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[Fergy]

Does it protect against any other stickies besides sticky flame?

[sgrunt]

Uh... *what* other stickies?

[Mankeli]

Oh my...

[gorbeh]

sticky flame is the only stickable thing in the game i reckon,so no,i doesnt protect you against anything else

[yogaFLAME]

Maybe it should give rPie

[daggaz]

Never did understand the hate that lighter dragon armor gets. The big suits all have very useful resistances (albeit with a pip of countering weakness), while the medium or lighter suits are, with the exception perhaps of the ultra rare pearl dragon armor, so situationally useful as to be completely unimportant regarding resistance. Steam resistance? Please..

Making an item simply mediocre instead of strong + weak does not make it balanced. It makes it useless. See min-maxing vs jack of all trades/master of none in DnD.

It would be nice if mottled dragon armor was +rF -rC, the lowered AC is what balances it for the other classes. As it is on a EV character, I rarely see the benefit of enchanting a suit of mottled armor up vs the inevitable randart items waiting to be found/gifted/purchased. Hell, even a +2 robe of MR is going to be superior for the most part, and this despite that mottled is arguably the best in its class while the MR robe is fairly common. This removes the key alure of enchantment scrolls which is too bad (i save them instead for those boots of running or a cloak of preservation, ie nonrandarts that you know you will wear all the time if you find them).

Even better would be if you could somehow affix an ego to armor, temporarily/permanently ala weapon brand spells and vorpalize scrolls. Or if they actually had a chance of dropping with an ego, maybe a magic after affect or what have you.

[BlackSheep]

You think a robe of magic resistance is better than +6 mottled dragon armor?

[dassem]

Um, does this thread remind anyone else of the caterpillar-dragon from dragon hunters?

Never did understand the hate that lighter dragon armor gets. The big suits all have very useful resistances (albeit with a pip of countering weakness), while the medium or lighter suits are, with the exception perhaps of the ultra rare pearl dragon armor, so situationally useful as to be completely unimportant regarding resistance. Steam resistance? Please..

Making an item simply mediocre instead of strong + weak does not make it balanced. It makes it useless. See min-maxing vs jack of all trades/master of none in DnD.
It would be nice if mottled dragon armor was +rF -rC, the lowered AC is what balances it for the other classes. As it is on a EV character, I rarely see the benefit of enchanting a suit of mottled armor up vs the inevitable randart items waiting to be found/gifted/purchased. Hell, even a +2 robe of MR is going to be superior for the most part, and this despite that mottled is arguably the best in its class while the MR robe is fairly common. This removes the key alure of enchantment scrolls which is too bad (i save them instead for those boots of running or a cloak of preservation, ie nonrandarts that you know you will wear all the time if you find them).

Even better would be if you could somehow affix an ego to armor, temporarily/permanently ala weapon brand spells and vorpalize scrolls. Or if they actually had a chance of dropping with an ego, maybe a magic after affect or what have you.

I'm not sure.
Some of the lighter armours can be good for a caster who is otherwise lacking AC (while lacking the skills to cast Ice Storm in FDA). I like troll leather too. Adding too many resistances would make these overpowered.
Finding a nice artifact MDA can be great:

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 I - the +4 mottled dragon armour "Qodoi" (worn) {rPois rF++ Stlth--}

Although you've got a good point in that I think I nearly always end up in a robe (artifact, archmagi, or resistance).

I like your idea of a "vorpalize" scroll working on armour too. I'm not sure if that would be balanced or exactly how it should work, but I like it.
Extending that thought into a not-entirely-serious suggestion, maybe this should work like weapons? A plain vorpal scroll could add the protection brand, however casting it while in Lich form could add rN+, or rF+ for RoF, or rC+ for Ozcuobo's. (You only get one, with a random choice if multiple apply). LOL!

[daggaz]

Finding a nice artifact <anything> is pretty much the reason the standard suits arent put to use.. and really, a few points of AC is not worth the resistance pip, especially on a character who should be primarily EV if they are even considering mottled dragon armor. Troll regen is a good example of a more useful ego tho, ill give you that. I still dont wear it.

EDIT: for the record, I think I have seen artifact, low EV-penalty dragon armors a grand total of 3 or 4 times.

[daggaz]

You think a robe of magic resistance is better than +6 mottled dragon armor?

Most of the time, yes. Thats on a character with EV at least 30 and usually a fair amount of AC stacked up from everything else. IF you have enough scrolls to stack it to +6, and IF you have other sources of MR, then ok, mottled starts to look good. But more often than not, you dont have at least one of those two things, and a pip of MR gets more and more worth it as the AC bonus drops from +8.

Getting hit in melee is avoidable on so many levels. Getting hit by confusion/banishment/bad_spell_whatever, not so much.

I like a plain old +3 leather armor of rF+ just as much. And I normally find a decent randart before I ever get enough scrolls to max out a MDA.

[yogaFLAME]

ITT: people not understanding how AC works.

[daggaz]

ITT: people not understanding how AC works.

and a fair amount of AC stacked up from everything else

nice of you to dismiss all the other non-ac arguments out of hand tho, it really strengthens your argument ignoring inconvenient facts like that.

[crate]

Steam and mottled dragon armour are both very good (steam dragon armour is not particularly useful because mottled exists and is both more common and better, but if mottled didn't exist then it would be very good).

For some characters a robe of MR is better than MDA, but for most probably not, assuming you can enchant the MDA to +4-ish or more.

(+6 MDA is at least 8 more AC than a +2 robe of MR, usually more like 9 more AC since getting a bit of armour skill is worthwhile in MDA. Ring of robustness is generally much better than a ring of MR.)

[eeviac]

um, MDA is one of the best armours in the game. It doesn't need to give any resistances.

[Fergy]

Uh... *what* other stickies?

I wanted to know if it protected against corona. I guess the answer is no. (But then again, corona may be considered more of a glow effect)

[mumra]

Uh... *what* other stickies?

I wanted to know if it protected against corona. I guess the answer is no. (But then again, corona may be considered more of a glow effect)

I'm wondering if perhaps you need to look "corona" up in the dictionary. Because it has a very specific meaning that's the same both in real life and in Crawl. And I fail to see how anyone could possibly think this had anything to do with sticky substances.

[Fergy]

I'm wondering if perhaps you need to look "corona" up in the dictionary. Because it has a very specific meaning that's the same both in real life and in Crawl. And I fail to see how anyone could possibly think this had anything to do with sticky substances.

Holy bat shit. Are you always a condescending ass hat?

Since crawl is based on real life, I'll use a picture to ask a question.

Is this corona or sticky flame?


I'll assume when you told me to look up corona in the dictionary, that you were referring to a solar corona and not a circumcision scar. If so, this image should meet the requirements for both corona and sticky flame (a powerful sticky flame). However, I understand that the way you picture sticky flame may not be the way I picture it.

Maybe the way you see it is more like this:

This is the way I picture the weaker version of the spell. If this is the way you picture the spell all the time, please answer one more question: Why does the enemy always sticky flame the satchel that contains my scrolls?

[Kate]

what

[eeviac]

Dude I'm pretty sure you're overreacting, maybe you should chill. If you understood what a corona is, you would know that napalm has nothing to do with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona

[mumra]

I apologise, I genuinely did not mean to be condescending but rather informative. A corona more generally refers to a glowing ring of light - you can see this in the astronomical sense, but this also works with the glow you can sometimes observe surrounding a flame - it does not refer to the flame itself. There are many other usages of the word corona, but in pretty much all cases it describes an arc- or ring- shaped feature ... even in the example you brought up of a circumcision scar (although I've been unable to find any source for this definition, at least not in any of the kind of online references I use). So I'm pretty sure there is some sort of misunderstanding here; and the second of the two photos you posted is simply a flame, not a corona. The fact that it's on his head has nothing to do with it (although corona can also mean "a crownlike structure, such as the top of the head" - I have not researched this further but it seems extremely likely that "corona" and "crown" have a shared etymological ancestry).

[yogaFLAME]

ITT: people not understanding how AC works.

and a fair amount of AC stacked up from everything else

nice of you to dismiss all the other non-ac arguments out of hand tho, it really strengthens your argument ignoring inconvenient facts like that.

ok, let me be more specific

Getting hit in melee is avoidable on so many levels.

AC does far more than reduce melee damage.

[Grimm]

Corona is indeed Latin for crown. Hence coronation.

[nago]

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/abandon-thread-gif-cats.gif

The more I see this gif, the more I laugh

[varsovie]

Corona is indeed Latin for crown. Hence coronation.

We need to sticky this thread!

Grimm just wrote something intelligent and informative.


So lets try to compensate, the urban dictionary had this for Corona :

magic liquid that makes every kind of moving object look like a hot girl. side affects may include:
1. waking up next to an ugly girl
2. waking up next to a really ugly girl
3. waking up next to a man
4. waking up next to a tree with a small hole in it
5. waking up next to a combination of the four
Oh man what a night! I actully screwed cameron diaz! it was so good! Why is there corona bottles all over the room? And what the hell is this tree doing here?

We actually need this ! in crawl.

[mumra]

We need to sticky this thread!

Unfortunately that will have no effect on players wearing MDA.

[njvack]

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/abandon-thread-gif-cats.gif

The more I see this gif, the more I laugh

Me too, it is why I am the Least Useful Moderator Ever.

[joellercoaster]

I resemble that remark!

[Grimm]

Any more like that and I'll ban the both of you.