SpEn + Dagger of distortion = ?

Wednesday, 18th July 2012, 02:17 by giygas

I have a spriggan enchanter that's playing a relatively normal game (I'll attach the dump at the end). I found a dagger of electocution early on, so I've been using it for both stabs and melee. I then found a dagger of distortion with a high enchantment, courtesy of psyche. I haven't worn it yet, but it seems like it would be useful for anything I was having trouble stabbing. After reading the wiki, however, I'm quite hesitant, because I'm afraid of having to fight nasty uniques in the abyss, and I'm scared of unequipping those damned things. On the other side, I'm a spriggan, so I can escape from pretty much any unique, and just avoid TRJ (not Lom Lobon, but I'm not planning on a 15 runer. So, what do you think I should do?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.11-a0-2875-g549b221 (tiles) character file. Aroul the Infuser (Spriggan Enchanter) Turns: 20075, Time: 01:30:21 HP 51/51 AC 10 Str 4 XL: 12 Next: 17% MP 33/34 EV 13 Int 20 God: Gold 637 SH 12 Dex 19 Spells: 5 memorised, 23 levels left Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : + y - +1,-1 dagger (elec) Res.Cold : + . . Warding : . e - +1 mottled dragon armour Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . p - +0 buckler Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . (helmet restricted) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . k - +2 dwarf cloak Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (gloves unavailable) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (boots unavailable) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . (no amulet) Saprovore : . . . Levitation : . d - ring of levitation Ctrl.Flight: . j - ring of protection from fire @: very quick, quite resistant to hostile enchantments, quite stealthy A: unfitting armour, claws 1, talons 1, see invisible, cold resistance 1, herbivore 3, speed 3, slow metabolism 2, evolution 1, Dex +1 a: Evoke Levitation You are on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts. You are very full. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 17 of its levels. You have collected 617 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons b - a +4,+3 dagger of distortion (quivered) {Psyche} y - a +1,-1 dagger of electrocution (weapon) Armour e - a +1 mottled dragon armour (worn) k - a +2 dwarven cloak (worn) p - a +0 buckler (worn) Magical devices a - a wand of fireball {zapped: 3} r - an encrusted copper wand x - a fluorescent wand Comestibles B - a choko C - a pear Scrolls f - a scroll of fear g - a scroll of fog i - a scroll of teleportation l - a scroll of magic mapping o - 2 scrolls of identify q - a scroll labeled LUQIZA LEEHO u - a scroll of vulnerability A - a scroll labeled FRINON ONNUOZIT Jewellery c - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities d - a ring of levitation (right claw) j - a ring of protection from fire (left claw) Potions h - 2 potions of heal wounds m - a potion of speed n - a potion of curing s - a cyan potion v - a potion of restore abilities w - a brown potion z - a potion of agility Books t - a papyrus book Skills: - Level 1.1 Short Blades - Level 1.1 Throwing + Level 0.5 Armour + Level 3.4 Dodging + Level 5.0 Stealth - Level 10.2 Stabbing - Level 0.1 Shields + Level 12.0 Spellcasting + Level 9.7 Hexes + Level 12.9 Charms + Level 9.5 Ice Magic You have 23 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Corona Hex #######. 1% 1 None b - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice ####### 1% 2 None c - Sure Blade Hex/Chrm #######... 1% 2 None d - Confuse Hex #######.. 1% 3 None e - Enslavement Hex #######.. 2% 4 #...... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (12/27) Temple (0/1) D:4 Orc (0/4) D:8 Lair (5/8) D:12 Swamp: Lair:3-6 Shoals: Lair:3-6 Snake: Lair:3-6 Spider: Lair:3-6 Altars: Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Zin Shops: D:9: ! Annotations D:2 Ijyb D:3 Sigmund D:10 8 exclusions, Josephine Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are tiny and cannot use many weapons and most armour. You have supernaturally acute eyesight. You are a herbivore. You cover ground extremely quickly. You need consume almost no food. You have sharp fingernails. You have sharp toenails. You are agile (Dex +1). Your flesh is cold resistant. You evolve. Message History Magic restored. A giant frog comes into view. Move the cursor to view the level map, or type ? for a list of commands. Returning to the game... Casting: Ensorcelled Hibernation Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Ensorcelled Hibernation Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - giant frog Aim: a giant frog (hasn't noticed you) The giant frog struggles to resist. The giant frog closely misses you. Casting: Ensorcelled Hibernation Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Ensorcelled Hibernation Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - giant frog Aim: a giant frog The giant frog looks drowsy... The helpless giant frog fails to defend itself. You skewer the giant frog like a kebab!!! There is a sudden explosion of sparks! You kill the giant frog! .....#######P....f# ### ...............#..## ......##..####P....# .....+.........#.#.# ......PP#.##.#.#.#.##### .....#########.#.......# .....# #..<......# ##...# #.#.P.##..# ####.## ###...#.P##.## ......# ##.#.#.#..#...# .....## #...@#.....#.## ......# #........#...## ......# #.##.P.......f# ......# ##P#..f.....#.## ......# #.....#.f.....# .....## ##.#......#...# #.#### #.##.........## ### #..#.?.#.#...P# #.##.#.......## ##....#.P...P..# There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures An unseen horror (D:11) Erolcha (D:12) 5 hill giants Pikel (D:6) A cyclops (D:12) Psyche (D:11) 2 spiny frogs 2 komodo dragons A two-headed ogre (D:10) A queen bee (Lair:3) 2 trolls A wyvern (D:11) A wraith (D:12) Eustachio (D:7) 2 hippogriffs A hungry ghost (D:12) 9 yaks Grum (D:11) A steam dragon (D:12) 5 war dogs Edmund (D:7) 2 manticores Menkaure (D:7) 3 slaves (D:6) 4 orc warriors A sky beast (D:10) 5 ice beasts 5 ogres 3 phantoms 4 centaurs 4 crocodiles (Lair:1) 2 yellow wasp zombies A centaur zombie (D:10) 2 gnoll sergeants (D:6) 4 water moccasins 2 giant slugs 8 giant frogs An agate snail (Lair:1) A killer bee zombie (D:11) 6 jellyfish (D:7) A vampire bat (D:8) 34 killer bees 4 crimson imps 2 gnoll shamans 3 goliath beetles 2 big kobold skeletons 9 hounds 4 shadows 7 big fish (D:7) 6 orc priests 8 orc wizards 5 porcupines 9 iguanas A scorpion (D:12) 6 worker ants 2 sheep (Lair:3) Jessica (D:2) 9 jellies Terence (D:3) A mummy (D:7) 12 adders 14 green rats 24 gnolls An iguana skeleton (D:4) 3 giant centipedes A giant mite (D:6) 4 worms 2 spectral bats (D:8) 4 bat skeletons A bat zombie (D:8) 3 fire bats (D:8) 2 giant eyeballs 4 giant geckos 27 orcs 3 ball pythons 28 bats 4 giant cockroaches 8 goblins 20 hobgoblins 16 kobolds 10 quokkas A bat simulacrum (D:8) 2 giant gecko skeletons 7 giant newts A hobgoblin skeleton (D:9) A hobgoblin zombie (D:8) 9 jackals 2 kobold skeletons (D:4) A kobold zombie (D:6) An orc skeleton (D:5) 2 quokka skeletons (D:5) 18 rats 7 toadstools 458 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A gnoll (D:6) A jackal (D:6) 2 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A small abomination (D:6) A slave (D:6) A kobold (D:3) A fungus (Lair:3) A plant (Lair:3) 55 toadstools 60 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 520 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Aroul, the Spriggan Enchanter, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 9/9 MP: 4/4 66 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 7/13 MP: 7/7 1160 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 16/16 MP: 10/10 1492 | D:2 | Noticed Jessica 1728 | D:2 | Noticed Ijyb 2279 | D:3 | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation 2282 | D:3 | Learned a level 2 spell: Sure Blade 2287 | D:3 | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse 2296 | D:3 | Upgraded the game from 0.11-a0-2841-g5926e43 to 0.11-a0-2875-g549b221 2414 | D:3 | Noticed an ogre 2565 | D:3 | Noticed Sigmund 2910 | D:3 | Noticed Terence 2929 | D:3 | Killed Terence 2929 | D:3 | Reached skill level 4 in Spellcasting 3100 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic 3100 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 21/21 MP: 11/14 4011 | D:2 | Killed Jessica 4294 | D:4 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 22/24 MP: 18/18 4325 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 4555 | D:4 | Noticed a phantom 4823 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 4903 | D:4 | Gained mutation: You evolve. [potion of mutation] 4903 | D:4 | Gained mutation: Your flesh is cold resistant. [potion of mutation] 4903 | D:4 | Gained mutation: You are agile (Dex +1). [potion of mutation] 5264 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Spellcasting 5439 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms 5439 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 26/28 MP: 11/21 5751 | D:4 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 6073 | D:4 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 6185 | D:4 | Killed a phantom 6351 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 6806 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 32/32 MP: 19/22 6874 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Stabbing 7365 | D:5 | Reached skill level 7 in Stabbing 7673 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Charms 7758 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 33/36 MP: 10/24 7805 | D:6 | Reached skill level 8 in Stabbing 7904 | D:6 | Noticed Pikel 7952 | D:6 | Gained mutation: You have sharp toenails. [evolution] 8139 | D:6 | Killed Pikel 8139 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Stabbing 8186 | D:6 | Your ally freed slave died 8642 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 21/39 MP: 14/26 9478 | D:6 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 9722 | D:7 | Noticed Menkaure 9744 | D:7 | Killed Menkaure 10059 | D:7 | Noticed Edmund 10300 | D:7 | Killed Edmund 10381 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Ice Magic 10466 | D:7 | Noticed Eustachio 10472 | D:7 | Killed Eustachio 10727 | D:7 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 44/44 MP: 21/27 11998 | D:8 | Learned a level 4 spell: Enslavement 12488 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 12804 | D:9 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 13072 | D:9 | Found Foledyh's Distillery. 13109 | D:9 | Noticed a glowing angel 13110 | D:9 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 13189 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 13211 | D:10 | Noticed Josephine 13330 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Charms 13723 | D:10 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 13859 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 13865 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 13865 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 14137 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 14140 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 14140 | D:10 | Reached skill level 11 in Charms 14140 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 47/47 MP: 30/30 14748 | D:11 | Noticed Grum 14805 | D:11 | Killed Grum 15408 | D:11 | Noticed Psyche 15412 | D:11 | Killed Psyche 15418 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 15428 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 15738 | D:12 | Noticed a hill giant 15753 | D:12 | Killed a hill giant 15760 | D:12 | Reached skill level 12 in Charms 15768 | D:12 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting 15949 | D:11 | Noticed an unseen horror 15955 | D:11 | Killed an unseen horror 16097 | D:12 | Noticed Erolcha 16104 | D:12 | Killed Erolcha 16252 | D:12 | Noticed a hill giant 16265 | D:12 | Killed a hill giant 16467 | D:12 | Gained mutation: You have sharp fingernails. [evolution] 16662 | D:12 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 16840 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 18646 | Lair:3 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 18753 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 51/51 MP: 30/33 19502 | Lair:3 | You fall through a shaft! 20032 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth

Wednesday, 18th July 2012, 02:36 by KoboldLord

I'm not sure why you'd be worried about the backlash for unwielding the dagger. Why would you want to unwield it? You don't have anything worth swapping to, and you're not going to find a higher-damaging brand than distortion. It's also on a good stabbing tool, so you don't have to switch for that. One thing to watch out for is accidentally blinking away ranged attackers, but you should probably Confuse them or something rather than fighting them fairly anyway.

Wednesday, 18th July 2012, 03:13 by danr

Yeah, Distortion is a kick-ass brand. As an enchanter, you don't even have as much of a use for staves, which is the other thing you might switch to.

This won't affect plans for a 15 runer. If you get that far, you'll be strong enough that a potential trip to the Abyss is an inconvenience at most. Or you'll be sent to the abyss by something else anyway, and then you can unwield it once you're there.

Wednesday, 18th July 2012, 03:37 by giygas

KoboldLord wrote:I'm not sure why you'd be worried about the backlash for unwielding the dagger. Why would you want to unwield it? You don't have anything worth swapping to, and you're not going to find a higher-damaging brand than distortion. It's also on a good stabbing tool, so you don't have to switch for that. One thing to watch out for is accidentally blinking away ranged attackers, but you should probably Confuse them or something rather than fighting them fairly anyway.

I'm worried about being forced into a fight with, say, TRJ, in the abyss. I can avoid him, but I might get stuck, and the abyss is anti-blink.

Also, I'm worried about getting one-shotted by unwielding the dagger. Spriggans have very low HP, so it might be killed by the backlash.

Well, I've decided to wear it, for better or worse.

Wednesday, 18th July 2012, 03:39 by pratamawirya

Well, you're not going for 15 runes, so why bother fighting TRJ and other uniques in the Abyss?

Wednesday, 18th July 2012, 03:55 by KoboldLord

Attempting to reach The Royal Jelly in the first place is much, much more dangerous than unwielding a weapon of distortion. By that point unwielding will be a nuisance and not much more.

Wednesday, 18th July 2012, 12:54 by njvack

Also, as you're not worshipping any god yet, you could always follow Lugonu, which would make any trip to the Abyss even easier for your rapid little spriggan. Try and find or acquire a quickblade, get it distortion-blessed, and banish everything.

Also: you'll want to train short blades to get to minimum delay, well, now.

Wednesday, 18th July 2012, 13:02 by cerebovssquire

Training short blades to minimum delay now would be a mistake. First, you really want Dodging and Stealth at 10, a bit more Stabbing (12-15) and Invisibility castable (10-15% failure).

Wednesday, 18th July 2012, 13:32 by njvack

Hm, I thought you'd want min delay to get as many distortion attacks in as possible. But that presupposes using your SpEn to melee stuff, which is probably not a great survival plan... :/

Wednesday, 18th July 2012, 15:48 by BlackSheep

SpEn's mainly rely on stabbing for damage. That or they disable enemies by confusing them. Min delay becomes a "nice to have" rather than a necessity.

Thursday, 19th July 2012, 10:46 by ldierk

giygas wrote:
KoboldLord wrote:I'm not sure why you'd be worried about the backlash for unwielding the dagger. Why would you want to unwield it? You don't have anything worth swapping to, and you're not going to find a higher-damaging brand than distortion. It's also on a good stabbing tool, so you don't have to switch for that. One thing to watch out for is accidentally blinking away ranged attackers, but you should probably Confuse them or something rather than fighting them fairly anyway.

I'm worried about being forced into a fight with, say, TRJ, in the abyss. I can avoid him, but I might get stuck, and the abyss is anti-blink.

Also, I'm worried about getting one-shotted by unwielding the dagger. Spriggans have very low HP, so it might be killed by the backlash.

Well, I've decided to wear it, for better or worse.

You're XL12. Why are you concerned about a fight you won't do until you' re ~XL27. It's not like you have to wear the dagger all game.

Thursday, 19th July 2012, 23:10 by giygas

Well, it just died anyway so

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