually tried clawing one down to be honest. Maybe I'll zap it with my wand of fire a few times first. Its annoying that a bow is considered a weapon (i.e that you have to unwield it to hit things)

Is there any way to "shoot" things as they approach and then go straight into melee, without wasting turns unwielding your weapon? Aside from straight throwing?

Monday, 1st July 2013, 15:38 by Tiber

You can't go straight into melee without unwielding (trying to hit them *with* the bow is not recommended), but changing weapons only takes a half a turn, and there's no penalty for just continuing to fire the bow in melee range.

Monday, 1st July 2013, 19:08 by delarado

Using a bow is hilariously ineffective, to the point where I struggle to kill a single kobold with one.

Im coming to the point where my inventory is getting full (51/52 slots, i'm having to drop stuff to pick things up)

Whats my choices? Can I get more slots?

People talk of stashing things. If I do that, is there an easy way to mark where i've stashed it? Wheres the best place to stash it? Do creatures take from your stash? If so, how do i protect it?

Lastly, I'm sure i'm keeping far too much stuff in my inventory, but im unsure what to drop.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (console) character file. Slopmeister the Brawler (Troll Berserker) Turns: 10102, Time: 01:42:36 HP 89/98 AC 9 Str 28 XL: 11 Next: 15% MP 12/12 EV 9 Int 4 God: Trog [*****.] Gold 656 SH 18 Dex 13 Spells: 0 memorised, 10 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : . - Unarmed Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . w - +0 orc robe Life Prot.: + . . Conserve : . u - +0 dwarf shield Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : . (helmet restricted) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . E - +2 cloak {rPois} Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (gloves unavailable) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (boots unavailable) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . (no amulet) Gourmand : + Flight : . L - ring of the Octopus King {MP+9 AC+1 EV+1 S H - ring of life protection @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, tough skin 2, AC +1 a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion You are on level 10 of the Dungeon. You worship Trog. Trog is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 11 of its levels. You have also visited: Ossuary. You have collected 636 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons f - an uncursed runed bow {was cursed} q - a +0 blowgun r - an uncursed sling A - a +4,+3 quarterstaff of chaos K - an uncursed whip of venom N - an uncursed flail of crushing P - an uncursed anti-magic quick blade {god gift} R - an uncursed quarterstaff of holy wrath {god gift} W - an uncursed whip of electrocution Missiles c - 75 arrows h - 64 stones (quivered) m - 51 poisoned needles n - 28 arrows of flame y - 6 darts C - 10 poisoned arrows I - a dart of frost Armour u - a +0 dwarven shield (worn) w - a +0 orcish robe (worn) E - a +2 cloak of poison resistance (worn) Magical devices k - a wand of flame {zapped: 7} S - a wand of draining {recharged} T - a wand of polymorph {zapped: 7} Z - a wand of confusion {zapped: 6} Comestibles a - 4 meat rations l - 11 strawberries x - 6 bread rations B - an apricot J - a lemon Scrolls e - 4 scrolls of remove curse v - 6 scrolls of teleportation G - 2 scrolls of magic mapping M - 3 scrolls of fear V - a scroll of recharging X - a scroll of fog Jewellery H - a ring of life protection (left claw) L - a ring of the Octopus King (right claw) {MP+9 AC+1 EV+1 Str+1 Dex+1 Int+1} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) [ring of magical power] It affects your AC (+1). It affects your evasion (+1). It affects your strength (+1). It affects your intelligence (+1). It affects your dexterity (+1). O - an uncursed ring of teleportation Q - an uncursed ring of flight Potions b - 2 blue potions d - 2 potions of brilliance g - 3 potions of magic i - 2 potions of resistance j - 7 potions of curing p - 2 potions of heal wounds s - a potion of speed t - a bubbling purple potion z - a gluggy black potion D - an emulsified yellow potion F - 2 potions of might Y - 3 viscous green potions Skills: + Level 2.7 Fighting + Level 1.0 Maces & Flails + Level 2.2 Throwing + Level 1.0 Armour + Level 2.8 Dodging + Level 0.7 Shields + Level 16.1 Unarmed Combat You have 10 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (11/27) Temple (0/1) D:5 Orc (0/4) D:9 Lair: D:8-13 Altars: Ashenzari Okawaru Vehumet Xom Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have claws for hands. Your metabolism is lightning-fast. You like to eat raw meat. You heal very quickly. You can eat rotten meat. You are covered in fur (AC +1). You have very tough skin (AC +2). Message History You mangle the gnoll!! You kill the gnoll! Trog accepts your kill. Your Armour skill increases to level 1! You see here a spear. You see here a club. You see here a spear. You open the door. There is an open door here. Done exploring. Saving game... please wait. Welcome back, Slopmeister the Troll Berserker. Trog says: Kill them all! Press ? for a list of commands and other information. Saving game... please wait. Welcome back, Slopmeister the Troll Berserker. Trog says: Kill them all! Press ? for a list of commands and other information. Char dumped to 'C:/Users/Carl/AppData/Roaming/crawl/morgue/Slopmeister.txt'. Saving game... please wait. #....# #..# #.# #....# #..# #.# #....####..# #.# #..........# #.# ###..........############.# ..........................# ...........g..gg..........####### ........#########)............... ####...g#.......@).......######## #....#.......#.######.# #....#.......#.# #.# #....#########)# #.# #...........)).# #.######## #..............# #......... #............<)# #.######## ####..............# #.#....... ..........######..# #.#.....<. There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures 2 hill giants (D:10) Pikel (D:8) A griffon skeleton (D:10) 3 elf zombies (Ossuary) 2 hill giant zombies 2 trolls (D:9) A two-headed ogre (D:10) Eustachio (D:6) 2 wyverns Edmund (D:6) 3 hungry ghosts Menkaure (D:6) The ghost of Slopmeister the Shooter, an average CeHu (D:3) A manticore (D:9) 2 orc warriors (D:10) A cyclops skeleton (D:10) A phantom (D:6) 2 ice beasts A slave (D:8) A yak skeleton (D:9) 4 centaurs A troll zombie (D:10) An ogre (D:9) 3 sky beasts Duvessa (D:8) A warg (D:9) 3 centaur zombies 5 giant frogs An eye of draining (D:10) 9 wights 2 hounds (D:8) A big kobold zombie (Ossuary) 7 crimson imps Dowan (D:8) 3 goliath beetles A hound skeleton (D:6) A big kobold skeleton (D:9) 2 scorpions Crazy Yiuf (D:3) 8 orc priests A gnoll shaman (D:7) 3 iguanas 10 orc wizards 4 worker ants Ijyb (D:3) 2 jellies 2 mummies (Ossuary) Terence (D:2) 10 gnolls 2 adder zombies (Ossuary) A green rat (D:6) A giant mite (D:8) 14 adders 3 worms A grey rat (D:6) A giant eyeball (D:7) A giant gecko (D:7) 3 oozes 29 orcs 11 bats 9 giant cockroaches 5 goblins 13 hobgoblins 10 jackals 3 ball pythons 4 giant newts A goblin zombie (Ossuary) 14 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary) 13 kobolds 3 kobold zombies (Ossuary) 10 orc zombies (Ossuary) 4 quokkas 17 rats A rat zombie (Ossuary) 2 fungi (D:3) 2 toadstools (D:1) 298 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A slave (D:8) An orc wizard (D:9) A kobold skeleton (D:5) 2 toadstools (D:1) 5 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 303 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Slopmeister, the Troll Berserker, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 23/23 MP: 0/0 117 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 31/31 MP: 0/0 403 | D:1 | Acquired Trog's second power 448 | D:1 | Reached skill level 4 in Unarmed Combat 672 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 37/37 MP: 1/1 832 | D:2 | Noticed Terence 852 | D:2 | Killed Terence 1136 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 39/46 MP: 1/1 1270 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat 1417 | D:3 | Noticed a giant frog 1421 | D:3 | Killed a giant frog 1421 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 39/53 MP: 1/1 1585 | D:3 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 1588 | D:3 | Noticed Slopmeister's ghost (average CeHu) 1599 | D:3 | Killed Slopmeister's ghost 1599 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat 1644 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 50/61 MP: 2/2 2157 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing 2157 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat 2261 | D:3 | Noticed Ijyb 2275 | D:3 | Killed Ijyb 2370 | D:3 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 2384 | D:3 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 2456 | D:4 | Acquired Trog's third power 2627 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 2934 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 68/68 MP: 2/2 3359 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat 3701 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 3737 | D:5 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 3916 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat 4070 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 60/76 MP: 2/2 4261 | D:6 | Noticed Menkaure 4270 | D:6 | Killed Menkaure 4529 | D:6 | Got a ring of the Octopus King 4543 | D:6 | Noticed Eustachio 4567 | D:6 | Killed Eustachio 4567 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat 4941 | D:6 | Noticed Edmund 4962 | D:6 | Killed Edmund 5038 | D:6 | Identified a ring of the Octopus King {MP+9 AC+1 EV+1 Str+1 Dex+1 Int+1} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) 5208 | D:7 | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat 5269 | D:6 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 5489 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 77/83 MP: 3/3 5796 | D:7 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 6117 | D:8 | Received a gift from Trog 6309 | D:8 | Noticed Pikel 6480 | D:8 | Killed Pikel 6480 | D:8 | Reached skill level 12 in Unarmed Combat 6719 | D:8 | Noticed Duvessa 6719 | D:8 | Noticed Dowan 6723 | D:8 | Killed Dowan 6729 | D:8 | Killed Duvessa 6956 | D:8 | Found a sand-covered staircase. 6963 | Ossuary | Entered an ossuary 7185 | Ossuary | Reached skill level 13 in Unarmed Combat 7198 | Ossuary | Reached XP level 10. HP: 85/92 MP: 3/3 7467 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 7834 | D:9 | Reached skill level 14 in Unarmed Combat 7938 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 8683 | D:9 | Reached skill level 15 in Unarmed Combat 9031 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 9057 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 9125 | D:10 | Received a gift from Trog 9364 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 71/98 MP: 3/3 9448 | D:11 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 9448 | D:11 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 9448 | D:11 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 9448 | D:11 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 9448 | D:11 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 9499 | D:10 | Reached skill level 16 in Unarmed Combat 9708 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 9720 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 10007 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails 10093 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 134 | 164 | 334 | 262 || 894 Quarterstaff | | | | 9 || 9 Flail | | | | 1 || 1 Fire: Bow | | | | 19 || 19 Blowgun | | | | 45 || 45 Throw: Stone | | 75 | 251 | 98 || 424 Invok: Berserk | | 1 | 2 | || 3 Burn Spellbooks | | | | 1 || 1 Evoke: Wand | | | 3 | 15 || 18 Use: Scroll | 6 | 9 | 6 | 9 || 30 Potion | | | | 2 || 2 Stab: Sleeping | 2 | 2 | 2 | || 6

im thinking of ditching the uncursed bow and all of the arrows as a ranged weapon in favour of the blowgun, seeing as I have a -4 aptitude for bows and a -1 aptitude for throwing (which blowguns fall under)

Is this a sensible enough choice?

Moving on from that, I want to keep the flail of crushing (For Hydras, its the best non slicing weapon I have I think) and I should also keep the anti-mage quick blade (Im guessing for heavy magic users) and the quarterstaff of holy wrath for the undead.

Is it really a case of keeping/stashing this many weapons, or am I being overly cautious and should I just claw everything to death except hydras?

Finally, my skill tree looks like this... Is this ok? (With regard to what Im training now my UC is about level 16 or so) and also, why am I getting +4 aptitude to staves and slings?

Code:: Skill Level Train Apt Skill Level Train Apt a + Fighting 2.7 14% -2 m - Stabbing 0.0 -2 b - Short Blades 0.0 -2 n - Traps 0.0 -4 c + Maces & Flails 1.0 14% -1 d - Staves 0.0 -2 +4o - Spellcasting 0.0 -5 e + Unarmed Combat 16.1 14% 0 p - Evocations 0.0 -2 f - Bows 0.0 -4 g + Throwing 2.2 14% -1 h - Slings 0.0 -4 +4 i + Armour 1.0 14% -2 j + Dodging 2.8 14% -2 k - Stealth 0.0 -4 l + Shields 0.7 14% -2

Monday, 1st July 2013, 19:17 by delarado

SOmething invisible is hitting me, and I've no idea what. Up until now, anything hitting me has become visible after 5-6 moves, this does not seem to be, and its faster than me, so even running flat out im losing HP.

Im at half HP right now. What the f do I do?!

Code:: Message History You see here 9 poisoned bolts. HP restored. It hits you. Deactivating autopickup; reactivate with Ctrl-A. It completely misses you. It hits you. It hits you. You block its attack. You see here 9 poisoned bolts. It hits you. It hits you. You block its attack. It hits you! You block its attack. It hits you. It hits you. It hits you. It hits you but does no damage. Char dumped to 'C:/Users/Carl/AppData/Roaming/crawl/morgue/Slopmeister.txt'. Saving game... please wait. ........... ..............##.... .......... ..............##.... .......# #########.....##.... .......# #.....##.... .......###############.....##.... ............<...............(.... .......#################.######## ......(#################.# ................@....))).# .......################### ########

Monday, 1st July 2013, 19:21 by battaile

Sounds like an unseen horror, they start to show up around D:10ish. Basically they are like a hard hitting invisible bat so it is hard to guess where they are going to be, if I don't have see invis I usually just try to get off the level, into a hallway, and/or use a fog scroll to help find them.
If you search the advice forum for 'unseen horror' I know there was at least one recent thread on dealing with them.

Monday, 1st July 2013, 19:39 by delarado

Is it viable to just blindly swing at it? I think its to the left of me, and I take it that it cannot get past me. CTRL + left Direction until it dies?

I looked up the thread about dealing with them, theres lots of good tips there - the only one that really applies to me is using my scroll of fog. However, If i can just kill it without wasting a scroll I will!

Monday, 1st July 2013, 19:42 by tasonir

The best way to deal with hydras is whatever hydra dealing method your character was able to actually find. You aren't guarenteed to find any of them unless your background starts with it, and trolls certainly don't. Berserkers, however, do - brothers in arms. High piety cost, and you don't want to use it often, but it could be an option. I previously recommended large rocks because they are one of the easiest ones to force to spawn - you may not find them by lair if your lair is on an early floor, but if you go down to d:12 or so you're just about certain to find them on a cyclops or giant. Flaming blades are great but you're unlikely to find one early on. If you do, great. Everyone will probably have some attack wands, and these are great for softening them up, but your charges will deplete quickly.

Unseen horrors you want to either fog in a corridor, blindly attack in a corridor, or get to a different floor and abandon the mob there. It can be tricky to get them to take stairs though, as they're often not next to you on your turn. If you are in a corridor where they can't move past you, and you know what side of you they are on, you can force attack (control + direction) and hit them on the turns they happen to be next to you. This may take a while. Make sure you have the raw power to survive being hit for a while. Rings of see invis are of course the obvious solution.

Monday, 1st July 2013, 19:47 by battaile

delarado wrote:Is it viable to just blindly swing at it? I think its to the left of me, and I take it that it cannot get past me. CTRL + left Direction until it dies?

Yeah, if you're in a corridor this will work. (or just 'left direction without CTRL' if you can back him into a dead end)

Monday, 1st July 2013, 21:21 by delarado

great, thanks guys. Any news on my questions about stashing and inventory?

Monday, 1st July 2013, 21:40 by tasonir

You can leave an annotation on the level (press !, if the annotation begins with ! it will prompt you before entering that level), but generally people just use search (control + F) to type in what item they are looking for, and crawl will give you back a list of where all of those items are, and you can auto travel to them.

I still prefer to have a centralized stash because I find it annoying to search for each item and travel to 3 different places when I need to restock. I'd rather just go to one place and have all my things there. This may take more trips to drop things off at that one location though, try both and see what you like. Item destruction may be getting removed in the near future, although it's still around for now.

Monday, 1st July 2013, 21:56 by Siegurt

You can also set a "waypoint" at a location with Control-W (you can pick a number 0-9 for your stash)
then you can travel back to that point with Control-G, then hit that number (Will auto-travel to that point)
(Control-G is also a great way to travel to a different branch or level you've been to before)

Another viable method is to use control-F to find what it is you need to travel back and get, and then select it from the list, this makes it so you don't need one centralized repository for everything and can kind of just leave things generally where you find them.

Tuesday, 2nd July 2013, 17:09 by delarado

F*in centaurs!

Noticed a centaur, moved closer, noticed a warrior and four more centaurs. All still very far away, but i realise how powerful centaurs are, so i started to run.

4-5 moves in the opposite direction to the centaurs later and I'm dead. I thought i was out of range of anything they could do, obviously not. WIll teach me to check before pressing buttons!

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (console) character file. 18767 Slopmeister the Brawler (level 12, -11/111 HPs) Began as a Troll Berserker on July 1, 2013. Was a High Priest of Trog. Shot with an arrow by a centaur warrior (31 damage) ... on Level 13 of the Dungeon on July 2, 2013. The game lasted 02:36:14 (13399 turns). Slopmeister the Brawler (Troll Berserker) Turns: 13399, Time: 02:36:14 HP -11/111 AC 9 Str 29 XL: 12 Next: 19% MP 13/13 EV 11 Int 4 God: Trog [*****.] Gold 795 SH 21 Dex 14 Spells: 0 memorised, 11 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : . - Unarmed Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . w - +0 orc robe Life Prot.: + . . Conserve : . u - +0 dwarf shield Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : . (helmet restricted) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . E - +2 cloak {rPois} Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (gloves unavailable) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (boots unavailable) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . (no amulet) Gourmand : + Flight : . L - ring of the Octopus King {MP+9 AC+1 EV+1 S H - ring of life protection @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, tough skin 2, AC +1 a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion You were on level 13 of the Dungeon. You worshipped Trog. Trog was exalted by your worship. You were not hungry. You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 14 of its levels. You also visited: Ossuary. You collected 775 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons q - a +0 blowgun r - a +0,+0 sling K - a +1,+1 whip of venom N - a +2,+5 flail of crushing P - a +2,+6 anti-magic quick blade W - a +1,+0 whip of electrocution Missiles h - 64 stones (quivered) m - 49 poisoned needles n - 11 sling bullets of frost I - a dart of frost U - 8 needles of paralysis Armour g - a +0 robe u - a +0 dwarven shield (worn) w - a +0 orcish robe (worn) E - a +2 cloak of poison resistance (worn) Magical devices k - a wand of flame (8) C - a wand of frost (15) {unknown} R - a wand of confusion (13) S - a wand of draining (4) T - a wand of polymorph (5) Z - a wand of confusion (4) Comestibles a - 5 meat rations l - an apple x - 7 bread rations Scrolls e - 4 scrolls of remove curse o - a scroll of enchant armour {unknown} v - 6 scrolls of teleportation A - a scroll of enchant weapon I G - 3 scrolls of magic mapping J - 3 scrolls of blinking M - 2 scrolls of fear V - a scroll of recharging X - 2 scrolls of fog Jewellery c - an uncursed amulet of resist corrosion f - an uncursed ring of flight y - the ring "Coshrazua" {rC+ Str+6, unknown} (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon) [ring of strength] It affects your strength (+6). It protects you from cold. H - a ring of life protection (left claw) L - a ring of the Octopus King (right claw) {MP+9 AC+1 EV+1 Str+1 Dex+1 Int+1} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) [ring of magical power] It affects your AC (+1). It affects your evasion (+1). It affects your strength (+1). It affects your intelligence (+1). It affects your dexterity (+1). O - an uncursed ring of teleportation Q - an uncursed ring of flight Potions b - 3 potions of poison {unknown} d - 2 potions of brilliance i - 2 potions of resistance j - 8 potions of curing p - 3 potions of heal wounds s - a potion of speed t - a potion of cure mutation {unknown} z - 2 potions of slowing {unknown} B - a potion of invisibility {unknown} D - 2 potions of paralysis {unknown} F - a potion of might Y - 3 potions of restore abilities {unknown} Skills: + Level 4.7 Fighting + Level 4.1 Maces & Flails + Level 4.6 Throwing + Level 3.7 Armour + Level 5.0 Dodging + Level 3.7 Shields + Level 16.5 Unarmed Combat You had 11 spell levels left. You didn't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (14/27) Temple (0/1) D:5 Orc (0/4) D:9 Lair (0/8) D:12 Altars: Ashenzari Fedhas Okawaru Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Portals: Trove: D:11 (give +3 ice dragon armour) Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have claws for hands. Your metabolism is lightning-fast. You like to eat raw meat. You heal very quickly. You can eat rotten meat. You are covered in fur (AC +1). You have very tough skin (AC +2). Message History The centaur shoots an arrow of frost. The arrow of frost hits you! You see here an arrow of frost. The centaur warrior shoots an arrow. The arrow hits you! You see here an arrow. The centaur shoots an arrow of frost. The arrow of frost hits you! One of your 2 potions of might freezes and shatters! You see here an arrow of frost. The centaur warrior shoots an arrow. The arrow hits you! You see here an arrow. The centaur warrior shoots an arrow. The arrow hits you! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * The centaur shoots an arrow of frost. The arrow of frost hits you! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * You see here an arrow. The centaur warrior shoots an arrow. The arrow misses you. The centaur shoots an arrow of frost. You block the arrow of frost. Things that are here: an arrow of frost; an arrow The centaur warrior shoots an arrow. The arrow hits you! You die... ###.....## #.....### ##.)..## ###....## #.....## #####....## # ###...#...## ## #.........# ##. ##........## ###.. #....#....# ##.... #..@####### ###..... #..(.# #......# ###.(.# ####....### #...(.# #......## ###..(.## ###......# ###...(..# #..)...### #......######....### ###<.cc..####.....## #....(####.......## #...(.# ##...)..## #..(#####(....### You could see a centaur warrior. Vanquished Creatures A vault guard (D:11) Harold (D:13) 2 unseen horrors 3 hill giants Pikel (D:8) A griffon skeleton (D:10) 3 elf zombies (Ossuary) 3 hill giant zombies 4 trolls 2 two-headed ogres A shark (D:12) A wraith (D:12) 12 yaks Eustachio (D:6) A soldier ant (shapeshifter) (D:11) A trapdoor spider (D:11) 3 vampire mosquitoes (D:13) 4 wyverns A yaktaur zombie (D:11) Edmund (D:6) A mottled dragon (D:12) 3 hungry ghosts Menkaure (D:6) 2 cyclops zombies (D:12) The ghost of Slopmeister the Shooter, an average CeHu (D:3) A manticore (D:9) A manticore skeleton (D:13) 4 orc warriors 2 cyclops skeletons A yak zombie (D:11) 2 phantoms 2 ice beasts A slave (D:8) A yak skeleton (D:9) 4 centaurs A troll zombie (D:10) An ogre (D:9) 3 sky beasts Duvessa (D:8) A warg (D:9) 3 centaur zombies 6 giant frogs A giant frog skeleton (D:12) 4 jellyfish (D:12) An eye of draining (D:10) 6 killer bees (D:13) 9 wights A shadow (D:12) 2 hounds (D:8) 2 big kobold zombies 7 crimson imps Dowan (D:8) 3 goliath beetles A mottled dragon skeleton (D:11) A hound skeleton (D:6) A big kobold skeleton (D:9) 2 big fish (D:12) 3 scorpions Crazy Yiuf (D:3) 12 orc priests A gnoll shaman (D:7) 4 iguanas 13 orc wizards 4 worker ants Ijyb (D:3) 3 jellies 3 mummies Terence (D:2) 11 gnolls 2 adder zombies (Ossuary) A green rat (D:6) A giant mite (D:8) 14 adders 4 worms A grey rat (D:6) A giant eyeball (D:7) A giant gecko (D:7) 3 oozes 42 orcs 11 bats 9 giant cockroaches 5 goblins 14 hobgoblins 10 jackals 3 ball pythons 4 giant newts A goblin zombie (Ossuary) 14 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary) 13 kobolds 3 kobold zombies (Ossuary) 10 orc zombies (Ossuary) 5 quokkas 17 rats A rat zombie (Ossuary) 3 fungi 2 toadstools (D:1) 384 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A slave (D:8) An orc wizard (D:9) An orc (D:12) A kobold skeleton (D:5) 2 toadstools (D:1) 6 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 390 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Slopmeister, the Troll Berserker, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 23/23 MP: 0/0 117 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 31/31 MP: 0/0 403 | D:1 | Acquired Trog's second power 448 | D:1 | Reached skill level 4 in Unarmed Combat 672 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 37/37 MP: 1/1 832 | D:2 | Noticed Terence 852 | D:2 | Killed Terence 1136 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 39/46 MP: 1/1 1270 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat 1417 | D:3 | Noticed a giant frog 1421 | D:3 | Killed a giant frog 1421 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 39/53 MP: 1/1 1585 | D:3 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 1588 | D:3 | Noticed Slopmeister's ghost (average CeHu) 1599 | D:3 | Killed Slopmeister's ghost 1599 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat 1644 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 50/61 MP: 2/2 2157 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing 2157 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat 2261 | D:3 | Noticed Ijyb 2275 | D:3 | Killed Ijyb 2370 | D:3 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 2384 | D:3 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 2456 | D:4 | Acquired Trog's third power 2627 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 2934 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 68/68 MP: 2/2 3359 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat 3701 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 3737 | D:5 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 3916 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat 4070 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 60/76 MP: 2/2 4261 | D:6 | Noticed Menkaure 4270 | D:6 | Killed Menkaure 4529 | D:6 | Got a ring of the Octopus King 4543 | D:6 | Noticed Eustachio 4567 | D:6 | Killed Eustachio 4567 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat 4941 | D:6 | Noticed Edmund 4962 | D:6 | Killed Edmund 5038 | D:6 | Identified a ring of the Octopus King {MP+9 AC+1 EV+1 Str+1 Dex+1 Int+1} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) 5208 | D:7 | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat 5269 | D:6 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 5489 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 77/83 MP: 3/3 5796 | D:7 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 6117 | D:8 | Received a gift from Trog 6309 | D:8 | Noticed Pikel 6480 | D:8 | Killed Pikel 6480 | D:8 | Reached skill level 12 in Unarmed Combat 6719 | D:8 | Noticed Duvessa 6719 | D:8 | Noticed Dowan 6723 | D:8 | Killed Dowan 6729 | D:8 | Killed Duvessa 6956 | D:8 | Found a sand-covered staircase. 6963 | Ossuary | Entered an ossuary 7185 | Ossuary | Reached skill level 13 in Unarmed Combat 7198 | Ossuary | Reached XP level 10. HP: 85/92 MP: 3/3 7467 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 7834 | D:9 | Reached skill level 14 in Unarmed Combat 7938 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 8683 | D:9 | Reached skill level 15 in Unarmed Combat 9031 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 9057 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 9125 | D:10 | Received a gift from Trog 9364 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 71/98 MP: 3/3 9448 | D:11 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 9448 | D:11 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 9448 | D:11 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 9448 | D:11 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 9448 | D:11 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 9499 | D:10 | Reached skill level 16 in Unarmed Combat 9708 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 9720 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 10007 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails 10093 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 10170 | D:11 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 10372 | D:11 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 10381 | D:11 | Got a slimy marble ring 10490 | D:11 | Killed an unseen horror 10597 | D:11 | Noticed an ettin 10625 | D:11 | Noticed a minotaur 10626 | D:11 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 10626 | D:11 | a minotaur changed into an agate snail 10785 | D:11 | Noticed a minotaur 10792 | D:11 | Noticed a siren 10792 | D:11 | a minotaur changed into a siren 11053 | D:11 | Noticed an ice dragon 11095 | D:11 | Noticed a vault guard 11218 | D:11 | Killed a vault guard 11278 | D:11 | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure. 11875 | D:12 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 11918 | D:12 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 12109 | D:12 | Received a gift from Trog 12866 | D:13 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 89/110 MP: 4/4 12969 | D:13 | Killed an unseen horror 13009 | D:13 | Noticed a hill giant 13021 | D:13 | Killed a hill giant 13046 | D:14 | Entered Level 14 of the Dungeon 13275 | D:13 | Noticed Harold 13288 | D:13 | Killed Harold 13375 | D:13 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 13388 | D:13 | Noticed a centaur warrior 13399 | D:13 | Shot with an arrow by a centaur warrior Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 134 | 164 | 334 | 556 || 1188 Quarterstaff | | | | 9 || 9 Flail | | | | 1 || 1 Fire: Bow | | | | 19 || 19 Blowgun | | | | 82 || 82 Sling | | | | 2 || 2 Throw: Stone | | 75 | 251 | 101 || 427 Dart | | | | 5 || 5 Invok: Berserk | | 1 | 2 | 2 || 5 Burn Spellbooks | | | | 2 || 2 Evoke: Wand | | | 3 | 16 || 19 Use: Scroll | 6 | 9 | 6 | 14 || 35 Potion | | | | 2 || 2 Stab: Sleeping | 2 | 2 | 2 | || 6

Tuesday, 2nd July 2013, 17:13 by BlackSheep

If you can see a centaur, it can see you and can hit you with an arrow. They're also faster than you, so in addition to moving to keep up while you run away, they can continue to pepper you with arrows.

Usually when you see a centaur your first step should be away from it. Duck around a corner and make it come to you.

Tuesday, 2nd July 2013, 17:57 by rebthor

Then possibly shout to get it to come to your hopefully safe place if it's wandering and didn't notice you before.

Tuesday, 9th July 2013, 07:41 by Sandman25

rebthor wrote:Then possibly shout to get it to come to your hopefully safe place if it's wandering and didn't notice you before.

Or just throw a dart or stone, it will attract less attention from other monsters.

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