HOGl^Mak advice


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Lair Larrikin

Posts: 16

Joined: Monday, 17th April 2017, 11:30

Location: UK

Post Tuesday, 13th August 2019, 14:19

HOGl^Mak advice

I have a HOGl^Mak at XL21 that I eventually hope to take into extended.

Q1: Budgeting advice -

I currently have 2267g and the following on my shopping list:

1351g - the +3 plate armour of Ohiklets {rElec rC rN++ rCorr}
3071g - a glowing crystal plate armour

I can buy Ohiklets right now and the resists are great, so assume I should do that, but if I go for 15 runes I'm also assuming I'll eventually need more AC - should I just cross that bridge when I come to it?

Q2: Amulet -

I'm currently wearing plain Faith but I've found a decent randart now: the amulet "Aceraf" {Spirit MR+ SInv}

How good is Faith (considering demons are my only spammable buff for harder fights) compared to an average kind of artefact like this for my character, and when is the best time to upgrade?


Q3: Fixed art weapon -

I found the +7 great mace "Undeadhunter" {disrupt, rN+} - this seems really good?? If I'm able to reach Tomb etc. should I put some points towards lowering the delay to compliment my axes?


  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.23.2-34-gc172519 (webtiles) character file.

Tulse the Severer (Hill Orc Gladiator)             Turns: 47978, Time: 05:08:37

Health: 201/201    AC: 36    Str: 21    XL:     21   Next: 32%
Magic:  29/29      EV: 14    Int: 23    God:    Makhleb [******]
Gold:   2267       SH:  0    Dex: 12    Spells: 18/22 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis .   a - +2 battleaxe (vamp)
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   (shield currently unavailable)
rNeg     . . .     Faith    +   o - +1 chain mail of Ennui {Int+6}
rPois    +         Spirit   .   V - +2 helmet {Int+3}
rElec    .         Reflect  .   A - +2 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   m - +2 pair of gloves
MR       +....                  l - +2 pair of boots
Stlth    ..........             M - amulet of faith
HPRegen  0.43/turn              K - ring of poison resistance
MPRegen  0.21/turn              c - +6 ring of protection

@: no status effects
A: low mp 1
}: 2/15 runes: decaying, serpentine
a: Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Major Destruction, Greater
Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion


You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Makhleb.
Makhleb is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and seen 36 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.
You have also visited: Sewer, Ossuary, Gauntlet and Volcano.

You have collected 3936 gold pieces.
You have spent 1669 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +2 vampiric battleaxe (weapon)
 u - the +7 great mace "Undeadhunter" {disrupt, rN+}
   (You took it off a minotaur in a Gauntlet)   
   
   It protects you from negative energy.
Missiles
 d - 59 tomahawks (quivered)
 f - 14 javelins
 z - 7 throwing nets
Armour
 l - a +2 pair of boots (worn)
 m - a +2 pair of gloves (worn)
 o - the +1 chain mail of Ennui (worn) {Int+6}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+6).
 p - a +1 helmet of see invisible
 A - a +2 cloak (worn)
 V - a +2 helmet of intelligence (worn)
Jewellery
 b - an uncursed ring of fire
 c - a +6 ring of protection (right hand)
 F - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 K - a ring of poison resistance (left hand)
 M - an amulet of faith (around neck)
 P - the ring "Pyne" {Wiz Str+4 Dex+5}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of wizardry]
   
   It improves your spell success rate.
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your dexterity (+5).
 Q - the ring of Salvation {rCorr +Fly}
   (You found it in a Gauntlet)   
   
   [ring of resist corrosion]
   
   It lets you fly.
Wands
 k - a wand of paralysis (15)
 E - a wand of scattershot (9)
 G - a wand of iceblast (36)
 O - a wand of digging (6)
 R - a wand of enslavement (14)
 W - a wand of acid (3)
Scrolls
 i - 10 scrolls of magic mapping
 n - 4 scrolls of holy word
 t - 10 scrolls of fear
 v - 12 scrolls of blinking
 w - 2 scrolls of silence
 I - 18 scrolls of teleportation
 N - a scroll of summoning
 U - 10 scrolls of identify
 Z - 5 scrolls of fog
Potions
 g - 2 potions of invisibility
 h - 13 potions of flight
 j - 6 potions of agility
 r - 3 potions of cancellation
 s - 13 potions of curing
 B - 6 potions of resistance
 D - 4 potions of haste
 H - 2 potions of brilliance
 J - a potion of heal wounds
 L - 2 potions of berserk rage
 S - 4 potions of mutation
 X - a potion of might
Miscellaneous
 x - a fan of gales
Comestibles
 Y - 74 rations


   Skills:
 + Level 20.0 Fighting
 - Level 20.0 Axes
 + Level 14.0 Throwing
 * Level 18.3 Armour
 - Level 11.4 Dodging
 - Level 1.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 2.1 Hexes
 - Level 2.1 Necromancy
 - Level 3.0 Translocations
 + Level 15.1 Invocations


You have 18 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Confusing Touch       Hex            ##....       26%         1    ##.....
b - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          26%         2    ###....
z - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A          26%         1    ##.....

Your spell library contains the following spells:

 Spells                   Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
 Corona                   Hex            ##.....      26%         1    ##.....
 Pain                     Necr           ##..         26%         1    ##.....
 Slow                     Hex            ##......     36%         2    ###....
 Shroud of Golubria       Chrm/Tloc      #.........   43%         2    ###....
 Gell's Gravitas          Tloc           ##........   45%         3    ####...
 Beastly Appendage        Tmut           #.....       52%         1    ##.....
 Freeze                   Ice            #...         52%         1    ##.....
 Infusion                 Chrm           #...         52%         1    ##.....
 Magic Dart               Conj           #...         52%         1    ##.....
 Ensorcelled Hibernation  Hex/Ice        #.....       52%         2    ###....
 Confuse                  Hex            ##......     58%         3    ####...
 Tukima's Dance           Hex            ##......     58%         3    ####...
 Vampiric Draining        Necr           ##........   58%         3    ####...
 Call Imp                 Summ           #.......     65%         2    ###....
 Song of Slaying          Chrm           #.......     65%         2    ###....
 Sticks to Snakes         Tmut           #.......     65%         2    ###....
 Throw Frost              Conj/Ice       #.....       65%         2    ###....
 Recall                   Summ/Tloc      N/A          67%         3    ####...
 Dazzling Spray           Conj/Hex       #.....       75%         3    ####...
 Regeneration             Chrm/Necr      #.........   75%         3    ####...
 Spectral Weapon          Hex/Chrm       #.......     75%         3    ####...
 Conjure Flame            Conj/Fire      #.......     87%         3    ####...
 Ignite Poison            Fire/Tmut/Pois #.......     87%         3    ####...
 Mephitic Cloud           Conj/Pois/Air  #.......     87%         3    ####...
 Ozocubu's Armour         Chrm/Ice       #.......     87%         3    ####...
 Spider Form              Tmut/Pois      #.........   87%         3    ####...
 Static Discharge         Conj/Air       #.......     87%         3    ####...
 Animate Dead             Necr           N/A          94%         4    #####..
 Ice Form                 Ice/Tmut       #.......     99%         4    #####..
 Petrify                  Tmut/Erth      #.......     99%         4    #####..
 Summon Ice Beast         Ice/Summ       #.......     99%         4    #####..
 Summon Lightning Spire   Summ/Air       #.......     99%         4    #####..
 Throw Icicle             Conj/Ice       #.......     99%         4    #####..
 Blade Hands              Tmut           #.........   100%        5    ######.
 Borgnjor's Vile Clutch   Necr/Erth      #.........   100%        5    ######.
 Lightning Bolt           Conj/Air       #.........   100%        5    ######.
 Metabolic Englaciation   Hex/Ice        #.........   100%        5    ######.
 Silence                  Hex/Air        #.........   100%        5    ######.
 Yara's Violent Unravell  Hex/Tmut       #.........   100%        5    ######.
 Conjure Ball Lightning   Conj/Air       #.........   100%        6    #######
 Death Channel            Necr           ##........   100%        6    #######
 Deflect Missiles         Chrm/Air       #.........   100%        6    #######
 Simulacrum               Ice/Necr       #.........   100%        6    #######
 Statue Form              Tmut/Erth      #........    100%        6    #######
 Ignition                 Fire           #.........   100%        8    #######
 Shatter                  Erth           #.........   100%        9    #######
 Tornado                  Air            #.........   100%        9    #######


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7            Lair (6/6) D:9
  Swamp (4/4) Lair:3        Snake (4/4) Lair:3        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:11            Elf (0/3) Orc:2        Vaults (4/5) D:14
  Crypt (0/3) Vaults:2     Depths (0/5) D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Lugonu

Shops:
D:4 (   D:9 !*=*:   D:11 *   D:14 [   D:15 [   Orc:1 ?   Orc:2 }?*[
Vaults:1 [   Vaults:3 (

Portals:
Trove: D:11 (give 2 scrolls of acquirement)

Annotations:
D:4 1 runed translucent door
D:13 2 transporters
Vaults:2 3 runed translucent doors


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

Your magical capacity is low. (-10% MP)


Message History

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There is a staircase back to the Dungeon here.
Items here: ???????
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Done exploring.
That item cannot be evoked!
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Blood and souls for Makhleb!
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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Mara (Swamp:4)
  A tentacled monstrosity (Vaults:2)
  Rupert (Lair:5)
  Asterion (Snake:3)
  A thorn hunter (Swamp:3)
  11 nagarajas
  Aizul (Snake:4)
  6 vault wardens
  A cacodemon (Vaults:2)
  A deep elf sorcerer (Vaults:2)
  4 ironheart preservers
  4 very ugly things
  A war gargoyle (Vaults:3)
  An entropy weaver (Vaults:1)
  2 stone giants (Vaults:2)
  Snorg (Lair:5)
  2 fire dragons (Vaults:1)
  29 naga warriors
  A great orb of eyes (Vaults:2)
  2 rakshasas
  4 vault guards (Vaults:2)
  6 ghost crabs (Swamp:1)
  8 anacondas
  13 hydras
  2 death knights
  2 ice dragons
  17 two-headed ogres
  Erica (Orc:1)
  5 ogre magi
  7 centaur warriors
  A queen ant (Lair:2)
  10 alligators
  4 orc high priests
  A tengu warrior (D:15)
  Urug (Orc:2)
  7 shock serpents
  36 naga sharpshooters
  6 death yaks (Lair:5)
  A deep elf knight (Vaults:3)
  A vampire mage (D:15)
  2 skeletal warriors (D:15)
  6 salamander mystics
  4 unseen horrors
  A shadow wraith (Vaults:1)
  3 spriggan druids
  2 wizards
  A flayed ghost (Vaults:1)
  A glowing orange brain (Vaults:2)
  4 deep elf archers
  5 deep trolls
  2 phantasmal warriors (D:14)
  2 lindwurms (Swamp:4)
  2 necromancers
  7 swamp dragons
  9 harpies
  5 ironbrand convokers
  6 naga ritualists
  An obsidian statue (Vaults:1)
  13 orc knights
  5 mana vipers
  A manticore (D:11)
  A fire giant zombie (D:15)
  23 ugly things
  3 deep elf magi
  An orc sorcerer (Orc:2)
  18 salamanders
  12 elephants
  An oklob plant (Lair:3)
  4 cyclopes
  6 guardian serpents
  4 centaur zombies
  7 vault sentinels
  3 apocalypse crabs (Swamp:1)
  24 naga magi
  48 black mambas
  Joseph (D:8)
  A torpor snail (Lair:5)
  2 gargoyles (D:15)
  4 rime drakes
  24 spiny frogs
  An efreet (D:15)
  4 komodo dragons
  23 yaktaurs
  5 freezing wraiths
  A komodo dragon (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
  5 trolls
  A polar bear (Lair:4)
  A queen bee (Lair:1)
  4 tyrant leeches
  3 hornets (Swamp:3)
  3 meliai (D:13)
  A queen bee (shapeshifter) (D:13)
  A deep troll zombie (D:15)
  Grinder (D:6)
  11 slime creatures
  An ettin zombie (D:15)
  28 blink frogs
  8 hippogriffs
  6 dream sheep
  4 bog bodies
  2 redbacks (Vaults:1)
  A tarantella (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4)
  A centaur simulacrum (D:15)
  A fire dragon zombie (D:15)
  4 shadows
  2 spriggans (Swamp:3)
  A spriggan (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  A water elemental (D:11)
  5 wraiths
  29 yaks
  4 wyverns
  16 humans
  A basilisk (D:15)
  3 fire bats (Volcano)
  12 vampire mosquitoes
  3 steam dragons
  A hungry ghost (D:10)
  2 wargs
  85 nagas
  A soldier ant (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  9 insubstantial wisps
  2 acid dragons
  4 hell hounds (Volcano)
  7 soldier ants (Lair:2)
  13 water moccasins
  10 swamp worms
  5 porcupines
  Duvessa (D:6)
  4 swamp drakes
  An eye of draining (D:12)
  7 ice beasts
  4 sky beasts
  2 black bears
  46 orc warriors
  24 ogres
  7 boggarts (Vaults:3)
  4 phantoms
  20 wolves
  10 centaurs
  13 crocodiles
  3 big kobolds
  20 bullfrogs
  A gnoll sergeant (D:5)
  Dowan (D:6)
  6 scorpions
  36 killer bees
  8 wights
  6 howler monkeys
  An electric eel (D:11)
  6 crimson imps
  A bullfrog zombie (D:10)
  2 quasits
  6 jellies
  35 orc priests
  5 hounds
  27 orc wizards
  A bullfrog skeleton (D:12)
  4 iguanas
  A merfolk siren (Sewer)
  Natasha (thrice) (D:3)
  32 worker ants
  A merfolk avatar (Sewer)
  A big kobold zombie (Ossuary)
  A hound skeleton (D:4)
  8 mummies (Ossuary)
  A worker ant zombie (D:9)
  5 gnolls
  15 adders
  2 river rats
  9 shadow imps
  A white imp (Gauntlet)
  An adder zombie (D:7)
  2 adder skeletons (D:4)
  2 worms
  7 leopard geckos
  119 orcs
  3 ball pythons
  9 giant cockroaches
  19 goblins
  16 hobgoblins
  13 jackals
  18 kobolds
  8 quokkas
  A ball python skeleton (D:5)
  10 bats
  9 frilled lizards
  A giant cockroach zombie (D:5)
  5 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary)
  2 orc zombies (Ossuary)
  2 quokka skeletons
  2 quokka zombies
  32 rats
  A rat zombie (D:6)
  A bush (Lair:3)
  5 fungi
  3 plants
1494 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Vashnia (Snake:3)
  Xtahua (Vaults:3)
  Jory (Vaults:2)
  5 nagarajas (Snake:4)
  Roxanne (Swamp:4)
  An orc warlord (Orc:1)
  A vault warden (Vaults:2)
  A deep elf sorcerer (Vaults:3)
  2 ironheart preservers
  A very ugly thing (Vaults:2)
  A deep elf annihilator (Vaults:3)
  A deep elf demonologist (Vaults:3)
  A dire elephant (Gauntlet)
  A minotaur (Gauntlet)
  2 ettins
  A fire dragon (Vaults:1)
  3 yaktaur captains (Vaults:2)
  Harold (Orc:1)
  8 hydras
  A vault guard (Vaults:2)
  A shambling mangrove (Swamp:4)
  An alligator (Swamp:3)
  An anaconda (Snake:2)
  A two-headed ogre (D:14)
  3 naga warriors
  2 orc high priests (Orc:2)
  3 naga sharpshooters
  A deep troll earth mage (Vaults:1)
  A fire crab (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4)
  A spriggan druid (Swamp:4)
  2 salamander mystics
  An unseen horror (Vaults:1)
  A naga ritualist (Snake:4)
  A deep troll (Vaults:1)
  2 lindwurms
  4 harpies
  3 swamp dragons (Swamp:4)
  2 orc knights
  A harpy (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  A deep elf archer (Vaults:2)
  4 ugly things
  A salamander (Snake:1)
  An orc sorcerer (Vaults:2)
  A deep elf mage (Vaults:3)
  A salamander (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  A manticore (D:14)
  A faun (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  7 black mambas
  An elephant (Lair:6)
  An apocalypse crab (Swamp:1)
  A vault sentinel (Vaults:1)
  4 guardian serpents
  7 spiny frogs
  6 naga magi
  A centaur skeleton (D:15)
  2 rime drakes
  A freezing wraith (Vaults:2)
  4 komodo dragons
  2 yaktaurs (Vaults:2)
  A troll (D:14)
  4 tyrant leeches (Lair:6)
  A queen bee (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  A hornet (Vaults:2)
  10 blink frogs
  A dream sheep (Lair:3)
  9 slime creatures
  7 yaks
  A vampire mosquito (Swamp:3)
  15 nagas
  5 swamp worms (Swamp:4)
  2 hell hounds (Volcano)
  A porcupine (Lair:3)
  2 water moccasins (Lair:5)
  6 orc warriors
  5 swamp drakes (Swamp:4)
  A black bear (D:11)
  An ice beast (D:15)
  An ogre (Orc:1)
  5 wolves
  4 crocodiles
  2 bullfrogs
  3 wights
  An orc wizard (D:11)
  8 orcs
  4 fungi
  5 plants
221 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  An unseen horror (D:14)
  2 spriggan druids (Swamp:1)
  A naga mage (Snake:1)
  4 dream sheep (D:7)
  A crocodile (Lair:5)
  An orc wizard (D:3)
  19 fungi
  44 plants
  3 withered plants (D:15)
76 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1791 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | Tulse the Hill Orc Gladiator began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 18/18 MP: 1/1
   123 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 24/25 MP: 2/2
   602 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 27/31 MP: 3/3
  1038 | D:2      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  1038 | D:2      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  1040 | D:2      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
  1788 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 40/40 MP: 4/4
  1868 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Axes
  2031 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  2248 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 48/48 MP: 5/5
  2549 | D:3      | Noticed Natasha
  2554 | D:3      | Killed Natasha
  2572 | D:3      | Noticed Natasha
  2581 | D:3      | Killed Natasha
  2621 | D:3      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  2631 | D:3      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  2645 | D:3      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  2647 | D:3      | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Incunabulum of Evil
  2651 | D:3      | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton
  2682 | D:3      | Noticed Natasha
  2705 | D:3      | Killed Natasha
  2859 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 43/57 MP: 6/6
  3243 | D:4      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  3254 | D:4      | Found Vutiank's Weapon Boutique.
  3853 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
  3923 | D:4      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  3940 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 66/66 MP: 7/7
  4185 | D:4      | Noticed an angel
  4186 | D:4      | Found a runed translucent door.
  4855 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  5007 | D:5      | Got a heavily runed ivory ring
  5009 | D:5      | Noticed a hippogriff
  5335 | D:5      | Found a glowing drain.
  5339 | Sewer    | Entered a sewer
  5680 | Sewer    | Reached XP level 8. HP: 74/74 MP: 8/8
  5863 | D:5      | Killed a hippogriff
  6626 | D:6      | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
  6632 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 45/85 MP: 9/9
  6685 | D:6      | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw.
  6712 | D:6      | Noticed Dowan
  6713 | D:6      | Noticed Duvessa
  6750 | D:6      | Killed Duvessa
  6750 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  6760 | D:6      | Killed Dowan
  6907 | D:6      | Found a sand-covered staircase.
  6949 | Ossuary  | Entered an ossuary
  7245 | D:6      | Identified the ring "Pyne" {Wiz Str+4 Dex+5} (You found it
                  | on level 5 of the Dungeon)
  7298 | D:6      | Got a faintly glowing chain mail
  7299 | D:6      | Identified the cursed +1 chain mail of Ennui {Int+6} (You
                  | found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)
  7367 | D:6      | Noticed Grinder
  7380 | D:6      | Killed Grinder
  7932 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy
  8067 | D:7      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  8070 | D:7      | Reached skill level 10 in Axes
  8490 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  8500 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  8714 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 95/96 MP: 10/10
  8796 | D:8      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  8804 | D:8      | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer
  9272 | D:8      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
  9289 | D:8      | Noticed Joseph
  9298 | D:8      | Killed Joseph
  9514 | D:9      | Found Atsukh's Jewellery Boutique.
  9519 | D:9      | Found Ejiut's Assorted Antiques.
  9530 | D:9      | Found Syuc's Book Shoppe.
  9559 | D:9      | Bought a scroll labeled LAPNAE YROAJ for 35 gold pieces
  9559 | D:9      | Bought an iron wand for 140 gold pieces
  9559 | D:9      | Bought a scroll labeled ZOCUWK WUSI for 35 gold pieces
  9715 | D:9      | Found Itecla Safog's General Store.
  9725 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of fear for 38 gold pieces
  9732 | D:9      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  9818 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  9821 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
  9895 | D:9      | Reached * piety under Makhleb
  9960 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting
 10343 | D:9      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
 10427 | D:9      | Found Eblyfod's Distillery.
 10436 | D:9      | Bought a potion of curing for 42 gold pieces
 10436 | D:9      | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 70 gold pieces
 10731 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 10949 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 79/104 MP: 12/12
 10961 | D:10     | Reached ** piety under Makhleb
 11133 | D:10     | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
 11180 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 11186 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 11387 | D:10     | Reached *** piety under Makhleb
 12912 | Lair:1   | Reached **** piety under Makhleb
 14270 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 112/115 MP: 15/15
 14335 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 15 in Axes
 14681 | Lair:2   | Noticed a queen ant
 14721 | Lair:2   | Killed a queen ant
 14768 | Lair:2   | Reached ***** piety under Makhleb
 14790 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing
 15699 | Lair:3   | Found a dark tunnel.
 15712 | Volcano  | Entered a volcano
 16439 | Lair:3   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 16451 | Lair:3   | Killed a two-headed hydra
 16456 | Lair:3   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 16467 | Lair:3   | Killed a two-headed hydra
 16473 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 16635 | Lair:3   | Got a warped shield
 16665 | Lair:3   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 16675 | Lair:3   | Killed a three-headed hydra
 16782 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 97/124 MP: 16/16
 16831 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 17332 | Lair:4   | Got a transparent longbow
 17427 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
 17648 | Lair:4   | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink
 17829 | Lair:4   | Got a bloodstained hunting sling
 17885 | Lair:4   | Identified the +9 hunting sling of Liunoc {flame, rF+} (You
                  | found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)
 18200 | Lair:5   | Found a gate leading to a gauntlet.
 18220 | Gauntlet | Entered a Gauntlet
 18220 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter.
 18223 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter.
 18237 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter.
 18251 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter.
 18253 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter.
 18263 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter.
 18276 | Gauntlet | Noticed a dire elephant
 18278 | Gauntlet | Found a runed translucent gate.
 18279 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter.
 18279 | Gauntlet | Found a runed translucent gate.
 18280 | Gauntlet | Found a runed translucent gate.
 18289 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter.
 18293 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter.
 18293 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter.
 18312 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter.
 18318 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter.
 18344 | Gauntlet | Found a runed translucent door.
 18345 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter.
 18346 | Gauntlet | Found a runed translucent door.
 18349 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter.
 18662 | Gauntlet | Killed a dire elephant
 18674 | Gauntlet | Got a transparent tin ring
 18899 | Gauntlet | Noticed a minotaur
 18909 | Gauntlet | Killed a minotaur
 19206 | Lair:5   | Noticed Snorg
 19206 | Lair:5   | Noticed Rupert
 19237 | Lair:5   | Killed Snorg
 19238 | Lair:5   | Killed Rupert
 19392 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
 19644 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 19902 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 20068 | Lair:5   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 117/135 MP: 19/19
 20140 | Lair:5   | Reached ****** piety under Makhleb
 20282 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 20317 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 20587 | Lair:6   | Identified the ring of Salvation {rCorr +Fly} (You found it
                  | in a Gauntlet)
 21597 | D:11     | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure.
 21974 | D:11     | Got a transparent ring mail
 22132 | D:11     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 143/143 MP: 22/22
 22281 | D:11     | Found Jegoess's General Store.
 22303 | D:11     | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 39 gold pieces
 22708 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 22733 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 22736 | Orc:1    | Noticed Harold
 22753 | Orc:1    | Noticed Erica
 22761 | Orc:1    | Killed Harold
 22768 | Orc:1    | Killed Erica
 23220 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 23318 | Orc:2    | Noticed an orc warlord
 23335 | Orc:1    | Killed an orc warlord
 23401 | Orc:2    | Paralysed by an orc sorcerer for 2 turns
 23665 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 23778 | Orc:1    | Noticed Urug
 23817 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations
 23837 | Orc:2    | Killed Urug
 23923 | Orc:1    | Found Gifichid's Magic Scroll Shop.
 23930 | Orc:1    | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 36 gold pieces
 23930 | Orc:1    | Bought a scroll of blinking for 90 gold pieces
 23930 | Orc:1    | Bought a scroll of blinking for 90 gold pieces
 23930 | Orc:1    | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 36 gold pieces
 23930 | Orc:1    | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 36 gold pieces
 23930 | Orc:1    | Bought a scroll of fear for 42 gold pieces
 25157 | Orc:2    | Found Mepluife's Armour Shop.
 25157 | Orc:2    | Found Hocril's Gadget Shop.
 25158 | Orc:2    | Found Xuv Adghe's Assorted Antiques.
 25158 | Orc:2    | Found Keod's Magic Scroll Shop.
 25166 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll labeled XEBIT MIHAGAR for 26 gold pieces
 25168 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of blinking for 97 gold pieces
 25314 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 78 gold pieces
 25314 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon for 195 gold pieces
 25314 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 78 gold pieces
 25331 | Orc:2    | Identified the +1 ring mail of Ahocotwei {-Tele rCorr MP+9
                  | Str-2} (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon)
 25345 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of identify for 26 gold pieces
 25345 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 97 gold pieces
 25345 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of summoning for 123 gold pieces
 25603 | D:9      | Bought 2 potions of haste for 220 gold pieces
 26300 | D:13     | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations
 26338 | D:13     | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 26391 | D:13     | HP: 4/144 [meliai/divine providence (13)]
 26952 | D:13     | Found a transporter.
 27090 | D:13     | Found a transporter.
 27091 | D:13     | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
 27220 | D:14     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 27252 | D:13     | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 27267 | D:14     | Reached XP level 16. HP: 151/151 MP: 24/24
 27395 | D:14     | Found Moryduo's Antique Armour Shop.
 27572 | D:14     | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
 28004 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 28119 | D:15     | Found Wuocyish's Armour Shoppe.
 28520 | D:15     | Reached skill level 10 in Throwing
 28756 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 29554 | Swamp:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp
 29580 | Swamp:1  | Found a runed translucent door.
 32027 | Swamp:3  | Reached XP level 17. HP: 153/158 MP: 26/26
 32080 | Swamp:3  | Identified the +6 hand axe of Valiance {venom, rPois Int-4
                  | Dex+6} (You found it on level 3 of the Swamp)
 32968 | Swamp:4  | Entered Level 4 of the Swamp
 32968 | Swamp:4  | Noticed Mara
 32968 | Swamp:4  | Identified Roxanne's Grimoire of Moulding
 32968 | Swamp:4  | Noticed Roxanne
 33241 | Swamp:4  | Got a decaying rune of Zot
 33936 | Swamp:4  | Noticed Tulse's illusion
 33951 | Swamp:4  | Killed Mara
 34015 | Swamp:4  | Killed Roxanne
 34687 | Snake:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit
 35642 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 36154 | Vaults:1 | Found Borutec's Antique Armour Shop.
 36197 | Vaults:1 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 166/166 MP: 28/28
 37134 | Vaults:2 | HP: 4/168 [yaktaur captain/bolt (28)]
 37289 | Vaults:2 | Gained mutation: Your magical capacity is low. (-10% MP) [a
                  | cacodemon]
 37295 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Armour
 37402 | Vaults:2 | Found a staircase to the Crypt.
 37402 | Vaults:2 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 37403 | Vaults:2 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
 37592 | Vaults:2 | Noticed Jory
 37633 | Vaults:2 | HP: 4/169 [orc sorcerer/bolt of fire[an orc knight] (19)]
 37634 | Vaults:2 | Killed Jory
 38164 | Vaults:2 | Noticed a tentacled monstrosity
 38177 | Vaults:2 | Killed a tentacled monstrosity
 38407 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 38598 | Vaults:2 | Found a runed translucent gate.
 38598 | Vaults:2 | Noticed a tentacled monstrosity
 38599 | Vaults:2 | Found a runed translucent gate.
 38599 | Vaults:2 | Found a runed translucent gate.
 38900 | Vaults:2 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 143/178 MP: 26/26
 39275 | Vaults:3 | Noticed Xtahua
 39294 | Vaults:3 | Killed Xtahua
 39656 | Vaults:3 | Found Esekeng's Antique Weapon Shoppe.
 39703 | Vaults:3 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
 42222 | Snake:2  | Upgraded the game from 0.23.2-33-g5129a83 to
                  | 0.23.2-34-gc172519
 42670 | Snake:2  | Reached XP level 20. HP: 191/191 MP: 27/27
 42815 | Snake:3  | Got a pitted steel amulet
 42816 | Snake:3  | Identified the amulet "Aceraf" {Spirit MR+ SInv} (You found
                  | it on level 3 of the Snake Pit)
 43149 | Snake:3  | Learned a level 1 spell: Confusing Touch
 43351 | Snake:3  | Reached skill level 1 in Hexes
 43689 | Snake:3  | Noticed Vashnia
 44954 | Snake:3  | Killed Vashnia
 45044 | Snake:4  | Entered Level 4 of the Snake Pit
 45437 | Snake:4  | Identified the amulet of the Mutiny {RegenMP rPois}
 45526 | Snake:4  | Noticed Aizul
 45545 | Snake:4  | Killed Aizul
 45571 | Snake:4  | Noticed Asterion
 45691 | Snake:3  | Killed Asterion
 46228 | Snake:4  | Cast into level 1 of the Abyss (naga)
 46269 | Snake:4  | Escaped the Abyss
 46380 | Snake:4  | Reached XP level 21. HP: 192/200 MP: 26/28
 46509 | Snake:4  | Got a serpentine rune of Zot
 47070 | Snake:4  | Reached skill level 15 in Invocations

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------+-----
Throwing       |     2                          4  6  7     9 11 12       13 14 | 14.0
Fighting       |     3  4  5  6  7  8 10 11 12 13 14 15    16       17 19    20 | 20.0
Axes           |           5     6  7  8 10 13 14 17    18 19    20             | 20.0
Armour         |                 1  3  4  6  8        9 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 | 18.3
Necromancy     |                          2                                     |  2.1
Spellcasting   |                             1                                  |  1.0
Invocations    |                                4     7  9 10 12 14          15 | 15.1
Dodging        |                                      4  6  7     8 10 11       | 11.4
Translocations |                                            2  3                |  3.0
Hexes          |                                                           2    |  2.1

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: War axe           |    96 |   205 |   381 |    36 |       |       |       ||   718
       Trident           |       |       |     2 |    13 |       |       |       ||    15
       Battleaxe         |       |       |   105 |   708 |  1347 |  1329 |  1518 ||  5007
       Dagger            |       |       |       |    14 |       |       |       ||    14
 Fire: Hunting sling     |     9 |    43 |    73 |    54 |     8 |       |       ||   187
Throw: Stone             |     1 |     5 |     9 |       |       |       |       ||    15
       Tomahawk          |       |       |     2 |    24 |    94 |   154 |    60 ||   334
       Javelin           |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
 Cast: Animate Skeleton  |       |       |       |     8 |   167 |   123 |   164 ||   462
       Blink             |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
Invok: Minor Destruction |       |       |       |     8 |     1 |       |       ||     9
       Lesser Servant of |       |       |       |     3 |    12 |    10 |    10 ||    35
       Greater Servant o |       |       |       |       |       |     4 |     3 ||     7
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |       |     2 |       |     8 ||    10
       Phantom mirror    |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |       |       |    16 |     7 |    16 |     8 |     6 ||    53
       Potion            |       |       |     1 |     6 |     5 |     9 |     6 ||    27
 Stab: Sleeping          |     1 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||     1
       Distracted        |       |       |       |     3 |    17 |    14 |    19 ||    53
  Eat: Chunk             |     3 |     7 |    12 |    22 |    44 |    35 |    19 ||   142
       Ration            |       |       |     1 |     2 |       |     3 |     7 ||    13
Armor: Leather armour    |    43 |    34 |       |       |       |       |       ||    77
       Scale mail        |       |    42 |       |       |       |       |       ||    42
       Chain mail        |       |    28 |   305 |   639 |   774 |   778 |   869 ||  3393
       Skin              |       |       |       |    35 |       |       |    16 ||    51
Dodge: Dodged            |    58 |    97 |   179 |   397 |   754 |   713 |   767 ||  2965
Block: Shield            |    23 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||    23
       Buckler           |    12 |    55 |    85 |       |       |       |       ||   152


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Post Tuesday, 13th August 2019, 15:45

Re: HOGl^Mak advice

The glowing crystal plate is probably just +2 or something like that. Especially with the huge crystal plate ER I won't be in too much of a hurry with it.

The artefact amulet looks like an upgrade in many stages of the game. MR+ is good in vaults and orc and elf and everywhere else, spirit shield is good against torment and other threats. Sinv is just nice to have.
That said, Mahkleb Simons are really strong, especially early on.
There should be parts of the game which are relatively easy. For example, depths will be easy if you do a lot of vaults & slime etc before doing depths. You can create an easy part of the game by doing a harder branch before an easier one. I'd switch right before starting an easy branch.

PS: with your throwing skill and the rcorr plate armour, slime should be easy.

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Post Wednesday, 14th August 2019, 19:15

Re: HOGl^Mak advice

Guardian spirit is a very strong amulet/scarf typing. For non casters it mostly gives you extra HP equal to your MP (rough, but close enough), but even some caster types can benefit. MR is a useful add-on, and sinv is a convenient one.

Losing piety hurts but once you build it back up piety income is still enough to bring demons into every potentially dangerous fight, you don't need faith to do that. It helps but isn't crucial.

A few months ago we had this discussion between GS and faith on the CSDC felid berserker week. Some advocated for faith to use BIA more with Trog, but I pointed out that two of the top users of BIA among winning submissions used BIA > 100 times and didn't carry faith (I was one of them...both the other guy and I used GS :p). The piety will be there, stuff that keeps you alive is the priority and that's usually (but not always) GS over faith.

When really relying on spells for damage GS is a lot less attractive since it might hit you out of range to cast a survival/utility/repositioning spell. In that case faith is worth considering, as are some alternatives like mana regen with the regen spell in hell to limit time spent resting/healing.
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Post Wednesday, 14th August 2019, 19:31

Re: HOGl^Mak advice

I just answer about the last question that hasn't been discussed yet : Undeadhunter. It can be good but is also very situationnal. If you plan to get Tomb rune this can help. For a 15 runes games you'll have too much experience anyway, so you can train some Maces levels, but only do it when on point to use it.
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Post Wednesday, 14th August 2019, 20:38

Re: HOGl^Mak advice

I personally would wait for the crystal plate armour. I think that would be very good for this character (if it is not negatively enchanted). I would spend all enchant armour scrolls on it.

It is strange that you have not found any plate mail, though - your chain mail is not very good, being only +1. The artifact plate is only +3, that's not high enough for me to buy it.

I also would not train for undeadhunter, it is too situational. I would go for an executioner axe first if I have endless XP from extended instead - that would be good against everything.

I personally like guardian spirit over faith on makhleb, I never found makhleb a very piety hungry god. I rarely used greater destruction and used summons mostly with her.

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Post Wednesday, 14th August 2019, 21:55

Re: HOGl^Mak advice

Undead hunter hits even harder than holy against undead but is brandless against other things. Not worth a weapon switch. Very much worth respecting on monsters if you're undead yourself, and OK to use situationally if you're training M & F anyway or cross trained that high. Otherwise not worth.

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Post Thursday, 15th August 2019, 00:24

Re: HOGl^Mak advice

1) I'd get the +3 plate. The rationale is that it provides you with so many resists, that it will increase your options for other armour/jewelry slots and be a net gain overall, even with AC possible.

2) I'd use the spirit artefact amulet over the faith because you're not much of a caster, it provides better defenses overall and the MR and the SInv. Faith kind of sucks, and you don't run out of piety with TSO and even if you keep Mak, summoning demons to handle extended is iffy at best, it's the life on kill that matters and that doesn't cost piety.

3) If you don't have shields trained at all, the headhunter great mace is pretty decent. You'll fight a lot of undead in hell and everywhere, but you're also a hill orc with strong aptitudes in shield training and you're not a caster. I advise an eveningstar + large shield instead (holy brand or crushing), and/or a broad axe and large shield (again holy or crushing). You can get the holy brand on those by switching to TSO, which will be better for your extended run than Mak.

Good luck!

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