Does UC affect headbutt?
Posted: Saturday, 28th July 2012, 23:23MiBe here. Just wondering if I should bother training my UC for a headbutt. I'm XL 16, cleared D to 18, finished Lair and OM, plugging through shoals now, Swamp is next.
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Posted: Saturday, 28th July 2012, 23:23Re: Does UC affect headbutt?
Posted: Saturday, 28th July 2012, 23:44UC has no effect on it at all. Your strength and dexterity affect how likely you are to get a headbutt (with dexterity being the bigger factor), though.
Re: Does UC affect headbutt?
Posted: Tuesday, 31st July 2012, 13:49You get a headbutt when you evade, so dex helps most, but its a small bonus so you should put your points in str for armor (or int if you plan on casting)
Re: Does UC affect headbutt?
Posted: Tuesday, 31st July 2012, 14:06Oh, that would have been good to know for my last Minotaur, when I put like 20 levels into UC, thinking it might help. However, I only did that once I had other skills pretty far along.
Re: Does UC affect headbutt?
Posted: Wednesday, 1st August 2012, 04:11I think it is spoilery to know you DO NOT need unarmed skill to enhance the natural "unarmed/non-weapon" attacks.
The skill is misleadingly named.
The simplest resolution to this would be to rename it to what it actually applies to: fists/teeth+claws/tentacles+beak depending on the species.
The skill is misleadingly named.
The simplest resolution to this would be to rename it to what it actually applies to: fists/teeth+claws/tentacles+beak depending on the species.
Re: Does UC affect headbutt?
Posted: Wednesday, 1st August 2012, 04:32Probably UC's offhand punch should go away and then the skill description doesn't have to mention it and confuse people.
Note that getting a retaliation headbutt is minotaur-specific; horns in general will give you headbutts when you attack and I think str/dex will affect the chance in both cases.
Note that getting a retaliation headbutt is minotaur-specific; horns in general will give you headbutts when you attack and I think str/dex will affect the chance in both cases.
Re: Does UC affect headbutt?
Posted: Tuesday, 7th August 2012, 13:24XuaXua wrote:I think it is spoilery to know you DO NOT need unarmed skill to enhance the natural "unarmed/non-weapon" attacks.
The skill is misleadingly named.
The simplest resolution to this would be to rename it to what it actually applies to: fists/teeth+claws/tentacles+beak depending on the species.
Wait...so are those the 'auxiliary attacks' listed on the UC page?
UC confuses me : /
Re: Does UC affect headbutt?
Posted: Tuesday, 7th August 2012, 15:47robotron1971 wrote:Wait...so are those the 'auxiliary attacks' listed on the UC page?
UC confuses me : /
Unarmed combat used to factor into auxiliary attacks from talons, horns, etc. This was changed because it made auxiliary attacks completely worthless for anybody not using unarmed combat as their main skill. Pick swords, and your horns or talons were useless.
Now auxiliary attacks from your other limbs just do a relevant amount of damage that doesn't scale with any particular skill. They'll be useful regardless which type of melee combat you're training.
Re: Does UC affect headbutt?
Posted: Tuesday, 7th August 2012, 18:35KoboldLord wrote:Now auxiliary attacks from your other limbs just do a relevant amount of damage that doesn't scale with any particular skill. They'll be useful regardless which type of melee combat you're training.
Shouldn't them be tied directly to Fighting, instead?
Re: Does UC affect headbutt?
Posted: Tuesday, 7th August 2012, 18:45So, what's UC worth for ?
Re: Does UC affect headbutt?
Posted: Tuesday, 7th August 2012, 18:51Herode2 wrote:So, what's UC worth for ?
Fighting with no weapons?
Re: Does UC affect headbutt?
Posted: Tuesday, 7th August 2012, 18:54Damn it ! I should have guessed 
Re: Does UC affect headbutt?
Posted: Friday, 10th August 2012, 14:44Fighting with no weapons
...with the speed of light, hitting a few times in a single attack,dealing the highest possible raw unenchanced damage.
PS:I love Minotaur-monks ^^