Jesters!

[MIC132]

So, the new, long awaited background is finally in! (in trunk)
Any good strategies? Races to use?
I personally ditch the starting spellbook (got a gift namelex for it), an go full combat-namelexite. Especially since the staff is pretty strong.

[cerebovssquire]

best thing in crawl since ents were removed

[tcjsavannah]

Woo hoo, Jester's dead

[brendan]

Woo hoo, Jester's dead

It's still there.

[MIC132]

But really, is this still the tavern? Where are the discussions about viability of pies. Or what race is best to take jester into extended. Or that we should bring back MD instead of adding new background.

I guess not many people play trunk..

[BlackSheep]

It's been up for like 12 hours. Not many people stop the game they're playing just to start a new one with a class they don't even know is there.

[eeviac]

All the talk happens on ##crawl.

Ditching the starting book is a big mistake IMO. Butterflies and Blink are very powerful survival tools. A Jester should never die to a lone Ogre or Orc Warrior.

[Grimm]

I'd like to thank the devs for finally implementing my proposal.

[battaile]

Just don't take demigod, all the hate from Xom with none of the Nemelex love.

[TehDruid]

The gester jestures at you!

[tcjsavannah]

Woo hoo, Jester's dead

It's still there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmP9b7McyAk

[Mankeli]

I'd like to thank the devs for finally implementing my proposal.

I thought the devs were against class-spesific, manually activated abilities .

[cerebovssquire]

I'm playing a MiJr... had an easy time during the first few levels, but now my starting weapon really sucks (Lair:2). I think I'll switch to maces. Nemelex has been useless as well so far. I sacrifice a ton of corpses and he gives me 2 decks of summoning over the whole game, thanks a lot buddy.

[Grimm]

use acquirement for food, there's a bug that gives you tons of pies and with pies MiJr is unstoppable

[BlackSheep]

I like how the pie description doesn't overtly tell you what it does, but the quote text provides a strong clue.

[TehDruid]

Just won a MiJr (offline, sadly, but w/e) https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7489

[Severemysteryfailure]

Oh god is there a way to download this? I love the dual god action. It's wonderful

[chamiso]

Yeah, it's the current trunk download been playing it all day .

[Severemysteryfailure]

Yeah, it's the current trunk download been playing it all day .

Yeah, but how do I download it? It wasn't on the trunk website, just online. Tried doing the compiling whatever but that's pretty tricky to figure out. People who know what they're doing already probably know how to get it, but that's why I'm asking, 'cause I'm dumb.

[BlackSheep]

Jesters were added to 0.13, and I don't see a downloadable package for that. You can definitely compile your own copy if you want to.

If you're on Windows, you'll want to download msysGit from here: http://msysgit.github.com/
The instructions for getting a copy of the code and compiling it can be found here or in the INSTALL.txt file that comes with download packages.

[diviton]

Okay, I've read all the posts in this topic including the most recent ones and I'm lost on how to download the version with Jesters. I'm quite the opposite of tech savvy, so can somebody walk me through how to get Jesters? Feel free to talk down to me. >.>

[BlackSheep]

Are you using windows? If so, download and install msysGit from the link in my previous post. Once it's installed, browse to the directory (default is c:\msysgit) and run msys.bat. That will start a command prompt window. Run the following:

  Code:

git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git
cd crawl
git submodule update --init
cd crawl-ref/source
make
(or, if you want tiles: make TILES=y)

[Severemysteryfailure]

Perfect! Did those, went into the msysgit folder, crawl.exe was in msysgit/crawl/crawl-ref/source. Thanks a million.

[MIC132]

Then if you want to update just do:

  Code:

cd crawl
git pull
cd crawl-ref/source
make (TILES=y)


I do this almost every day. You don't lose your morgue, saves and other stuff like that.

[cerebovssquire]

A fun way to play Jesters: go Spriggan, drop potion of porridge, sacrifice it to Nemelex, draw a couple cards from the deck of war, receive a gift, voila:

  Code:

_g - a plain deck of cards (in hand) {god gift}
 You draw a card... It is Experience.
 This is a plain deck of wonders {drawn: 1}.
 You feel more experienced.
 Your Evocations skill gained 12 levels and is now at level 14!
 You have reached level 2!


[cerebovssquire]

get ornate decks for improved results:

  Code:

k + Evocations        2.6  ->20.9 +4   

I was gifted a legendary deck earlier... hopefully I can repeat this (if I don't win this game, which is likely ).

[Psieye]

A fun way to play Jesters: go Spriggan, drop potion of porridge, sacrifice it to Nemelex, draw a couple cards from the deck of war, receive a gift, voila:

  Code:

_g - a plain deck of cards (in hand) {god gift}
 You draw a card... It is Experience.
 This is a plain deck of wonders {drawn: 1}.
 You feel more experienced.
 Your Evocations skill gained 12 levels and is now at level 14!
 You have reached level 2!


My brain is a seething cloud of chaos right now... Is there really enough skill points in XL:1->2 to take you up by 12 Evo levels as a Sp?

[nago]

I thought of doing that too - too bad I don't play trunk - and I fear this tactic will be soon nerfed.

[TehDruid]

If you subscribe to the RSS feed of trunk you can get 0.13-a0-70-blahblahblah I think, at least that's how I get my trunk.

[BlackSheep]

My brain is a seething cloud of chaos right now... Is there really enough skill points in XL:1->2 to take you up by 12 Evo levels as a Sp?

Of course not. The card will only grant you one experience level, but the amount of skill experience is variable.

[CommanderC]

Another fun way of playing SpJr: chaos-stabbing!

[rebthor]

How many oldwon Jr will there be at the end of the week?

My prediction is 0.

[gorbeh]

i got 25 in evocations with a spriggan jester,on level 1 of the dungeon,LOL(triple experience card)
it made me feel like a cheater though,and i dont like spriggans a bit,it was more for testing purposes.

suicided

[Psieye]

My KoJr just died to Wild Magic - oneshotted me from full HP. Still, I got my EXP card before so yeah, gotta wonder about this Jr trick of immediately sac'ing your starting permafood.

[Sandman25]

It sounds like Experience card needs a nerf like being unavailable before character reached some XL.

[BlackSheep]

Or, you know, Nemelex in general.

[Pereza0]

They are not a temporary April's Fool thing right?

Please?

[Severemysteryfailure]

This is too much fun. It's too much fun. It never ends

[graffen69]

Are you using windows? If so, download and install msysGit from the link in my previous post. Once it's installed, browse to the directory (default is c:\msysgit) and run msys.bat. That will start a command prompt window. Run the following:

  Code:

git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git
cd crawl
git submodule update --init
cd crawl-ref/source
make
(or, if you want tiles: make TILES=y)

Tried this for a couple hours now, with different git versions but to no avail.
It dl´s everything fine but when i write the last part "make TILES=y" it gives me following respons:
sh exe": make: command not found

Also, cannot seem to find any crawl.exe file
(using Win XP)

Any help appreciated

[Severemysteryfailure]

Did you try version 1.8.1.2? That one worked for me on vista but your mileage may vary. I couldn't reproduce the error unfortunately

[graffen69]

Well, i did try an old version first of Git; 1.7.1 long ago. Didnt work as i had no clue to what to do even by reading the installation files (I´m really bad with puters). So i installed the lastest beta version 1.8.1.2 and it downloaded all the stuff then at the same last line (make TILES=y) got a weird error message.
So i uninstalled both & instead reinstalled 1.7.1.1. This time i got to the "sh exe": make: command" not found.
So i uninstalled it again, and installed 1.8.1.2 one more time. And got the same result.

I am at a complete loss but i get the feeling that maybe the solution is quite simple.
This is all very confusing to me. It kills me to know that this is exactly what i have been looking for, a program that installs the game and then auto updates (sort of) so you don't have to dl every single new dev. build, and change all your personal preferences in the init.txt-file again and again.

Anyway, i just wanna make this work so i´m very grateful for your help and anyone else´s. Meanwhile I am trying to think of what i could have done wrong. Might it have something to do with having 2 different versions of GiT installed at first?

[prozacelf]

Did Xom put the last couple answers in this thread? In that case, Godspeed You Black Emperor! is a great band, and I suspect Ctrl-Alt-Del is the best bet if you're using a Windows based system.

[mumra]

Can I check: you keep saying "git" and not "msysgit" - did you definitely download msysgit (from the link someone gave)? There is a very important difference.

Secondly, did you run msys.bat to get into an msys command line? This is a special command line that should have different colours to the normal Windows one.

Because if you've done these two things then it's very strange that it cannot find "make".

prozacelf: that's not really very helpful and also wildly inaccurate; many of us compile on Windows every day and have no problems whatsoever.

[mumra]

Actually, here's something far more useful:

The 0.13 builds are there, it's just that page hasn't been updated to list them yet.

So here's a link to the latest Windows installer: http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/crawl_setup-0.13-a0-188-g716d182.exe

[prozacelf]

Mumra: Sorry, this thread is appearing on the "Jesters!" thread in the "Dungeon Crawling Advice" area in the Tavern. I was being a bit of an asshole, but I didn't realize it was genuinely being problematic.

EDIT: Also, sorry, graffen69. Don't listen to anything I said above.

[graffen69]

Can I check: you keep saying "git" and not "msysgit" - did you definitely download msysgit (from the link someone gave)? There is a very important difference.

Secondly, did you run msys.bat to get into an msys command line? This is a special command line that should have different colours to the normal Windows one.

Because if you've done these two things then it's very strange that it cannot find "make".

prozacelf: that's not really very helpful and also wildly inaccurate; many of us compile on Windows every day and have no problems whatsoever.

I was wondering why i couldn't find the required bat files and why the git program installed in C:Program: (rather than C:).
That was exactly the reason why it didn´t work.
Thx so much, so glad i finally got this working.
First toon; HEJr here we go.


Prozacelf: No worries, the joke was lost on me anyhow. After all, who has ever heard of Swedish intelligence? It´s a contradiction in terms

Edit: one question; the msysgit prompt should always be kept in the background as i play that version, correct?

[XuaXua]

It sounds like Experience card needs a nerf like being unavailable before character reached some XL.

Skill point applicability reduces based on the amount of skill points you have, so subsequent experience cards should appear to provide fewer skill points.

The first action Experience card basically maximizes the amount received.

[chamiso]

nope, you can close it and just run the executable.

[graffen69]

best thing in crawl since ents were removed

I think u mean "since Mountain Dwarfs were removed"

[tcjsavannah]

Woo hoo, Jester's dead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmP9b7McyAk