Metabolic Englaciation

[prozacelf]

Is ME ever worth it? I get books that have it pretty frequently, but 6 is a lot of spell levels for what appears to essentially be Mass Slow. Ignoring MR is a nice touch, but uses 2 spell schools and I'm having trouble thinking of a situation where I'd rather use that over virtually any other L6 spell.

[Sandman25]

Is ME ever worth it? I get books that have it pretty frequently, but 6 is a lot of spell levels for what appears to essentially be Mass Slow. Ignoring MR is a nice touch, but uses 2 spell schools and I'm having trouble thinking of a situation where I'd rather use that over virtually any other L6 spell.

Maybe Swamp ending with multiple Hydrae?

[prozacelf]

Maybe. The trouble is nearly every situation ME would cover (that I can think of anyway) I'd probably still rather use Mass Confusion if I had it available.

[Sandman25]

Maybe. The trouble is nearly every situation ME would cover (that I can think of anyway) I'd probably still rather use Mass Confusion if I had it available.

Maybe it can be useful for Ice specialist who can't cast Confusion and is not a conjurer to use Freezing Cloud/Bolt of Cold. Though I have never had the spell memorized either, even for MfIE

[Kate]

Well it's haste that stacks with haste, although certainly you might not need a second haste once you have the first one.

[Sandman25]

Well it's haste that stacks with haste, although certainly you might not need a second haste once you have the first one.

Yes, the spell seems very powerful after analyzing code.

  Code:

duration = (roll_dice(3, pow) / 6 - random2(mons->get_experience_level()))
                    * BASELINE_DELAY

I think it has 50% chance to slow down HD 20 monsters at pow 40.
I am not sure why this important info is not present in knowledge bots/wiki.

[Magipi]

I wonder if anyone ever used Metabolic Englaciation.

[Isaiadrenaline]

I wonder if anyone ever used Metabolic Englaciation.

NOPE

[some12fat2move]

I did once, on a SpEn who branched into ice magic for ozo's and bolt of cold. Metabolic englaciation would usually slow stone giants in 2 or 3 casts but it seemed like just shooting bolt of cold worked better. The advantage of metabolic englaciation was its range and radius.

[crate]

Metabolic englaciation would usually slow stone giants in 2 or 3 casts

in fact it 100% of the time would slow them in one cast

[some12fat2move]

It was a long time ago so I don't remember it very well. If that's the case then it's better than I remember and probably worth starting every fight with against non-cold-resistant monsters.

[prozacelf]

Thank you friends, for not telling me if it is actually worth the time!

But seriously, I never use Slow, so is having ME decent? I can read the bots all day and learn what they say. MarvinPA at least implies that hasting then casting ME can be useful....

I just always think there's something I could be doing better than "slow" as a spell effect.

[crate]

why dont you try it and decide for yourself

this is kind of the best way to figure out if spells are good

[prozacelf]

You are totally right crate.

That is actually a good thing to say. I'll never trust the bs about spells thrown around here.

I think mass confusion and tukima's dance are a lot better than the other L5-6 spells. But I'll try to do it.

[prozacelf]

Tried it in wizmode. Seems useful, but probably like something I'd only use to save my ass anyway. Which means I'm too bad a player to realize when I should use it, and I'll just die anyway =)

[Sandman25]

I think it can be useful for invistabbers and Chei worshipers, when they can't cast Haste because of glow/god.

[prozacelf]

Again, I'd rather use MC than ME, especially if if I have hexes trained up. And I'd take Xom before I took Chei as my god

It's more useful than I originally believed, but I'm never going to use it regularly I don't think. Unless one of these MfIEs I've been making makes it far enough to need a spell like that.

[Sandman25]

Again, I'd rather use MC than ME, especially if if I have hexes trained up. And I'd take Xom before I took Chei as my god

It's more useful than I originally believed, but I'm never going to use it regularly I don't think. Unless one of these MfIEs I've been making makes it far enough to need a spell like that.

If you mean Mephitic Cloud as MC, I believe ME is much better vs high HD or rPois monsters.
If Mass Confusion, then I am not sure what's better. ME does not work vs undead but does not check MR

[prozacelf]

I meant Mass Confusion. Running seems like the best plan in either situation though, although mass confusion will at least affect some of the undead.

[prozacelf]

And experience tells me that mass confusion is much more effective than mephitic cloud. Although I could be wrong.

E: I usually have 15+ hexes when i get mass confusion; I rarely have any relevant school above 5 when i get mephitic cloud.