General Help With DEWz Survival

Saturday, 16th November 2019, 16:50 by EatsDungeonBats

Is there something I'm doing generally wrong, like not managing skills well, or bad tactics like being too aggressive with hand-to-hand combat with my fragile Deep Elf, or not upgrading my armor enough? Is there a way to avoid those situations where one wrong move = death, or to figure out what the one right move is?

As you can see, I can't seem to make it past XL 10-11. I've played many more games (too many, probably), but this performance is fairly typical. Just when I feel like the character is starting to get some good spells in combination with armor, weapons, jewelry, etc. I fall into a trap, drop 3 floors, and get hammered by nasties.

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Here's some details from some of these better runs:

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.24.0-1-gfbc8707 (webtiles) character file. Game seed: 8368574389969884528, levelgen mode: deterministic 12949 PlasticMonster the Thaumaturge (level 11, -8/56 HPs) Began as a Deep Elf Wizard on Nov 16, 2019. Was an Elder of Vehumet. Mangled by Snorg (11 damage) ... on level 12 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 00:51:01 (16338 turns). PlasticMonster the Thaumaturge (Deep Elf Wizard) Turns: 16338, Time: 00:51:02 Health: -8/56 AC: 5 Str: 5 XL: 11 Next: 69% Magic: 3/40 EV: 13 Int: 26 God: Vehumet [****..] Gold: 835 SH: 0 Dex: 13 Spells: 21/39 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis + f - +7 short sword (chaos) rCold . . . Gourm . (no shield) rNeg . . . Faith . p - +0 troll leather armour rPois + Spirit . K - +0 hat {SInv} rElec . Reflect . c - scarf {repulsion} rCorr . Harm . (no gloves) MR +.... E - +0 pair of boots {Fly} Stlth ++........ (no amulet) HPRegen 0.58/turn o - ring of poison resistance MPRegen 0.27/turn I - ring of magical power @: flying, repel missiles A: no striking features a: Renounce Religion, Stop Flying You were on level 12 of the Dungeon. You worshipped Vehumet. Vehumet was greatly pleased with you. You were hungry. You visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and saw 13 of its levels. You also visited: Bailey. You collected 835 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand Weapons f - a +7 short sword of chaos (weapon) Armour c - a scarf of repulsion (worn) p - a +0 troll leather armour (worn) E - a +0 pair of boots of flying (worn) K - a +0 hat of see invisible (worn) Jewellery o - a ring of poison resistance (left hand) s - an uncursed ring of stealth {unknown} w - an uncursed ring of see invisible C - a +3 ring of evasion I - a ring of magical power (right hand) Wands b - a wand of random effects (39) g - a wand of iceblast (10) q - a wand of digging (14) A - a wand of polymorph (9) H - a wand of paralysis (3) Scrolls e - 4 scrolls of fog h - 4 scrolls of magic mapping i - 2 scrolls of immolation j - 2 scrolls of teleportation m - 2 scrolls of holy word u - a scroll of blinking v - a scroll of noise {unknown} y - 5 scrolls of amnesia B - a scroll of fear J - a scroll of vulnerability {unknown} Potions a - 2 potions of lignification k - 3 potions of brilliance {unknown} l - a potion of agility r - a potion of degeneration {unknown} x - a potion of berserk rage {unknown} z - 2 potions of curing G - a potion of haste {unknown} Miscellaneous F - a phantom mirror Comestibles d - 14 rations Skills: * Level 1.1 Fighting * Level 2.4 Short Blades + Level 2.9 Armour + Level 4.2 Dodging + Level 3.3 Stealth * Level 14.9 Spellcasting * Level 10.1 Conjurations + Level 1.1 Summonings Level 1.1 Translocations * Level 6.1 Fire Magic * Level 5.1 Air Magic * Level 7.0 Poison Magic You had 21 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj #### 1% 1 None b - Bolt of Fire Conj/Fire ######.... 7% 6 ####... c - Call Imp Summ ####.... 4% 2 None d - Mephitic Cloud Conj/Pois/Air ######.. 1% 3 None e - Conjure Flame Conj/Fire ######.. 1% 3 None t - Stone Arrow Conj/Erth #####. 1% 3 None Your spell library contained the following spells: Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger Blink Tloc N/A 4% 2 None Slow Hex ###..... 7% 2 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (12/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Lair (0/6) D:9 Orc (0/2) D:9 Bailey (visited) Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Hepliaklqana Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Uskayaw Vehumet Wu Jian Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Shops: D:6 ! D:10 ? Annotations: D:5 1 runed translucent door, dyami's ghost, novice TrMo D:12 Snorg Message History Snorg rages. Snorg is engulfed in blazing flames. Casting: Bolt of Fire (slightly dangerous; 7% risk of failure) Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Bolt of Fire (slightly dangerous; 7% risk of failure) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - Snorg Aim: Snorg (severely wounded, berserk, fast, unusually strong) The bolt of fire misses Snorg. Snorg bites you! Snorg claws you. Snorg claws you! Casting: Bolt of Fire (slightly dangerous; 7% risk of failure) Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Bolt of Fire (slightly dangerous; 7% risk of failure) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - Snorg Aim: Snorg (severely wounded, berserk, fast, unusually strong) The bolt of fire hits Snorg!! Snorg is almost dead. Snorg bites you!! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * Snorg claws you! You die... # #..######..# ###.###..# #..# .........######..# #####...........# #..#######..# #..# #..# #.### #(## #..# ......#####.# #..# #.☼T@...# #..# ########..# #..# ..........# ..# ########.## #.# #.# #.# #(# ... You could see Snorg (berserk). Vanquished Creatures Gastronok (D:10) A hydra (D:11) 3 ugly things Psyche (D:10) A gargoyle (D:11) A kobold demonologist (D:11) A komodo dragon (D:9) 2 trolls A hippogriff (D:7) Sigmund (D:3) A spriggan (D:9) A hog (D:12) 9 yaks (D:11) 3 hungry ghosts (D:9) A sky beast (D:9) An ice beast (D:8) 3 orc warriors 4 black bears A hornet zombie (D:11) A necrophage (D:8) 4 centaurs 2 ogres Blork the orc (D:4) 3 bullfrogs (D:9) 3 big kobolds 10 gnoll sergeants 3 scorpions A water moccasin zombie (D:5) 2 troll zombies (D:9) 3 killer bees (D:11) 4 wights (D:11) An electric eel (D:9) 9 howler monkeys A lava snake (D:9) 5 crimson imps 2 bullfrog zombies 10 hounds 4 orc priests 3 centaur skeletons 8 gnoll shamans 2 bullfrog skeletons 2 iguanas 5 orc wizards (D:9) 7 worker ants 6 ogre zombies (D:9) 2 hound zombies (D:7) 2 hound skeletons (D:6) A worker ant zombie (D:11) 26 gnolls 15 adders 3 shadow imps An ooze (D:2) A worm (D:2) A dart slug (D:4) 8 leopard geckos 32 orcs 3 giant cockroaches 11 goblins 8 hobgoblins 2 jackals (D:7) 3 quokkas 2 ball pythons 6 bats 4 frilled lizards (D:2) 4 goblin zombies (D:9) A hobgoblin skeleton (D:9) 5 hobgoblin zombies (D:9) A jackal skeleton (D:4) 21 kobolds A leopard gecko zombie (D:6) 2 orc skeletons (D:9) 12 orc zombies (D:9) A quokka skeleton (D:8) A quokka zombie (D:9) 8 rats 327 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A crimson imp (D:5) 2 adders (D:2) A quokka (D:7) 4 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 3 jackals (D:5) 20 plants 23 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 354 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | PlasticMonster the Deep Elf Wizard began the quest for the | Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 7/7 353 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 5/9 357 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 537 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 927 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 6/12 932 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame 936 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud 1044 | D:2 | Reached skill level 6 in Spellcasting 1386 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 16/24 MP: 10/14 2375 | D:3 | Noticed Sigmund 2384 | D:3 | Killed Sigmund 2384 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Spellcasting 2384 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Fire Magic 2384 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic 2384 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 13/28 MP: 3/16 2384 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 15/32 MP: 3/18 2703 | D:3 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 2950 | D:4 | Noticed Blork the orc 2977 | D:4 | Killed Blork the orc 2977 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic 3168 | D:4 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 3367 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 3478 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 4036 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4136 | D:5 | Found a runed translucent door. 4195 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 31/36 MP: 10/20 4286 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Spellcasting 4421 | D:5 | Noticed dyami's ghost (novice TrMo) 4656 | D:5 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 4664 | D:5 | Became a worshipper of Vehumet 4913 | D:6 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 5568 | D:6 | Found Iwuarr's Distillery. 5906 | D:6 | Reached skill level 9 in Spellcasting 6003 | D:6 | Reached * piety under Vehumet 6003 | D:6 | Offered knowledge of Shock by Vehumet. 6003 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 32/41 MP: 0/23 6244 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 6412 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting 7291 | D:7 | Offered knowledge of Throw Flame by Vehumet. 7307 | D:6 | Reached ** piety under Vehumet 7851 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades 7851 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 45/45 MP: 8/25 8048 | D:7 | Reached skill level 11 in Spellcasting 8518 | D:8 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag. 8601 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 8905 | D:8 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 9185 | D:9 | Offered knowledge of Dazzling Spray by Vehumet. 9399 | D:9 | Found a flagged portal. 9411 | Bailey | Entered a bailey 9437 | Bailey | Reached *** piety under Vehumet 9456 | Bailey | Reached skill level 12 in Spellcasting 9707 | Bailey | Reached skill level 5 in Poison Magic 9909 | Bailey | Offered knowledge of Fulminant Prism by Vehumet. 10515 | D:9 | Reached **** piety under Vehumet 10515 | D:9 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 34/50 MP: 24/28 10573 | D:9 | Offered knowledge of Stone Arrow by Vehumet. 10803 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 10840 | D:9 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 11123 | D:9 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 11198 | D:9 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 11228 | D:9 | Learned a level 3 spell: Stone Arrow 11364 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic 11438 | D:9 | Found an ornate altar of the Wu Jian Council. 11450 | D:9 | Reached ***** piety under Vehumet 11477 | D:9 | Offered knowledge of Bolt of Fire by Vehumet. 11568 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 11615 | D:9 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 11624 | D:9 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 12185 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 12269 | D:10 | Found Jiodotyu's Magic Scroll Shop. 12432 | D:10 | Noticed Psyche 12446 | D:10 | Killed Psyche 12446 | D:10 | Reached skill level 13 in Spellcasting 12764 | D:10 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 12764 | D:10 | Noticed Gastronok 12777 | D:10 | Killed Gastronok 13070 | D:10 | Learned a level 6 spell: Bolt of Fire 13188 | D:11 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 55/55 MP: 30/30 13905 | D:11 | Noticed a brown ugly thing 13916 | D:11 | Killed a brown ugly thing 14393 | D:11 | Noticed a white ugly thing 14400 | D:11 | Killed a white ugly thing 14400 | D:11 | Reached skill level 14 in Spellcasting 14719 | D:11 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 14722 | D:11 | Killed a six-headed hydra 14722 | D:11 | Reached skill level 5 in Air Magic 15128 | D:11 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 15988 | D:12 | Noticed a white ugly thing 15990 | D:12 | Killed a white ugly thing 15998 | D:12 | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations 16329 | D:12 | Noticed Snorg 16338 | D:12 | Mangled by Snorg Levels and vault maps discovered: D:1: dpeg_arrival_arbitrary_b, layout_basic D:2: layout_basic, minivault_27, minmay_pentomino_p2 D:3: layout_loops_ring, lemuel_coloured_pillars_altar, amethyst_killhole, uniq_sigmund D:4: layout_loops_ring, kennysheep_slug_shrine, minmay_temple_entry_waves, first_ration, uniq_blork_the_orc D:5: layout_loops_cross, fiery_altar_vehumet, ebering_ghost_reflecting_pool, kennysheep_small_circle D:6: kennysheep_housing_project, layout_loops_corners, okawaru_metal_pillars_1_2, serial_shops, nicolae_shop_trees D:7: layout_cave_pools D:8: layout_cave_pools, old_standard_altar, nicolae_gozag_seed_capital D:9: layout_grid_maze, grunt_temple_overflow_growth_and_decay, trog_ov_bears_minmay, nicolae_qazlal_style_of_elements, nicolae_overflow_crystal_walls, david_lair_shrubbed, zombieorc2_lemuel, basic_altar, enter_bailey_3, nicolae_lava_and_water, the_bakery D:10: layout_loops_ring, serial_shops, nicolae_shop_waterfront, bloody_makhleb, uniq_gastronok, uniq_psyche D:11: layout_grid_maze D:12: layout_loops_ring, uniq_sonja, uniq_snorg, uniq_kirke Temple: minmay_temple_curvy_loop Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 | ---------------+----------------------------------+----- Spellcasting | 5 6 7 9 10 12 13 14 | 14.9 Conjurations | 3 4 5 7 9 10 | 10.1 Fire Magic | 1 2 3 4 5 6 | 6.1 Poison Magic | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | 7.0 Air Magic | 1 2 3 4 5 | 5.1 Stealth | 3 | 3.3 Dodging | 3 4 | 4.2 Short Blades | 1 2 | 2.4 Armour | 2 | 2.9 Fighting | 1 | 1.1 Summonings | | 1.1 Translocations | | 1.1 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Short sword | 2 | 2 | 49 | 38 || 91 Cast: Magic Dart | 75 | 90 | 417 | 351 || 933 Call Imp | 2 | 2 | 3 | || 7 Mephitic Cloud | 1 | 4 | 61 | 26 || 92 Conjure Flame | | 5 | 24 | 33 || 62 Bolt of Fire | | | | 28 || 28 Use: Scroll | 2 | 6 | 6 | 9 || 23 Potion | | | 3 | 2 || 5 Stab: Sleeping | 1 | 1 | | 1 || 3 Confused | | | 6 | 2 || 8 Eat: Chunk | 1 | 8 | 11 | 8 || 28 Ration | | | 3 | 5 || 8 Armor: Leather armour | | 3 | 33 | 18 || 54 Robe | | 2 | | || 2 Dodge: Dodged | 6 | 6 | 102 | 101 || 215 Deflected | | | 3 | 5 || 8

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.24.0-1-gfbc8707 (webtiles) character file. Game seed: 13309434830393541551, levelgen mode: deterministic 12240 PlasticMonster the Eclecticist (level 11, -4/56 HPs) Began as a Deep Elf Wizard on Nov 15, 2019. Was an Elder of Vehumet. Shot with an arrow by a centaur (15 damage) ... on level 11 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 00:58:48 (14127 turns). PlasticMonster the Eclecticist (Deep Elf Wizard) Turns: 14127, Time: 00:58:50 Health: -4/56 AC: 5 Str: 5 XL: 11 Next: 59% Magic: 36/48 EV: 15 Int: 26 God: Vehumet [****..] Gold: 938 SH: 0 Dex: 13 Spells: 23/42 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . e - staff of power rCold . . . Gourm . (no shield) rNeg . . . Faith . t - +0 leather armour rPois + Spirit . n - +0 helmet rElec . Reflect . (no cloak) rCorr . Harm + i - +0 pair of gloves MR +.... (no boots) Stlth ++........ C - amulet of harm HPRegen 0.18/turn z - ring of poison resistance MPRegen 0.31/turn v - +3 ring of evasion @: no status effects A: no striking features a: Renounce Religion You were on level 11 of the Dungeon. You worshipped Vehumet. Vehumet was greatly pleased with you. You were hungry. You visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and saw 12 of its levels. You collected 938 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand Weapons c - a +4 short sword of holy wrath l - a cursed +6 long sword s - a +1 rapier of freezing B - a +4 dagger Armour i - a +0 pair of gloves (worn) n - a +0 helmet (worn) t - a +0 leather armour (worn) Magical Staves e - an uncursed staff of power (weapon) Jewellery v - a +3 ring of evasion (right hand) x - an uncursed ring of protection from magic {unknown} z - a ring of poison resistance (left hand) C - an amulet of harm (around neck) E - an uncursed ring of see invisible {unknown} Wands k - a wand of digging (5) y - a wand of flame (16) A - a wand of iceblast (6) D - a wand of random effects (10) Scrolls f - 2 scrolls of magic mapping g - 3 scrolls of fog o - 2 scrolls of amnesia p - 2 scrolls of teleportation q - 2 scrolls of remove curse w - 5 scrolls of identify Potions a - 2 potions of might b - 2 potions of mutation h - a potion of ambrosia j - 4 potions of curing m - 2 potions of heal wounds r - a potion of berserk rage u - a potion of agility F - a potion of brilliance {unknown} Comestibles d - 17 rations Skills: + Level 1.3 Fighting + Level 0.9 Short Blades + Level 2.6 Armour + Level 3.5 Dodging + Level 4.0 Stealth * Level 16.0 Spellcasting * Level 11.9 Conjurations + Level 1.6 Hexes + Level 2.9 Summonings Level 1.1 Translocations + Level 2.8 Fire Magic + Level 2.9 Air Magic + Level 1.9 Earth Magic + Level 2.1 Poison Magic You had 23 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj #### 1% 1 None c - Call Imp Summ #####... 1% 2 None d - Mephitic Cloud Conj/Pois/Air ######.. 1% 3 None e - Conjure Flame Conj/Fire ######.. 1% 3 None t - Stone Arrow Conj/Erth ###### 1% 3 None x - Olgreb's Toxic Radia Pois ####.... 4% 4 None y - Dazzling Spray Conj/Hex ###### 1% 3 None Your spell library contained the following spells: Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger Blink Tloc N/A 3% 2 None Slow Hex ####.... 3% 2 None Animate Skeleton Necr N/A 4% 1 None Beastly Appendage Tmut ###... 4% 1 None Pain Necr ###. 4% 1 None Sticks to Snakes Tmut ###..... 6% 2 None Spider Form Tmut/Pois ####...... 8% 3 None Regeneration Chrm/Necr ###....... 12% 3 None Vampiric Draining Necr ###....... 12% 3 None Animate Dead Necr N/A 36% 4 None Ice Form Ice/Tmut ###..... 36% 4 None Blade Hands Tmut ###....... 73% 5 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (11/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair (0/6) D:10 Orc (0/2) D:10 Altars: Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Wu Jian Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Shops: D:8 } Annotations: D:7 Erica Message History Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - tyrant leech Aim: a tyrant leech (severely wounded) The stone arrow hits the tyrant leech! The tyrant leech is almost dead. The tyrant leech bites you! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * The tyrant leech draws strength from your injuries! Casting: Stone Arrow (safe; 1% risk of failure) Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Stone Arrow (safe; 1% risk of failure) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - tyrant leech Aim: a tyrant leech (severely wounded) The stone arrow hits the tyrant leech! You kill the tyrant leech! Vehumet accepts your kill. You feel your power returning. The centaur wields a +0 shortbow. The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow hits you. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow hits you! You die... ..# ..# ..# ##### ..# ######.... . # #####..# #.##...... ...#.#.#.#.# #.##....## ....c......# #.##...## ......†@..## #.##...# ...........####(#...## .......##....##.#...# ....... ##....#†(..## ......# ##........# # ...... ##.......# .. .....# ##........... ..... #...#......# #...###...## You could see a centaur. Vanquished Creatures 2 two-headed ogres (D:9) A cyclops (D:11) The ghost of Calypsia the Bolt Thrower, a novice FoHu of Okawaru (D:7) An ugly thing (D:11) Psyche (D:10) A guardian serpent (D:9) A gargoyle (D:10) A troll (D:11) 3 tyrant leeches (D:11) 3 hippogriffs 5 yaks (D:9) A vampire (D:11) Grum (D:8) A hungry ghost (D:10) 3 vampire mosquitoes (D:11) 3 wargs 5 orc warriors A sky beast (D:9) 4 black bears A necrophage (D:9) 2 phantoms 5 ogres 4 wolves (D:8) 2 crocodiles 3 centaurs 2 big kobolds 6 bullfrogs A gnoll sergeant (D:9) 7 scorpions 4 killer bees (D:9) 17 wights 3 crimson imps 2 bullfrog zombies A centaur zombie (D:9) 2 jellies 4 bullfrog skeletons 6 orc priests 6 hounds 11 orc wizards 4 iguanas Jessica (D:2) A centaur skeleton (D:9) Terence (D:2) 5 worker ants 3 hound skeletons 11 adders 10 gnolls A shadow imp (D:7) An adder zombie (D:7) 2 adder skeletons 3 worms A dart slug (D:3) 5 leopard geckos 34 orcs 2 ball pythons A giant cockroach (D:3) 10 goblins 7 hobgoblins 3 jackals (D:1) 14 kobolds 5 quokkas 12 bats 5 frilled lizards A jackal zombie (D:5) A leopard gecko zombie (D:5) A quokka skeleton (D:9) 9 rats 282 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) An orc wizard (D:5) An adder (D:7) A worm (D:5) 2 orcs A giant cockroach (D:5) 6 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 29 fungi 6 plants 35 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 323 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | PlasticMonster the Deep Elf Wizard began the quest for the | Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 7/7 229 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 229 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 1/10 727 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 8/12 732 | D:1 | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame 736 | D:1 | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud 739 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 1007 | D:2 | Reached skill level 6 in Spellcasting 1173 | D:2 | Noticed Jessica 1184 | D:2 | Killed Jessica 1184 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 24/24 MP: 2/14 1435 | D:2 | Noticed Terence 1444 | D:2 | Killed Terence 1628 | D:2 | Found a faded altar of an unknown god. 1640 | D:2 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 1642 | D:2 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 1648 | D:2 | Became a worshipper of Vehumet 1771 | D:2 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 1878 | D:3 | HP: 1/24 [orc priest/nerve-wracking pain (8)] 1879 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Spellcasting 1879 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 1/28 MP: 0/16 2936 | D:4 | Reached * piety under Vehumet 2936 | D:4 | Offered knowledge of Shock by Vehumet. 2977 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 2982 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 2982 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 32/32 MP: 7/18 3009 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Spellcasting 3810 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3919 | D:5 | Noticed an orc warrior 4335 | D:5 | Killed an orc warrior 4335 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Spellcasting 4335 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 27/36 MP: 10/21 4554 | D:5 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 4932 | D:6 | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru. 5274 | D:6 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 5876 | D:6 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 6254 | D:7 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag. 6290 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 6297 | D:7 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 42/42 MP: 12/23 6307 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 6546 | D:7 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting 6683 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Fire Magic 6800 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 6809 | D:7 | Offered knowledge of Searing Ray by Vehumet. 6810 | D:7 | Found a runed translucent gate. 6811 | D:7 | Found a runed translucent gate. 6813 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 6944 | D:7 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag. 6946 | D:7 | Found a runed translucent gate. 6947 | D:7 | Noticed Calypsia's ghost (novice FoHu) 6970 | D:7 | Reached ** piety under Vehumet 7370 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic 7903 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 46/46 MP: 25/25 7919 | D:7 | Offered knowledge of Dazzling Spray by Vehumet. 8236 | D:7 | Killed Calypsia's ghost 8236 | D:7 | Reached skill level 11 in Spellcasting 8236 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic 8454 | D:7 | Learned a level 3 spell: Dazzling Spray 8455 | D:8 | Noticed Erica 8740 | D:8 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 8889 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 9042 | D:8 | Found Zibluzir's Gadget Emporium. 9271 | D:8 | Reached *** piety under Vehumet 9502 | D:8 | Noticed Grum 9523 | D:8 | Killed Grum 9523 | D:8 | Reached skill level 12 in Spellcasting 9827 | D:8 | Offered knowledge of Olgreb's Toxic Radiance by Vehumet. 9961 | D:8 | Learned a level 4 spell: Olgreb's Toxic Radiance 9985 | D:9 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 10049 | D:9 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 52/52 MP: 28/28 10132 | D:9 | Reached skill level 13 in Spellcasting 10459 | D:9 | Noticed a two-headed ogre 10460 | D:9 | Noticed a guardian serpent 10511 | D:9 | Killed a two-headed ogre 10553 | D:9 | Reached **** piety under Vehumet 10553 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Hexes 10567 | D:9 | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations 11106 | D:9 | Offered knowledge of Stone Arrow by Vehumet. 11377 | D:9 | Reached skill level 14 in Spellcasting 11449 | D:9 | Killed a guardian serpent 11656 | D:9 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 11673 | D:9 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 11905 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 11910 | D:10 | Noticed a two-headed ogre 11939 | D:9 | Killed a two-headed ogre 11939 | D:9 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 32/56 MP: 9/31 12073 | D:9 | Learned a level 3 spell: Stone Arrow 12075 | D:10 | Noticed Psyche 12076 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 12675 | D:10 | Killed Psyche 12750 | D:10 | Reached skill level 15 in Spellcasting 13164 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 13543 | D:11 | Reached skill level 1 in Earth Magic 13916 | D:11 | HP: 2/56 [cyclops/large rock (46)] 13955 | D:11 | Noticed a red ugly thing 13961 | D:11 | Killed a red ugly thing 14022 | D:11 | Reached skill level 16 in Spellcasting 14127 | D:11 | Shot with an arrow by a centaur Levels and vault maps discovered: D:1: dpeg_arrival_pits, layout_basic, grunt_decor_cap, hex_medium, minmay_misc_feat_alley D:2: layout_basic, chequers_temple_overflow_statue_of_worship, chequers_ecumenical_altar_simple_redux, grunt_dithmenos_smoke_and_mirrors, uniq_terence, uniq_jessica D:3: layout_basic, serial_corexii_hall, corexii_hall_statues_u, chequers_hall_statues_y, corexii_hall_statues_s, chequers_hall_statues_wall_a, corexii_hall_statues_l, corexii_hall_statues_l D:4: layout_rooms D:5: layout_cave_pools, overflow_temple_1_default, first_ration D:6: layout_loops_corners, lemuel_crystal_altar, marbit_many_paths, nicolae_ru_great_annihilating_truth D:7: old_forge, layout_basic, minmay_temple_entry_trees, basic_altar, ebering_ghost_gozag D:8: layout_gridville, serial_shops, kennysheep_mini, basic_altar, uniq_erica, uniq_grum D:9: layout_irregular_city, lemuel_round_altar, cheibriados_altar_1, serial_column_ruins, column_ruins_temple_circle, column_ruins_circle_medium, column_ruins_columns_straight, column_ruins_grid_3, column_ruins_open_tiny, column_ruins_corridor_T, column_ruins_grid_1, nrook_guardian_serpent_double D:10: layout_irregular_city, due_lair_maze_entry_diamond, minmay_orc_entry_guard_dogs, grunt_ogre_cave, uniq_psyche D:11: layout_layer_cave, minmay_guarded_unrand_vampires_tooth, uniq_harold, uniq_urug Temple: dpeg_chambers_temple Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 | ---------------+----------------------------------+----- Spellcasting | 5 6 7 9 10 12 14 16 | 16.0 Conjurations | 2 3 5 7 9 11 | 11.9 Summonings | 2 | 2.9 Dodging | 3 | 3.5 Armour | 2 | 2.6 Stealth | 3 4 | 4.0 Fire Magic | 2 | 2.8 Poison Magic | 1 2 | 2.1 Air Magic | 2 | 2.9 Fighting | 1 | 1.3 Hexes | 1 | 1.6 Earth Magic | 1 | 1.9 Short Blades | | 0.9 Translocations | | 1.1 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Short sword | 21 | 24 | 8 | || 53 Staff | | | 3 | 2 || 5 Cast: Magic Dart | 77 | 141 | 322 | 322 || 862 Call Imp | 2 | 7 | 7 | 2 || 18 Mephitic Cloud | 1 | 14 | 34 | 33 || 82 Conjure Flame | | 10 | 39 | 39 || 88 Dazzling Spray | | | 8 | 32 || 40 Olgreb's Toxic Ra | | | | 6 || 6 Stone Arrow | | | | 69 || 69 Evoke: Wand | | | | 1 || 1 Use: Scroll | 3 | 1 | 14 | 2 || 20 Potion | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 || 5 Stab: Sleeping | 1 | | | || 1 Invisible | | | | 1 || 1 Eat: Chunk | 1 | 6 | 7 | 8 || 22 Ration | | 1 | 3 | 1 || 5 Armor: Robe | 13 | 7 | | || 20 Leather armour | | 3 | 10 | 12 || 25 Dodge: Dodged | 41 | 35 | 35 | 48 || 159

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.24.0-1-gfbc8707 (webtiles) character file. Game seed: 16585099963224058656, levelgen mode: deterministic 13438 PlasticMonster the Thaumaturge (level 11, 0/56 HPs) Began as a Deep Elf Wizard on Nov 15, 2019. Was an Elder of Qazlal. Hit by a large rock thrown by a cyclops (31 damage) ... on level 11 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 00:50:22 (15957 turns). PlasticMonster the Thaumaturge (Deep Elf Wizard) Turns: 15957, Time: 00:50:23 Health: 0/56 AC: 8 Str: 7 XL: 11 Next: 75% Magic: 8/30 EV: 11 Int: 33 God: Qazlal [****..] Gold: 801 SH: 5 Dex: 18 Spells: 27/36 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . C - +2 dagger (venom) rCold . . . Gourm . (no shield) rNeg . . . Faith . B - +0 ring mail of the Game of Life {rElec MR- Str+2 Int+7} (curse) rPois . Spirit . y - +1 hat {MR+} rElec + Reflect . (no cloak) rCorr . Harm . m - +0 pair of gloves MR +.... (no boots) Stlth ++........ (no amulet) HPRegen 0.18/turn q - +5 ring of dexterity MPRegen 0.22/turn H - ring of stealth @: lightly drained, repel missiles A: no striking features a: Upheaval, Elemental Force, Renounce Religion You were on level 11 of the Dungeon. You worshipped Qazlal. Qazlal was greatly pleased with you. You were not hungry. You visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and saw 12 of its levels. You also visited: Sewer. You collected 801 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand Weapons C - a +2 dagger of venom (weapon) Armour m - a +0 pair of gloves (worn) p - a +3 ring mail of poison resistance y - a +1 hat of magic resistance (worn) B - the cursed +0 ring mail of the Game of Life (worn) {rElec MR- Str+2 Int+7} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon) It affects your strength (+2). It affects your intelligence (+7). It insulates you from electricity. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It has a curse placed upon it. F - a +0 ring mail of fire resistance Jewellery q - a +5 ring of dexterity (left hand) H - a ring of stealth (right hand) Wands e - a wand of iceblast (3) o - a wand of random effects (17) x - a wand of flame (22) Scrolls b - a scroll of blinking c - a scroll of summoning h - 3 scrolls of fog k - 3 scrolls of amnesia l - 10 scrolls of teleportation r - 4 scrolls of remove curse w - a scroll of fear A - 2 scrolls of magic mapping E - a scroll of immolation {unknown} Potions a - 5 potions of curing f - 2 potions of ambrosia g - a potion of flight i - a potion of brilliance j - a potion of haste {unknown} n - 3 potions of cancellation s - 3 potions of lignification t - 2 potions of heal wounds v - a potion of might {unknown} z - 3 potions of agility G - a potion of invisibility {unknown} I - a potion of resistance Comestibles d - 19 rations Skills: + Level 1.3(1.1) Fighting + Level 2.3(2.2) Short Blades + Level 3.9(3.8) Armour + Level 3.8(3.6) Dodging + Level 4.3(4.1) Stealth * Level 13.4(13.2) Spellcasting * Level 10.2(10.0) Conjurations + Level 1.6(1.4) Summonings Level 1.1(0.9) Translocations * Level 6.5(6.3) Fire Magic * Level 6.2(6.0) Air Magic * Level 7.5(7.3) Poison Magic + Level 0.3(0.1) Evocations You had 27 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj #### 1% 1 None c - Call Imp Summ ####.... 5% 2 None d - Mephitic Cloud Conj/Pois/Air ######.. 1% 3 None e - Conjure Flame Conj/Fire ######.. 1% 3 None Your spell library contained the following spells: Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger Blink Tloc N/A 7% 2 None Slow Hex ###..... 10% 2 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (11/15) Temple (1/1) D:6 Lair (0/6) D:10 Orc (0/2) D:9 Sewer (visited) Altars: Dithmenos Elyvilon Hepliaklqana Okawaru Qazlal Trog Uskayaw Vehumet Wu Jian Xom Yredelemnul The Shining One Beogh Shops: D:9 ! D:10 ( Annotations: D:6 3 runed translucent doors, gamgams's ghost, novice GrEE Message History Your crimson imp blinks! Casting: Magic Dart (safe; 1% risk of failure) Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Magic Dart (safe; 1% risk of failure) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - Nergalle Aim: Nergalle, wielding a +2 dagger of speed and wearing a +1 robe of magic resistance (flame, almost dead) The magic dart hits Nergalle. Nergalle is almost dead. Nergalle is engulfed in blazing flames. You kill Nergalle! Qazlal accepts your kill. The spectral orc disappears in a puff of smoke! x2 You start resting. Your crimson imp disappears in a puff of smoke! A cyclops comes into view. The cyclops throws a large rock. The large rock barely misses your crimson imp. The large rock hits you!! Ouch! That really hurt! You die... #########........ ########...##### .........(.########## ....^................ #############........ #.####### ########.# .....>.C.######### ........☼5@....... .........######### .........########## .........o5........ ................... ..............#### ############..# ########..####∩ ................ You could see a cyclops and a friendly crimson imp. Vanquished Creatures Gastronok (D:8) Snorg (D:10) A two-headed ogre (D:9) Nergalle (D:11) 2 ugly things (D:11) Maurice (D:8) Joseph (D:7) 3 komodo dragons (D:10) 2 trolls A hornet (D:9) A wyvern (D:10) Grum (D:8) The ghost of dayshawn the Chopper, an amateur HOMo (D:4) A human (D:10) 5 yaks (D:8) A basilisk (D:10) 4 hogs (D:10) 3 hungry ghosts An acid dragon (D:10) A soldier ant (D:11) A water moccasin (D:7) Duvessa (D:7) 3 ice beasts 4 orc warriors A sky beast (D:5) 2 phantoms An eye of draining (D:9) 3 wolves (D:8) 6 ogres 3 centaurs 2 crocodiles (D:10) A big kobold (D:7) 7 bullfrogs 2 wyvern zombies Dowan (D:7) A water moccasin skeleton (D:9) 5 wights A howler monkey (D:5) 4 jellies 3 bullfrog zombies 3 crimson imps A centaur zombie (D:7) 8 hounds A quasit (D:9) 4 orc priests A bullfrog skeleton (D:8) A gnoll shaman (D:9) 6 orc wizards 2 centaur skeletons (D:5) Jessica (D:2) Natasha (thrice) (D:2) An iguana (D:5) 3 worker ants A killer bee zombie (D:8) A worker ant zombie (D:5) 3 gnolls (D:9) 16 adders A river rat (D:3) 3 shadow imps 2 oozes An adder zombie (D:9) 2 adder skeletons 2 worms A dart slug (D:2) 6 leopard geckos 53 orcs 8 bats 2 giant cockroaches 6 hobgoblins 16 jackals 8 quokkas 5 ball pythons 9 frilled lizards 5 goblins A jackal skeleton (D:5) 2 jackal zombies 16 kobolds A leopard gecko skeleton (D:6) 2 leopard gecko zombies 6 rats 299 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A scorpion (D:5) A crimson imp (D:9) An adder (D:3) A river rat (D:3) A hobgoblin (D:2) 2 jackals A ball python (Sewer) A frilled lizard (D:3) 9 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 308 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | PlasticMonster the Deep Elf Wizard began the quest for the | Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 7/7 231 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 14/15 MP: 1/9 237 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 539 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 883 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 6/11 888 | D:1 | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame 892 | D:1 | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud 1447 | D:2 | Noticed Natasha 1460 | D:2 | Killed Natasha 1460 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic 1460 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 24/24 MP: 1/13 1758 | D:2 | Noticed Jessica 1762 | D:2 | Killed Jessica 1762 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic 1880 | D:2 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 1881 | D:2 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 1893 | D:2 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 16/28 MP: 5/15 1966 | D:2 | Found an ornate altar of the Wu Jian Council. 1966 | D:2 | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw. 1966 | D:2 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 1966 | D:2 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 1966 | D:2 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 2030 | D:2 | Noticed Natasha 2039 | D:2 | Killed Natasha 2059 | D:2 | Noticed Natasha 2074 | D:2 | Killed Natasha 2263 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Spellcasting 2304 | D:3 | Found a glowing drain. 2333 | Sewer | Entered a sewer 3179 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 32/32 MP: 15/17 3557 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Fire Magic 3817 | D:4 | Found a runed translucent door. 3988 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 4221 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 22/36 MP: 5/19 4356 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Spellcasting 5302 | D:4 | Noticed dayshawn's ghost (amateur HOMo) 5325 | D:4 | Killed dayshawn's ghost 5403 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 5531 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Spellcasting 5531 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 41/41 MP: 8/22 5650 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 7152 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 7393 | D:6 | Found a runed translucent gate. 7393 | D:6 | Found a runed translucent gate. 7393 | D:6 | Found a runed translucent gate. 7405 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 7423 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 7437 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Qazlal Stormbringer 7478 | D:6 | Reached skill level 9 in Spellcasting 7885 | D:6 | Noticed gamgams's ghost (novice GrEE) 8207 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 21/47 MP: 8/24 8457 | D:7 | Found an ornate altar of the Wu Jian Council. 8468 | D:7 | Noticed Dowan 8477 | D:7 | Noticed Duvessa 8481 | D:7 | Noticed Joseph 9210 | D:7 | Reached * piety under Qazlal 9315 | D:7 | Killed Joseph 9315 | D:7 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting 9852 | D:8 | Noticed Gastronok 9873 | D:8 | Killed Gastronok 9873 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades 9873 | D:8 | Reached skill level 11 in Spellcasting 9873 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Poison Magic 9873 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 48/52 MP: 4/27 10031 | D:7 | Killed Duvessa 10047 | D:7 | Killed Dowan 10500 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic 10556 | D:8 | Noticed Maurice 10580 | D:8 | Killed Maurice 10710 | D:8 | Noticed Grum 10719 | D:8 | Killed Grum 10733 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Air Magic 11129 | D:8 | Got a spiked ring mail 11140 | D:8 | Identified the cursed +0 ring mail of the Game of Life | {rElec MR- Str+2 Int+7} (You found it on level 8 of the | Dungeon) 11546 | D:9 | Reached ** piety under Qazlal 11581 | D:9 | Reached skill level 12 in Spellcasting 11773 | D:9 | Noticed a two-headed ogre 11788 | D:9 | Killed a two-headed ogre 12164 | D:9 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 42/56 MP: 23/29 12190 | D:9 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 12221 | D:9 | Reached *** piety under Qazlal 12724 | D:9 | Found Ravepnump's Distillery. 12982 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 13094 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 13907 | D:10 | Found Ihed's Antique Weapon Emporium. 14662 | D:10 | Reached **** piety under Qazlal 14856 | D:10 | Reached skill level 13 in Spellcasting 14909 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 15017 | D:11 | Noticed a white ugly thing 15021 | D:11 | Noticed Snorg 15029 | D:11 | Killed a white ugly thing 15042 | D:10 | Killed Snorg 15042 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations 15316 | D:11 | Noticed a purple ugly thing 15327 | D:11 | Killed a purple ugly thing 15910 | D:11 | Noticed Nergalle 15946 | D:11 | Killed Nergalle 15957 | D:11 | Hit by a large rock thrown by a cyclops Levels and vault maps discovered: D:1: dpeg_arrival_boxorama, layout_basic D:2: minmay_skewed_foursquare, layout_basic, minitemple, uniq_natasha, uniq_jessica D:3: layout_rooms, cheibrodos_sewer_entry_sluice D:4: minmay_inner_zag, layout_loops_corners, ebering_ghost_reflecting_pool D:5: layout_loops_ring, first_ration D:6: layout_basic, minmay_temple_entry_grid, ebering_ghost_rock_garden D:7: layout_cave_pools, basic_altar, uniq_joseph, uniq_duvessa D:8: layout_layer_cave, uniq_grum, uniq_maurice, uniq_gastronok D:9: layout_long_grid, orc_0_dummy, serial_shops, nicolae_shop_crystal, special_room [special_room_orc] D:10: layout_long_grid, erik_lair_dragon, serial_shops, nicolae_shop_temple_entry_statues_fountains, grunt_livestock D:11: layout_long_grid, serial_shops, nicolae_shop_competitors_out_of_business, nicolae_shop_behind_doors, uniq_nergalle, uniq_snorg Temple: regret_index_temple_waves Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 | ---------------+----------------------------------+----- Spellcasting | 5 6 8 9 11 12 13 | 13.4 Conjurations | 2 3 4 6 8 9 10 | 10.2 Air Magic | 1 2 3 4 5 6 | 6.2 Poison Magic | 1 2 4 5 6 7 | 7.5 Fire Magic | 1 2 3 4 5 6 | 6.5 Armour | 1 2 3 | 3.9 Dodging | 3 | 3.8 Stealth | 3 4 | 4.3 Fighting | 1 | 1.3 Short Blades | 1 2 | 2.3 Summonings | | 1.6 Translocations | | 1.1 Evocations | | 0.3 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Dagger | 2 | 18 | 63 | 159 || 242 Cast: Magic Dart | 89 | 157 | 324 | 355 || 925 Call Imp | 3 | 7 | 4 | 5 || 19 Mephitic Cloud | 1 | 9 | 22 | 47 || 79 Conjure Flame | | 2 | 22 | 39 || 63 Evoke: Wand | | | | 5 || 5 Use: Scroll | 1 | 6 | 13 | 3 || 23 Potion | | 1 | 5 | 5 || 11 Stab: Sleeping | 2 | | 3 | || 5 Confused | | 3 | 9 | 13 || 25 Distracted | | | | 1 || 1 Eat: Chunk | 1 | 9 | 6 | 12 || 28 Ration | | | 4 | 2 || 6 Armor: Leather armour | 1 | 16 | 32 | || 49 Ring mail | | | | 64 || 64 Dodge: Dodged | 16 | 25 | 90 | 97 || 228 Deflected | | | | 6 || 6 Block: Other | | | 1 | 33 || 34

Saturday, 16th November 2019, 17:26 by Sorcerous

EatsDungeonBats wrote:Is there something I'm doing generally wrong, like not managing skills well, or bad tactics like being too aggressive with hand-to-hand combat with my fragile Deep Elf, or not upgrading my armor enough? Is there a way to avoid those situations where one wrong move = death, or to figure out what the one right move is?

As you can see, I can't seem to make it past XL 10-11. I've played many more games (too many, probably), but this performance is fairly typical. Just when I feel like the character is starting to get some good spells in combination with armor, weapons, jewelry, etc. I fall into a trap, drop 3 floors, and get hammered by nasties.

First of all, have you already won spellcaster games before? I know this is a very basic question, but DE chars are not newbie material.

Second, some of the things you have already typed out can be good points of improvement - skill management is very important, so let's focus on that. Do you use manual skilling or automatic? What is your typical skilling in the early levels like L1-6? How do you branch out from L6-10? In the three morgue texts you provided you had 8 or more skills being trained at the same time. This is bad practice - you generally want to focus on no more than 4 skills at a time in the early levels. Later on, taking several ranks in a new skill is much easier because there is more XP to invest.
You also mentioned getting aggressive in close combat, which is a problem. Close combat on a frail species like DE should be seen as a last resort, and not a necessarily good one at that. There are many ways to avoid bad situations outright, and some ways to manage them as they happen. Splatting with a stack of unused teleportation or fear scrolls, or something even more powerful like blink or summoning shows you may be too conservative with the consumables. They can definitely help if not save the day when you suddenly get shafted down 2-3 floors. Finally, unless you like challenge games, you should stay very far away from Qazlal with a DE char.

I did recently win with a DECj under Gozag. The partial chardump (under code tags) has the skill progression and spell and ability uses listed, and separated by level brackets. Perhaps those can help.

Saturday, 16th November 2019, 17:29 by stormdragon

First of all, good on you for providing the character dumps while asking for feedback. There is a lot of information there. I am going to try not to nitpick the small stuff, and instead direct your attention to what I consider your three biggest causes of death:

1. I see that two out of three of these character dumps have multiple enemies in the final message log; centaur + tyrant leech, and Nergalle + cyclops. Crawl is a game of numbers, and the best way to swing the odds in your favor are to fight one monster at a time. In order to do this, you need to beware of making noise near unexplored tiles. Unexplored tiles are where the monsters are, and making noise draws them out, to the source of the noise (you). To prevent getting swarmed, what you should really do when you see a monster, is walk away into a big circle of explored tiles (preferably near stairs, since a staircase up is a great escape route as long as you use it BEFORE all monsters on screen are adjacent to you). When you're fighting in a big circle of explored tiles, you can make as much noise as you want, and that noise won't travel far enough to reach unexplored tiles. Now, this isn't possible in every situation (for example, against fast enemies, walking away lets them get closer or hit you), but 90% of the time this is the correct way to start a fight.

2. I see you tried to kill Snorg on D:12 without any lair exp. Crawl is not a game where you should kill everything you see. Some enemies, even one-on-one, are super strong and it is better not to take the risk. Again this boils down to crawl being a numbers game; even if your chance to die is only 10%, if you do ten separate and unrelated fights with a 10% chance to die, your overall chance to die in one of them will be 65%. So, you could say that caution is the greatest virtue in this game. If you see a sleeping centaur on D:2, it is best not to wake it up. If Rupert is at the edge of your line of sight, it is best just to walk to an upstairs and go down a different one. If an orc priest that you expected to kill, is now 2 tiles away with half health and has dropped you down to 30% health, you need to escape that situation (perhaps with a scroll of fear or blink).

3. I see that in all of these character dumps, you saw, but chose not to enter, the lair. The lair is generally the easiest part of the game and you should enter it as soon as you are able to, to essentially farm exp.

Saturday, 16th November 2019, 18:18 by EatsDungeonBats

Thank you Sourcerous and stormdragon.

As per Sourcerous, I'm going to change my skills management, and avoid Qazlal.

As per stormdragon, I'm going to change my tactics and be more cautious about taking on multiple enemies. I'll also get to the Lair sooner.

Monday, 18th November 2019, 15:44 by TheMeInTeam

# of skills trained is much less important than simply ensuring that what you're training will be of benefit in the near or immediate future. I've had ~10 skills going at once relatively early and still had an easy run, but that's an outlier (caster/stabbing hybrid). Most cases you simply don't have that many different *useful* things to train.

Note that in one of those runs, you're still training conjurations (with emphasis) while being power-capped on stone arrow/all blasting spells you have at present. You don't have slow or blink memorized at all. Slow gets something of a bad rep, but it's useful for wizards. There are only a handful of things you can possibly encounter early that can still run you down while slowed, and most enemies can be outright kited freely. Getting some space with blink is useful too.

Similarly, in the other one bolt of fire is good, but you're training magic skills for stuff you already have easily castable. I know the fighting aptitude and base health are bad but you do still want some points in that.

Tuesday, 19th November 2019, 16:46 by 4Hooves2Appendages

One strategy comment:
You are choosing weak gods. Veh does nothing useful early. Qaz actively puts you in danger.
Consider picking the first strong god you find: Kiku, Hep, Gozag, Usk. They help immediately or shortly after joining. This is not exhaustive and there is some debate.

One tactics comment:
You die to speed 10 melee monsters. Consider walking away before they hit you. Run away/hide/stairs/pillar dance to regenerate MP. Empty your MP from range. If the monster is still alive, don’t melee, instead reset the fight.

One general suggestion:
DE is pretty unforgiving because of the low health. Wz is tricky because the skilling path may not be obvious. Consider other casters: HOFE, MfIE, GrEE, etc. to gain experience on easier combos.

Wednesday, 20th November 2019, 18:20 by onomastikon

Good stuff already said here. I'd just add that I've had most success with fragile caster types (Tengu, DE specifically) by training as much offense as possible as early as possible, and ignoring armour and dodging entirely for some time.
Wz might be a tad bit harder than other starting books for a very new person because the skills are spread out more. You may be interested in trying a FE or an EE first as an elf. One last thing would be not worrying too much about dying on D1-4, since your investment is very low at that point (both in terms of time and emotional attachment) -- splatting a level 1-5 DE is par for the course for a newer person. As others have mentioned, you may want to try someone other than a DE first if this is frustrating to you.

4Hooves2Appendages wrote:One strategy comment:
You are choosing weak gods.

I don't understand this comment. I believe Vehumet is ideal for a beginner, as you get common-sense benefits without additional choice management, and 1 less skill to train. (Qaz of course is lovely for a beefy melee guy without much offensive AoE magic, but very challenging for a hang-in-the-back stealthy person who already has good AoE options with spending MP.)

Wednesday, 20th November 2019, 21:09 by damerell

onomastikon wrote:I believe Vehumet is ideal for a beginner, as you get common-sense benefits without additional choice management, and 1 less skill to train.

There are two difficulties. One is that Vehumet doesn't provide immediate benefits on worship, but DE is extremely fragile and would ideally like help right away - compared to, say, Gozag where as soon as you walk away from the altar you can use your first Potion Petition.

The second is that Vehumet helps the character where they are already strong, rather than patching up their weaknesses - and DEWz's weaknesses need help because they are in the "not dying" department. DEWz has a flexible starting book, so has no immediate need for spell gifts, and good apts so is likely to already have a low miscast chance. The range extension is useful, but it's a long time in coming. In contrast, say, Usk patches up your fragility by rendering enemies unable to hurt you quite a lot of the time.

Wednesday, 20th November 2019, 22:24 by petercordia

This has been said before and I disagree.

The main weakness of a wizard (up to Lair) is not having good level 5 spells. Vehm solves this weakness.

Further, a Wz^Vehm should be playing such that they are never adjacent to an enemy. Vehm helps here by his wizz powers (allowing higher level spells). As such Vehm makes "not dying" easier (in the sense of less hassle, because fewer retreats are necessary).

As a bonus Vehm also makes the situation where you can't progress without using items/piety (because all available branches are too hard for your character) almost impossible.

Wednesday, 20th November 2019, 22:55 by TheMeInTeam

Further, a Wz^Vehm should be playing such that they are never adjacent to an enemy.

Quoted is a pipe dream, and it's why Vehumet is not considered a strong god. Lots of things before, during, and after lair are either faster than you or have ranged attacks. Low HP and flimsy AC/defenses in general are a big price to pay for using even level 5 magic at this point. Regardless you will sometimes have stuff next to you that can kill you in 3 hits and you're going to have to react and do something about it appropriately. This is doable w/o a god to help with those scenarios, but it's easier if you do have one.

Vehumet is fun though.

Thursday, 21st November 2019, 01:01 by damerell

petercordia wrote:The main weakness of a wizard (up to Lair) is not having good level 5 spells.

A DEWz has to get to the point of casting level 5 spells.

Further, a Wz^Vehm should be playing such that they are never adjacent to an enemy.

All manner of characters would like to be never adjacent to an enemy, but it's not clear the enemy can be relied upon to be universally cooperative in this objective.

Thursday, 21st November 2019, 12:23 by petercordia

Comparing with an old MuWz^Vehm, it's true I did about as much hand-to-hand fighting with monsters as the OP did. So I overstated what a wizard can/should hope to achieve.
I meant something closer to "a Wz^Vehm should be playing such that they are never forced to fight an enemy in melee," but even that would take a whole paragraph to fix all the caveats.

Was the spirit of what I meant really unclear?

Thursday, 21st November 2019, 12:33 by 4Hooves2Appendages

You’re better off framing that statement in terms of ‘trying to avoid fighting enemies in melee range’. Which is true for many non-melee weapon characters.

Edit: Some monsters are best fought at close range (centaurs etc.). The real objective is to minimise taking damage...

The problem is that it isn’t possible to avoid completely. So you need to prepare an answer before it happens.

Spiny frogs, black mambas, blink frogs and wyverns will spawn in Lair. They can be next to stairs or around a blind corner.

For the record I don’t think rushing to lvl 5 conjurations is the most successful strategy for Wz, and probably not even a good one.

Thursday, 21st November 2019, 13:03 by tealizard

Seems to me what we have here is a bad, meme-y gameplan. As others have said Vehumet is bad in general and has a very bad early game. It's absolutely true that you should learn to play a number of strong gods and aim to take them early, but as a newer player it might be easier to have a set gameplan. I suggest you always go kiku and use the pain brand ability on a dagger as early as possible. That should put you on a reliable path to dealing with anything going into the mid game.

About not meleeing things, you should be able to escape most of the things these guys are talking about with summon imp and conjure flame, but kiku will give you everything you need to keep monsters off you.

Also, you're overtraining spellcasting.

Thursday, 21st November 2019, 15:31 by petercordia

I'll try to defend my position in a way which benefits the OP.

You've got mephitic cloud for centaurs, orc wizards, orc priests, and anything poison-susceptible. Note you need to limit the distance to ~3 tiles for this to work well, but the early D has plenty of choke points.
You've got conjure flame to create a wall between you and any melee enemies. Very cheap to use in the Dungeon, because of 1-tile corridors. If you're below half mp when you see a non-trivial threat, you can just block it off and walk out of it's LOS whilst maintaining LOS with the fire cloud. (This works best with a little stealth.) You can also safely engage a group of melee enemies by blocking them of with fire and then using a spear/sling/whatever or even magic dart if you can spare the mp.
You've got Imps. Not only can these take out most pre-lair threats by themselves (including almost all pre-lair uniques), they combine well with mephitic cloud and can be used to let you run away. Can also be used to create a gap for CF.
You've got blink to get out of situations where you made a positioning mistake. It's also amazing when you've isolated a monster via stair-dancing. In that situation you're almost guaranteed to be able to create a gap, or just create distance.
Often you can just walk back to the nearest stairs and go back up. It's very rare many monsters can follow. If there are many, you have Blink. Even if a monster you were dragging along damages you (eg because it is a little faster than you), you now have it isolated from all it's friends, and you should be able to deal with it with the above tricks.

Early in the dungeon (before you've leveled up enough), this strategy can fail due to adders. They can usually be dealt with using magic dart, or random potions or scrolls or wands you're carrying.
Rarely a ranged rPois enemy will show up. That's what consumables are for.
You probably won't be seeing cyclops (high HD -> not as good for mephitic cloud) before you've had a chance to get into Lair. If you do you can tempt it to throw all it's rocks from the edge of LOS.
In lair you do get Spiny frogs, black mambas. If you drag them up stairs and blast them with your best (Vehm-given) conjurations, they won't stand a chance. You take some damage, and are in melee range, but you've got good burst damage. This is what I meant with "fight an enemy in melee" rather than "fighting enemies in melee range". You can also block them of with a wall of fire, though this usually needs 2-3 casts of CF, and you'll need to tank a few hits whilst they fry.
Blink frogs shouldn't be a problem because, stairs.

Wizard is very strong in the early game. You don't need any help pre-lair.

BTW, though not mentioned above because it doesn't help you control the dungeon, magic dart is very nice for popcorn. And if I don't have access to higher-level spells (with eg Sif) I'd train some short blades for stabbing.

Thursday, 21st November 2019, 15:53 by 4Hooves2Appendages

What is the position that you are defending? Veh for Wz?

Friday, 22nd November 2019, 01:54 by damerell

petercordia wrote:Was the spirit of what I meant really unclear?

Point is, Veh isn't doing much to keep monsters out of melee range until you get the spell range extension, unless they happen to offer a spell that's just right. DEWz's glass jaw means you might well die before then.

Saturday, 23rd November 2019, 08:12 by Magipi

I think Veh is okay, just like DE is okay and Wz is okay. The sum result is an average combo, so I definitely don't recommend it for inexperienced players. This is especially true for Wz. All 4 elementalist starts are much more straightforward and easy-to-use.

However, all this strategy stuff is secondary. The main mistake that I see is bad tactics. Take the first example game. You are standing next to a berserking Snorg (who you probably shouldn't fight in the first place). You had summon imp, but you didn't use it. You had blink to get out of melee, but you didn't use it (it seems like you didn't even learn it). Just standing there and lamely shooting bolts of fire while you are ripped apart is madness.

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