What should my next charachter be?

[ryansee]

hello !

I won yesterday as a mifi my first win ! and heres the dump for it : http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/ryansee/mor ... 190922.txt

If there’s any criticism for that game please tell me. Otherwise I have been having trouble on figuring out what my next character should be that I can go to from my mifi to try to learn and win with. While also figuring out strategies for. Can someone advise me on how should I pick my next character or what should it even be?

[Galefury]

You should have used Heroism a lot more, especially early on.

For your next char you could try a SpEn, DEFE or DDEE for a very different experience. Or maybe some kind of berserker if you only want minor differences in gameplay.

[crate]

i would never recommend a DD to anyone who is looking to have fun

you should play something you find fun

[CEETGEEK]

I've had a bit of luck with a MfGl. You may want to try one, they're a bit of fun.

[khalil]

Mummy wanderer.
On the other hand, if you want something that doesn't suck,I'd suggest DeCj.

[ryansee]

Guys can you explain the combos your mentioning? like how are they played the general strategy?

[kenmtraveller]

You've already won with 'walk up to things and hit them'

SpEn is 'stab things in their sleep' -- train stealth, stabbing, and Hexes.

DEFE, DeCj, and DEEE are 'kill things with magic from a distance' -- train Conjuration and some associated magic skill.

Ken

[khalil]

Deep elf conjurer is cast spells at things from far away.
Mummy wanderer is meander around aimlessly until a monster with fire attacks puts you out of your misery.

[Psieye]

Try a DrTm or a SETm - the melee tactics you've learnt will still mostly be used while you get used to the magic system. Rush to spider form, train up melee UC style, add in the other forms as needed.

[Mankeli]

Try MuBe. A step up in melee characters.

[Frelus]

Mankeli, that is just... evil is not the right word for it.
Wretched.
Hellish.
Something along the lines of that.

[Mankeli]

Mankeli, that is just... evil is not the right word for it.
Wretched.
Hellish.
Something along the lines of that.

I didn't specify how big a step . And I could have suggested MuCK or MuMo. I think MuFi may very well be more difficult too because of the horrible early game. MuBe is actually ok once you get it started. Effective confusion protection with magic res via Trog and BiA spam are nice.

[rebthor]

Try a DrTm or a SETm - the melee tactics you've learnt will still mostly be used while you get used to the magic system. Rush to spider form, train up melee UC style, add in the other forms as needed.

DrTm is probably a little easier due to the higher HP pool. I'd also recommend NaTm since spider form gets you an easy way to remove their biggest weakness.

[prozacelf]

I've had some luck with MfTm too. But DrTm might be easier.

[graffen69]

MuBe of Makhleb can be extremely resiliant if you can survive long enough.
Try SpEn of Ashenzari, DEFE of Vehumet or CeHu of Okawaru. All very easy, all different from your last toon.

Horns a beneficial mutation? WTF???

[prozacelf]

VpEn of Ashenzari or Kiku is a fine alternative for SpEn. You'll be slower and have a lower EV, but have higher Str and more HP. Aptitudes are fairly similar, although vampires are better at hexes and worse at spellcasting. Food will also never be a worry if you take a vampire. Either is a good choice though.

[ryansee]

Ive been trying Ne be it dd or ds or hu. its really hard.

[giygas]

VpEn of Ashenzari or Kiku is a fine alternative for SpEn. You'll be slower and have a lower EV, but have higher Str and more HP. Aptitudes are fairly similar, although vampires are better at hexes and worse at spellcasting. Food will also never be a worry if you take a vampire. Either is a good choice though.

+1 for this. SpEn is always overrated in comparison to VpEn. Not that I've won either , but I have won a 3 rune VpAs which was pretty fun.

[BlackSheep]

It's hard to overrate spriggan speed.

[Sandman25]

SpEn has very easy early game but later it is inferior to most characters with boots of running and Swiftness while being vegetarian makes me do silly things to avoid Haste/Invisibility/ spells with hunger. That's why my SpEn always dies late game

[Magipi]

(...) while being vegetarian makes me do silly things to avoid Haste/Invisibility/ spells with hunger. That's why my SpEn always dies late game

OK, but this is a huge overreaction. There are tons of vega permafood in the game, and spells like Invis or Haste (that are cast only once per fight) do not use much food. The spells to avoid are those that need to be spammed in battle.

[Sandman25]

(...) while being vegetarian makes me do silly things to avoid Haste/Invisibility/ spells with hunger. That's why my SpEn always dies late game

OK, but this is a huge overreaction. There are tons of vega permafood in the game, and spells like Invis or Haste (that are cast only once per fight) do not use much food. The spells to avoid are those that need to be spammed in battle.

Yes, I know I cannot use SpEn efficiently. It looks like I cannot use them even early game anymore, I cannot get used to their fragility after playing fighters/spellcasters for 3 months. I have killed 3 SpEn today
Though I found a successful SpEn of crate (I hope that's ok) so I am following its skill training.

[gooby]

Mummy wanderer.
On the other hand, if you want something that doesn't suck,I'd suggest DeCj.

I am playing a Deep Elf Conjurer right now and like it a lot. A lot more flexible than the Fire Elementalist for one thing.

For instance: I was just out of my depth in the Vaults but my encounter with Azrael and his minions was altogether quite pleasant. Put them all on ice in an instant. If I were a DeFe beating them all would have been considerably harder, other things being equal.

[giygas]

SpEn has very easy early game but later it is inferior to most characters with boots of running and Swiftness while being vegetarian makes me do silly things to avoid Haste/Invisibility/ spells with hunger. That's why my SpEn always dies late game

This is my point. And yes, I overdo the hunger system too. My best SpEn hit the wall in the middle of the Vaults.