Powered by Pain + Guardian Spirit = infinite health?


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Post Tuesday, 14th August 2012, 17:14

Powered by Pain + Guardian Spirit = infinite health?

I assume this doesn't really make you immortal, but Powered by Pain and Guardian Spirit seem like a good combination. Can anyone explain exactly what will happen?
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Post Tuesday, 14th August 2012, 17:42

Re: Powered by Pain + Guardian Spirit = infinite health?

According to the knowledge bots for guardian spirit: "While wearing this amulet, damage you take is divided proportionately between MP and HP. Reduces magic to 0 on wearing. Note that a Deep Dwarf wearing this does not regain mana naturally."

This means that you'll still take hit point damage even if PbP and Guardian Spirit are active, but the rapidly regenerating mana will mean you take less overall hit point damage
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Post Tuesday, 14th August 2012, 22:35

Re: Powered by Pain + Guardian Spirit = infinite health?

This is what makes me angry that powered by pain is a Demonspawn-only mutation. This combo would be wonderful for a DD...or at least much much better than the status quo.
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Post Tuesday, 14th August 2012, 22:50

Re: Powered by Pain + Guardian Spirit = infinite health?

I think the chances of PbP activating are based on the damage you take. Since you're using a guardian amulet, you're reducing the chances of getting mana from PbP. On the plus side, it'll help when you're getting hit by bigger attacks rather than several small ones. (Goddamn yaktaur captains.)
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Post Wednesday, 15th August 2012, 13:17

Re: Powered by Pain + Guardian Spirit = infinite health?

I tested this around in wizmode in zot with a high-powered character. It basically gives you a single extra turn before death. I wouldn't waste the amulet slot.
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Post Monday, 20th August 2012, 02:20

Re: Powered by Pain + Guardian Spirit = infinite health?

I tried this out with a high level DsFi and it didn't make a noticeable difference. Too bad. I wish there were more unusual combos like this that had a big impact on the game.
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Post Tuesday, 21st August 2012, 14:50

Re: Powered by Pain + Guardian Spirit = infinite health?

drag0n wrote: I wish there were more unusual combos like this that had a big impact on the game.


It's funny, I feel almost exactly opposite. One of my favorite things about Crawl is the balance of the game - there are a myriad of interesting combos but very few (if any) of them significantly break open the game. I feel that Crawl pushes about the same no matter what, the difference is how well I pay attention to threats, and how adaptable to opportunities I am as a player that lead to my failure or (rarely) success.
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Post Wednesday, 22nd August 2012, 04:48

Re: Powered by Pain + Guardian Spirit = infinite health?

drag0n wrote:I tried this out with a high level DsFi and it didn't make a noticeable difference. Too bad. I wish there were more unusual combos like this that had a big impact on the game.


"Unusual combos" usually become "go-to strategies" before long...
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Post Tuesday, 28th August 2012, 13:02

Re: Powered by Pain + Guardian Spirit = infinite health?

sardonica wrote:"Unusual combos" usually become "go-to strategies" before long...


I don't think a combo which relies on a random mutation on a single species can become a "go-to strategy". Maybe I'm shortsighted.
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Post Tuesday, 28th August 2012, 13:05

Re: Powered by Pain + Guardian Spirit = infinite health?

It would become a go-to strategy on any demonspawn that got it. Ds players would say "I got powered by pain, time to find an item with guardian spirit on it and be immortal for 95% of the rest of the game!" which really isn't terribly fun or rewarding

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Post Tuesday, 28th August 2012, 13:58

Re: Powered by Pain + Guardian Spirit = infinite health?

Southpaw wrote:It would become a go-to strategy on any demonspawn that got it. Ds players would say "I got powered by pain, time to find an item with guardian spirit on it and be immortal for 95% of the rest of the game!" which really isn't terribly fun or rewarding


I would need to get the mutation, to get a guardian spirit item AND the combo to be a no brainer instead of simly powerful...
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Post Tuesday, 28th August 2012, 14:46

Re: Powered by Pain + Guardian Spirit = infinite health?

In any case, it's not powerful. The extra MP is more likely to save your life by letting you cast spells than by acting as extra HP.
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Post Thursday, 21st April 2016, 13:12

Re: Powered by Pain + Guardian Spirit = infinite health?

It would be pretty broken because you can get gaudian spirit as a Ds mutation too.
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Post Thursday, 21st April 2016, 19:55

Re: Powered by Pain + Guardian Spirit = infinite health?

another one of those bots huh

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Post Friday, 22nd April 2016, 21:43

Re: Powered by Pain + Guardian Spirit = infinite health?

drag0n wrote:I assume this doesn't really make you immortal, but Powered by Pain and Guardian Spirit seem like a good combination. Can anyone explain exactly what will happen?


No more immortal than, say Guardian Spirit plus CBoE, or Guardian Spirit plus vinestalker bite, or guardian spirit plus a giant supply of magic potions (thanks Pakellas!).

Some of the damage is always going to to be HP damage, no matter how much mana you have.
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Post Friday, 22nd April 2016, 22:08

Re: Powered by Pain + Guardian Spirit = infinite health?

gaurdian spirit +VS bite does a LOT of work though.
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