Okawaru Gifts ..seriously? .. advice needed

[Schussel]

I have a smaller problem ...
Playing a Oger Hunter of Trogg/Oka atm, i followed the guide in the wiki (yes, i am that lame) ... having early Oka altar on D:1 i went this way ...

according to buildup i have skills set to focus on maces/fighting and normal to throwing (to reduce loosing big rocks at walls and to up the impact maybe)

Okawaru soon now started gifting .. the issue is ...

with 15 maces/ 9 throwing he almost only gifts needles of all sorts + the occasional large rock ..

with 17 maces/ 11throwing its the same .. solely needles ...

now i switched off the throwing due to a hint of the irc (ty mikee ?)

and he starts to give out Javelins and darts ...

nothing else for the whole game ... no armor no maces ...


i realize to receive armor, i would maybe need to get a troll or dragon armor and raise skill in armour bythen but he doesn't even give hats/robes or other stuff

what do i do wrong or is there a bug/misbehavior regarding thrown objects?

i mean ok a majority of throwables is maybe ok .. but all of the recurring gifts being needles or rocks is abit strange

is there a way to receive something else besides throwables?

  Code:

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.10.2-40-g36e0077 character file.

BoredOne the Warrior (Ogre Hunter)                 Turns: 23140, Time: 02:00:10

HP  80/133       AC  6     Str 24      XL: 12   Next: 76%
MP  11/11        EV 10     Int 10      God: Okawaru [*****.]
Gold 549         SH  0     Dex 10      Spells:  0 memorised, 11 levels left

Res.Fire  : + . .   See Invis. : .    q - +0,+2 giant spiked club
Res.Cold  : + + .   Warding    : . .  Q - +2 robe {rC+ rF+}
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : +    (shield restricted)
Res.Acid. : . . .   Res.Corr.  : .    (helmet restricted)
Res.Poison: .       Clarity    : .    s - +0 elf cloak
Res.Elec. : .       Spirit.Shd : .    (gloves unavailable)
Sust.Abil.: . .     Stasis     : .    (boots unavailable)
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .    i - amulet of conservation
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .    o - ring of protection from magic
Saprovore : + . .   Ctrl.Flight: .    G - ring of protection from cold

@: quite resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy
A: unfitting armour, fast metabolism 1, saprovore 1, tough skin 1
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion


You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is extremely pleased with you.
You are hungry.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 14 of its levels.

You have collected 701 gold pieces.
You have spent 172 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 c - an uncursed flail of distortion
 q - a +0,+2 giant spiked club (weapon)
 y - a +2 blowgun
 P - an uncursed runed spear (quivered)
Missiles
 b - 2 needles of paralysis {god gift}
 h - 5 needles of slowing {god gift}
 t - 5 needles of paralysis {god gift}
 S - 3 needles of sleeping {god gift}
Armour
 s - a +0 elven cloak (worn)
 Q - a +2 robe of resistance (worn)
Magical devices
 g - a wand of fire (9)
 k - a wand of disintegration (3)
 p - a wand of flame {zapped: 3}
 u - a wand of frost {zapped: 4}
 v - a bronze wand
 C - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 6}
 I - a wand of lightning {zapped: 2}
 J - a wand of digging (1)
 M - a wand of fireball {empty}
 R - a wand of polymorph other {zapped: 1}
 T - a wand of fire (5)
Comestibles
 a - 10 honeycombs
 f - 3 meat rations
 j - 4 royal jellies
 x - 3 bread rations
Scrolls
 e - 6 scrolls of remove curse
 m - a scroll of fog
 z - a scroll of noise
 B - a scroll of magic mapping
 H - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon II
Jewellery
 i - an amulet of conservation (around neck)
 o - a ring of protection from magic (right hand)
 r - an uncursed ring of life protection
 w - the ring "Iroasyapsy" {-TELE SInv}
   (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of see invisible]
   
   It prevents most forms of teleportation.
 A - an uncursed ring of fire
 E - an uncursed amulet of faith
 G - a ring of protection from cold (left hand)
 O - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
Potions
 d - 2 potions of agility
 l - 2 potions of restore abilities
 n - 4 potions of brilliance
 D - a potion of invisibility
 F - a potion of slowing
 W - a potion of cure mutation
Books
 Y - a book of Party Tricks   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Summon Butterflies                 Summoning                    1
   Apportation                        Translocation                1
   Projected Noise                    Hexes                        2
   Blink                              Translocation                2
   Alistair's Intoxication            Transmutation/Poison         4


   Skills:
 * Level 17.7 Fighting
 - Level 0.5 Short Blades
 * Level 17.5 Maces & Flails
 - Level 11.7 Throwing
 - Level 2.1 Dodging
 - Level 1.3 Stealth
 * Level 1.4 Shields


You have 11 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (13/27)            Temple (0/1) D:4             Orc (0/4) D:9
   Lair (1/8) D:13       

Altars:
Cheibriados
Okawaru
Zin
Beogh

Shops:
D:11: ?  D:12: [


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are too large for most types of armour.
You have a fast metabolism.
You can tolerate rotten meat.
You have tough skin (AC +1).


Message History

h - 5 needles of slowing {god gift}
You feel sick.
You start resting.
You feel sick.
You are feeling hungry.
You start resting.
You feel sick.
You feel a little better.
You feel sick.
You start resting. You feel sick.
You feel sick.
You feel a little better.
You start resting.
You feel sick.
An adder comes into view.
An adder is nearby!
You feel sick.
You feel better.
The adder moves out of view.
Char dumped successfully.

  *,*********#.**,,
  *,,*,***   #.#*,,
   ,,,,,>**  #(#*,.
 ###*,***,*  #.#*,k
 #.#*** **####.##.%
 #.#      #...(.#%k
 #.#  #####....k%..
 #.#  #........(###
 #@#  #........(...
 #.#  #....(((k..%(
 #.#  #....(....###
##.####........## #
#f.............#  #
##.........#.###  #
##........####    #
#f.........#
##########.#


There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Jozef (D:12)
  A hydra (D:12)
  Erica (D:10)
  Josephine (D:11)
  Erolcha (D:8)
  2 unseen horrors
  Pikel (D:7)
  A hill giant (D:12)
  Joseph (D:10)
  A cyclops (D:12)
  A feature mimic (D:11)
  A hydra skeleton (D:11)
  A wolf spider (D:11)
  Psyche (D:8)
  The ghost of nynaeve the Ruinous, an experienced HECj of Vehumet (D:4)
  2 queen bees
  A troll (D:12)
  Prince Ribbit (D:9)
  A basilisk (D:12)
  A wyvern (D:11)
  14 yaks
  Eustachio (D:4)
  A hippogriff (D:12)
  Grum (D:9)
  2 manticores
  A giant slug zombie (D:10)
  3 vampire mosquitoes (D:12)
  A fire drake (D:12)
  Edmund (D:7)
  An item mimic (D:11)
  4 war dogs (D:9)
  Menkaure (D:5)
  A cyclops zombie (D:11)
  9 orc warriors
  An ice beast (D:13)
  2 slaves (D:7)
  A troll zombie (D:12)
  9 ogres
  A swamp drake (D:9)
  A phantom (D:8)
  11 centaurs
  Sigmund (D:2)
  2 sky beasts (D:8)
  A water moccasin (D:10)
  13 crocodiles
  A big kobold (D:12)
  4 giant frogs
  A gnoll sergeant (D:10)
  A yellow wasp zombie (D:11)
  A basilisk skeleton (D:10)
  2 soldier ant zombies
  12 wights
  65 killer bees
  A big kobold zombie (D:9)
  3 big fish (D:12)
  5 crimson imps
  2 shadows
  A goliath beetle (D:9)
  4 hounds
  7 iguanas
  A big kobold skeleton (D:11)
  2 hound zombies (D:11)
  7 orc priests
  A hound skeleton (D:7)
  2 worker ant zombies
  12 orc wizards
  3 quasits
  4 worker ants
  4 sheep (D:12)
  Jessica (D:2)
  8 jellies
  A mummy (D:6)
  17 gnolls
  8 adders
  An iguana skeleton (D:10)
  A white imp (D:4)
  An adder skeleton (D:8)
  2 giant mites
  3 worms
  A giant eyeball (D:12)
  13 giant geckos
  5 oozes (D:10)
  51 orcs
  8 giant cockroaches
  26 goblins
  25 hobgoblins
  8 jackals
  22 kobolds
  8 quokkas
  4 ball pythons
  16 bats
  16 giant newts
  2 orc skeletons
  A quokka skeleton (D:5)
  19 rats
  A rat skeleton (D:6)
  A rat zombie (D:5)
  2 toadstools
524 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A crimson imp (D:7)
  A worker ant zombie (D:7)
  A giant centipede (Lair:1)
  A gnoll (D:4)
  An orc (D:7)
  A hobgoblin (D:7)
  A jackal (D:5)
  A quokka (D:8)
  A ball python (D:10)
  2 kobolds (D:12)
  A rat (D:9)
  3 fungi (Lair:1)
  2 plants (Lair:1)
  4 toadstools
21 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 545 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | BoredOne, the Ogre Hunter, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 20/20 MP: 0/0
    49 | D:1      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
    63 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth
    73 | D:1      | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru
   139 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 28/28 MP: 1/1
   606 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails
   822 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 30/36 MP: 2/2
   870 | D:1      | Acquired Okawaru's first power
  1010 | D:2      | Noticed Sigmund
  1012 | D:2      | Killed Sigmund
  1012 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing
  1012 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 45/45 MP: 3/3
  1122 | D:2      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 48/53 MP: 4/4
  1192 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  1408 | D:2      | Noticed Jessica
  1410 | D:2      | Killed Jessica
  2049 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 62/62 MP: 5/5
  2157 | D:3      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  2752 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails
  2840 | D:4      | Noticed nynaeve's ghost (experienced HECj)
  2854 | D:4      | Killed nynaeve's ghost
  2854 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting
  2854 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 48/70 MP: 3/6
  3356 | D:4      | Noticed Eustachio
  3373 | D:4      | Noticed a shadow
  3377 | D:4      | Killed a shadow
  3604 | D:4      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  3800 | D:4      | Killed Eustachio
  3800 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Fighting
  3800 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  3988 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4244 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 52/80 MP: 4/7
  4398 | D:5      | Noticed Menkaure
  4401 | D:5      | Killed Menkaure
  4803 | D:5      | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting
  6319 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 89/91 MP: 8/8
  6444 | D:6      | Reached skill level 9 in Fighting
  7083 | D:6      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  7436 | D:7      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  7438 | D:7      | Noticed Edmund
  7447 | D:7      | Killed Edmund
  7679 | D:7      | Noticed Pikel
  7690 | D:7      | Killed Pikel
  7690 | D:7      | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
  8199 | D:7      | Acquired Okawaru's second power
  8905 | D:8      | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails
  9107 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 95/102 MP: 9/9
  9345 | D:8      | Noticed Erolcha
  9350 | D:8      | Killed Erolcha
  9350 | D:8      | Reached skill level 11 in Fighting
  9559 | D:8      | Noticed Psyche
  9563 | D:8      | Killed Psyche
  9653 | D:8      | Received a gift from Okawaru
 10064 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 10084 | D:9      | Noticed a queen bee
 10097 | D:9      | Killed a queen bee
 10097 | D:9      | Reached skill level 12 in Fighting
 10436 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 52/114 MP: 10/10
 10440 | D:9      | Reached skill level 13 in Fighting
 10931 | D:9      | Noticed Grum
 10958 | D:9      | Killed Grum
 11622 | D:9      | Received a gift from Okawaru
 11700 | D:9      | Noticed Prince Ribbit
 11712 | D:9      | Killed Prince Ribbit
 12002 | D:9      | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 12601 | D:9      | Received a gift from Okawaru
 12816 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 12990 | D:10     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 13469 | D:10     | Reached skill level 14 in Fighting
 13511 | D:10     | Got a dull large shield
 13521 | D:10     | Identified the cursed +8 shield of Ignorance (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)
 14444 | D:10     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 14667 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Throwing
 14866 | D:10     | Noticed Joseph
 14878 | D:10     | Killed Joseph
 15157 | D:10     | Noticed Erica
 15163 | D:10     | Killed Erica
 15293 | D:11     | Noticed Josephine
 15293 | D:11     | Noticed a four-headed hydra skeleton
 15301 | D:11     | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
 15308 | D:11     | Killed Josephine
 15308 | D:11     | Reached skill level 15 in Maces & Flails
 15308 | D:11     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 101/128 MP: 11/11
 15312 | D:11     | Killed a four-headed hydra skeleton
 15848 | D:11     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 16304 | D:11     | Found Difizu's Magic Scroll Emporium.
 16338 | D:11     | Bought a scroll of fear for 38 gold pieces
 16338 | D:11     | Bought a scroll of identify for 22 gold pieces
 16338 | D:11     | Bought a scroll of identify for 22 gold pieces
 16338 | D:11     | Bought a scroll of identify for 22 gold pieces
 16338 | D:11     | Bought a scroll of identify for 22 gold pieces
 16338 | D:11     | Bought a scroll of identify for 22 gold pieces
 17098 | D:11     | Got a transparent jade ring
 17579 | D:12     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 17631 | D:12     | Reached skill level 16 in Fighting
 18053 | D:12     | Found Ettudeh's Antique Armour Shop.
 18062 | D:12     | Bought an embroidered robe for 24 gold pieces
 18293 | D:12     | Noticed Jozef
 18308 | D:12     | Killed Jozef
 20192 | D:12     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 20436 | D:12     | Reached skill level 17 in Fighting
 20669 | D:12     | Identified the ring "Iroasyapsy" (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon)
 20793 | D:12     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 20851 | D:12     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
 21527 | D:13     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 21561 | D:13     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 21881 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 21989 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 22954 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Okawaru


[Cedor]

With low piety, and throwing over 8, Oka will give you tons of missile. Maybe you should wait some gifts before going over 8 in throwing.

[Schussel]

piety is maxed since ages ..and even then throwing was not above 8

well nvm .. he finally gave one -1 hat then it was over due to mass influx of death yaks .. still a very strange behavior

[Dustbin]

Okawaru : god of darts and animal skins.

[Jabberwocky]

And cursed artifacts with +mut.

[cursednobleman]

@leardb

armour acquirement:

1. Picks an armour type (includes shield) that you can currently wear. If it picks body armour, has a low (about 20%) to make random dragon armour, else makes a body armour type randomly weighted by your skills (25% chance of CPA instead of plate).

2.If it picks a brand you've seen, tries a few times to reroll it. If it made something plain it'll make a plain armour filling an empty slot.



So don't expect dragon armour. I think that lining up multiple armour acquirements hurts expectations anyhow. In my experience, the best items will probably be found on the floor and Okawaru or Trog will give me 1 or 2 things worth keeping until the endgame. If you're trying to play a giant spiked club ogre, you're best bet is following trog for his pure weapon acquirements and trying to slaughter dragons for their precious hides. Otherwise, there's always Malkheb.


*In all fairness Okawaru has always been great about giving me hats, boots, and gloves. Maybe hes metro or a TLC reality show host.

[Schussel]

ok thank you for clearing it abit up ...

so he is a jerk after all

[Jabberwocky]

Not actually a jerk, he's just a old guy going through his attic tossing out old stuff he doesn't need anymore.

[TehDruid]

Not actually a jerk, he's just a old guy going through his attic tossing out old stuff he doesn't need anymore.

Another entry for the Crawl Bingo... Overused knowledge bots jokes.

[giygas]

I tried oku once with a spriggan enchanter. His first artifact gift was the robe of misfortune.

[smock]

The trick to getting good Oka gifts is to gain piety quickly. It's not that the gifts are better, it's just that you get more of them. So, regenerate instead of resting, if possible. Use an amulet of faith if you find one.

[XuaXua]

Scrolls of Acquirement are so rare they shouldn't give a +0 Gloves just because you haven't yet found gloves.

[XuaXua]

How the hell are you getting +0 gloves? I always get -2 gloves.

Lucky, I guess? But seriously, Scrolls of Acquirement aren't Okawaru or Trog. If I wanted guaranteed shit gifts, I'd join them.
Knowing you have to find all forms of armour before using armour acquirement from a scroll of acquirement is spoilery, and nowhere near equal to the choice of just asking for gold.

[dassem]

I nearly started a thread on this topic too.
I have been trying a magic-based high-elf with long-blades and archery as support, picking Oka for the gifts. I tried this offline, during travel, and had fun; so I tried to repeat the success online. Offline the highlight was (IIRC) finding an amulet of faith, then the vault with the dead minotaurs, axes, and beef-jerky soon after a very early altar. I think the high-level corpses got me from very little piety to my first gift in one easy step. Cool artifact robes, cloaks, and swords were showered upon me.
My first online try was a different story. I let bows get too high and all I got was arrows. This was so annoying that eventually I suicided by holding tab for some arrows of dispersion (god gift) until surrounded. I guess Oka approved.
I tried again, keeping stealth and dodging high and had better luck, although nothing much compared to my offline game. Later, I got a couple of levels of armor that resulted in a gifted platemail that I could barely lift, let alone wear.
So the key seems to be to keep strict control of your skills and to be lucky.