HOGl^Mak advice

Tuesday, 13th August 2019, 14:19 by Tulse

I have a HOGl^Mak at XL21 that I eventually hope to take into extended.

Q1: Budgeting advice -

I currently have 2267g and the following on my shopping list:

1351g - the +3 plate armour of Ohiklets {rElec rC rN++ rCorr}
3071g - a glowing crystal plate armour

I can buy Ohiklets right now and the resists are great, so assume I should do that, but if I go for 15 runes I'm also assuming I'll eventually need more AC - should I just cross that bridge when I come to it?

Q2: Amulet -

I'm currently wearing plain Faith but I've found a decent randart now: the amulet "Aceraf" {Spirit MR+ SInv}

How good is Faith (considering demons are my only spammable buff for harder fights) compared to an average kind of artefact like this for my character, and when is the best time to upgrade?

Q3: Fixed art weapon -

I found the +7 great mace "Undeadhunter" {disrupt, rN+} - this seems really good?? If I'm able to reach Tomb etc. should I put some points towards lowering the delay to compliment my axes?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.23.2-34-gc172519 (webtiles) character file. Tulse the Severer (Hill Orc Gladiator) Turns: 47978, Time: 05:08:37 Health: 201/201 AC: 36 Str: 21 XL: 21 Next: 32% Magic: 29/29 EV: 14 Int: 23 God: Makhleb [******] Gold: 2267 SH: 0 Dex: 12 Spells: 18/22 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . a - +2 battleaxe (vamp) rCold . . . Gourm . (shield currently unavailable) rNeg . . . Faith + o - +1 chain mail of Ennui {Int+6} rPois + Spirit . V - +2 helmet {Int+3} rElec . Reflect . A - +2 cloak rCorr . Harm . m - +2 pair of gloves MR +.... l - +2 pair of boots Stlth .......... M - amulet of faith HPRegen 0.43/turn K - ring of poison resistance MPRegen 0.21/turn c - +6 ring of protection @: no status effects A: low mp 1 }: 2/15 runes: decaying, serpentine a: Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Major Destruction, Greater Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Makhleb. Makhleb is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and seen 36 of its levels. You have visited the Abyss 1 time. You have also visited: Sewer, Ossuary, Gauntlet and Volcano. You have collected 3936 gold pieces. You have spent 1669 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand Weapons a - a +2 vampiric battleaxe (weapon) u - the +7 great mace "Undeadhunter" {disrupt, rN+} (You took it off a minotaur in a Gauntlet) It protects you from negative energy. Missiles d - 59 tomahawks (quivered) f - 14 javelins z - 7 throwing nets Armour l - a +2 pair of boots (worn) m - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) o - the +1 chain mail of Ennui (worn) {Int+6} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) It affects your intelligence (+6). p - a +1 helmet of see invisible A - a +2 cloak (worn) V - a +2 helmet of intelligence (worn) Jewellery b - an uncursed ring of fire c - a +6 ring of protection (right hand) F - an uncursed ring of protection from cold K - a ring of poison resistance (left hand) M - an amulet of faith (around neck) P - the ring "Pyne" {Wiz Str+4 Dex+5} (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon) [ring of wizardry] It improves your spell success rate. It affects your strength (+4). It affects your dexterity (+5). Q - the ring of Salvation {rCorr +Fly} (You found it in a Gauntlet) [ring of resist corrosion] It lets you fly. Wands k - a wand of paralysis (15) E - a wand of scattershot (9) G - a wand of iceblast (36) O - a wand of digging (6) R - a wand of enslavement (14) W - a wand of acid (3) Scrolls i - 10 scrolls of magic mapping n - 4 scrolls of holy word t - 10 scrolls of fear v - 12 scrolls of blinking w - 2 scrolls of silence I - 18 scrolls of teleportation N - a scroll of summoning U - 10 scrolls of identify Z - 5 scrolls of fog Potions g - 2 potions of invisibility h - 13 potions of flight j - 6 potions of agility r - 3 potions of cancellation s - 13 potions of curing B - 6 potions of resistance D - 4 potions of haste H - 2 potions of brilliance J - a potion of heal wounds L - 2 potions of berserk rage S - 4 potions of mutation X - a potion of might Miscellaneous x - a fan of gales Comestibles Y - 74 rations Skills: + Level 20.0 Fighting - Level 20.0 Axes + Level 14.0 Throwing * Level 18.3 Armour - Level 11.4 Dodging - Level 1.0 Spellcasting - Level 2.1 Hexes - Level 2.1 Necromancy - Level 3.0 Translocations + Level 15.1 Invocations You have 18 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Confusing Touch Hex ##.... 26% 1 ##..... b - Blink Tloc N/A 26% 2 ###.... z - Animate Skeleton Necr N/A 26% 1 ##..... Your spell library contains the following spells: Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger Corona Hex ##..... 26% 1 ##..... Pain Necr ##.. 26% 1 ##..... Slow Hex ##...... 36% 2 ###.... Shroud of Golubria Chrm/Tloc #......... 43% 2 ###.... Gell's Gravitas Tloc ##........ 45% 3 ####... Beastly Appendage Tmut #..... 52% 1 ##..... Freeze Ice #... 52% 1 ##..... Infusion Chrm #... 52% 1 ##..... Magic Dart Conj #... 52% 1 ##..... Ensorcelled Hibernation Hex/Ice #..... 52% 2 ###.... Confuse Hex ##...... 58% 3 ####... Tukima's Dance Hex ##...... 58% 3 ####... Vampiric Draining Necr ##........ 58% 3 ####... Call Imp Summ #....... 65% 2 ###.... Song of Slaying Chrm #....... 65% 2 ###.... Sticks to Snakes Tmut #....... 65% 2 ###.... Throw Frost Conj/Ice #..... 65% 2 ###.... Recall Summ/Tloc N/A 67% 3 ####... Dazzling Spray Conj/Hex #..... 75% 3 ####... Regeneration Chrm/Necr #......... 75% 3 ####... Spectral Weapon Hex/Chrm #....... 75% 3 ####... Conjure Flame Conj/Fire #....... 87% 3 ####... Ignite Poison Fire/Tmut/Pois #....... 87% 3 ####... Mephitic Cloud Conj/Pois/Air #....... 87% 3 ####... Ozocubu's Armour Chrm/Ice #....... 87% 3 ####... Spider Form Tmut/Pois #......... 87% 3 ####... Static Discharge Conj/Air #....... 87% 3 ####... Animate Dead Necr N/A 94% 4 #####.. Ice Form Ice/Tmut #....... 99% 4 #####.. Petrify Tmut/Erth #....... 99% 4 #####.. Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summ #....... 99% 4 #####.. Summon Lightning Spire Summ/Air #....... 99% 4 #####.. Throw Icicle Conj/Ice #....... 99% 4 #####.. Blade Hands Tmut #......... 100% 5 ######. Borgnjor's Vile Clutch Necr/Erth #......... 100% 5 ######. Lightning Bolt Conj/Air #......... 100% 5 ######. Metabolic Englaciation Hex/Ice #......... 100% 5 ######. Silence Hex/Air #......... 100% 5 ######. Yara's Violent Unravell Hex/Tmut #......... 100% 5 ######. Conjure Ball Lightning Conj/Air #......... 100% 6 ####### Death Channel Necr ##........ 100% 6 ####### Deflect Missiles Chrm/Air #......... 100% 6 ####### Simulacrum Ice/Necr #......... 100% 6 ####### Statue Form Tmut/Erth #........ 100% 6 ####### Ignition Fire #......... 100% 8 ####### Shatter Erth #......... 100% 9 ####### Tornado Air #......... 100% 9 ####### Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair (6/6) D:9 Swamp (4/4) Lair:3 Snake (4/4) Lair:3 Slime (0/5) Lair:5 Orc (2/2) D:11 Elf (0/3) Orc:2 Vaults (4/5) D:14 Crypt (0/3) Vaults:2 Depths (0/5) D:15 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Hepliaklqana Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Uskayaw Vehumet Wu Jian Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Lugonu Shops: D:4 ( D:9 !*=*: D:11 * D:14 [ D:15 [ Orc:1 ? Orc:2 }?*[ Vaults:1 [ Vaults:3 ( Portals: Trove: D:11 (give 2 scrolls of acquirement) Annotations: D:4 1 runed translucent door D:13 2 transporters Vaults:2 3 runed translucent doors Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations Your magical capacity is low. (-10% MP) Message History Okay, then. Unknown command. New annotation for Lair:1 (include '!' for warning): Okay, then. There is a staircase back to the Dungeon here. Items here: ??????? Okay, then. Unknown command. Done exploring. That item cannot be evoked! Okay, then. Unknown command. Unknown command. Unknown command. Unknown command. Unknown command. Save game and exit? Welcome back, Tulse the Hill Orc Gladiator. Blood and souls for Makhleb! Press ? for a list of commands and other information. ###.#.# ##..#####............ #..#### ##..# #............ #### #..# ##........... #..# #..........# #..# #........### ##.## ##..##..## #..# ##...##### #..# #.#.## #@!###....### # #<"|#.......## ## ##(#.........## #. #............#### #.............## #..............## ##...............# ##................# #.................# There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Mara (Swamp:4) A tentacled monstrosity (Vaults:2) Rupert (Lair:5) Asterion (Snake:3) A thorn hunter (Swamp:3) 11 nagarajas Aizul (Snake:4) 6 vault wardens A cacodemon (Vaults:2) A deep elf sorcerer (Vaults:2) 4 ironheart preservers 4 very ugly things A war gargoyle (Vaults:3) An entropy weaver (Vaults:1) 2 stone giants (Vaults:2) Snorg (Lair:5) 2 fire dragons (Vaults:1) 29 naga warriors A great orb of eyes (Vaults:2) 2 rakshasas 4 vault guards (Vaults:2) 6 ghost crabs (Swamp:1) 8 anacondas 13 hydras 2 death knights 2 ice dragons 17 two-headed ogres Erica (Orc:1) 5 ogre magi 7 centaur warriors A queen ant (Lair:2) 10 alligators 4 orc high priests A tengu warrior (D:15) Urug (Orc:2) 7 shock serpents 36 naga sharpshooters 6 death yaks (Lair:5) A deep elf knight (Vaults:3) A vampire mage (D:15) 2 skeletal warriors (D:15) 6 salamander mystics 4 unseen horrors A shadow wraith (Vaults:1) 3 spriggan druids 2 wizards A flayed ghost (Vaults:1) A glowing orange brain (Vaults:2) 4 deep elf archers 5 deep trolls 2 phantasmal warriors (D:14) 2 lindwurms (Swamp:4) 2 necromancers 7 swamp dragons 9 harpies 5 ironbrand convokers 6 naga ritualists An obsidian statue (Vaults:1) 13 orc knights 5 mana vipers A manticore (D:11) A fire giant zombie (D:15) 23 ugly things 3 deep elf magi An orc sorcerer (Orc:2) 18 salamanders 12 elephants An oklob plant (Lair:3) 4 cyclopes 6 guardian serpents 4 centaur zombies 7 vault sentinels 3 apocalypse crabs (Swamp:1) 24 naga magi 48 black mambas Joseph (D:8) A torpor snail (Lair:5) 2 gargoyles (D:15) 4 rime drakes 24 spiny frogs An efreet (D:15) 4 komodo dragons 23 yaktaurs 5 freezing wraiths A komodo dragon (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3) 5 trolls A polar bear (Lair:4) A queen bee (Lair:1) 4 tyrant leeches 3 hornets (Swamp:3) 3 meliai (D:13) A queen bee (shapeshifter) (D:13) A deep troll zombie (D:15) Grinder (D:6) 11 slime creatures An ettin zombie (D:15) 28 blink frogs 8 hippogriffs 6 dream sheep 4 bog bodies 2 redbacks (Vaults:1) A tarantella (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4) A centaur simulacrum (D:15) A fire dragon zombie (D:15) 4 shadows 2 spriggans (Swamp:3) A spriggan (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) A water elemental (D:11) 5 wraiths 29 yaks 4 wyverns 16 humans A basilisk (D:15) 3 fire bats (Volcano) 12 vampire mosquitoes 3 steam dragons A hungry ghost (D:10) 2 wargs 85 nagas A soldier ant (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) 9 insubstantial wisps 2 acid dragons 4 hell hounds (Volcano) 7 soldier ants (Lair:2) 13 water moccasins 10 swamp worms 5 porcupines Duvessa (D:6) 4 swamp drakes An eye of draining (D:12) 7 ice beasts 4 sky beasts 2 black bears 46 orc warriors 24 ogres 7 boggarts (Vaults:3) 4 phantoms 20 wolves 10 centaurs 13 crocodiles 3 big kobolds 20 bullfrogs A gnoll sergeant (D:5) Dowan (D:6) 6 scorpions 36 killer bees 8 wights 6 howler monkeys An electric eel (D:11) 6 crimson imps A bullfrog zombie (D:10) 2 quasits 6 jellies 35 orc priests 5 hounds 27 orc wizards A bullfrog skeleton (D:12) 4 iguanas A merfolk siren (Sewer) Natasha (thrice) (D:3) 32 worker ants A merfolk avatar (Sewer) A big kobold zombie (Ossuary) A hound skeleton (D:4) 8 mummies (Ossuary) A worker ant zombie (D:9) 5 gnolls 15 adders 2 river rats 9 shadow imps A white imp (Gauntlet) An adder zombie (D:7) 2 adder skeletons (D:4) 2 worms 7 leopard geckos 119 orcs 3 ball pythons 9 giant cockroaches 19 goblins 16 hobgoblins 13 jackals 18 kobolds 8 quokkas A ball python skeleton (D:5) 10 bats 9 frilled lizards A giant cockroach zombie (D:5) 5 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary) 2 orc zombies (Ossuary) 2 quokka skeletons 2 quokka zombies 32 rats A rat zombie (D:6) A bush (Lair:3) 5 fungi 3 plants 1494 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) Vashnia (Snake:3) Xtahua (Vaults:3) Jory (Vaults:2) 5 nagarajas (Snake:4) Roxanne (Swamp:4) An orc warlord (Orc:1) A vault warden (Vaults:2) A deep elf sorcerer (Vaults:3) 2 ironheart preservers A very ugly thing (Vaults:2) A deep elf annihilator (Vaults:3) A deep elf demonologist (Vaults:3) A dire elephant (Gauntlet) A minotaur (Gauntlet) 2 ettins A fire dragon (Vaults:1) 3 yaktaur captains (Vaults:2) Harold (Orc:1) 8 hydras A vault guard (Vaults:2) A shambling mangrove (Swamp:4) An alligator (Swamp:3) An anaconda (Snake:2) A two-headed ogre (D:14) 3 naga warriors 2 orc high priests (Orc:2) 3 naga sharpshooters A deep troll earth mage (Vaults:1) A fire crab (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4) A spriggan druid (Swamp:4) 2 salamander mystics An unseen horror (Vaults:1) A naga ritualist (Snake:4) A deep troll (Vaults:1) 2 lindwurms 4 harpies 3 swamp dragons (Swamp:4) 2 orc knights A harpy (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) A deep elf archer (Vaults:2) 4 ugly things A salamander (Snake:1) An orc sorcerer (Vaults:2) A deep elf mage (Vaults:3) A salamander (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) A manticore (D:14) A faun (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1) 7 black mambas An elephant (Lair:6) An apocalypse crab (Swamp:1) A vault sentinel (Vaults:1) 4 guardian serpents 7 spiny frogs 6 naga magi A centaur skeleton (D:15) 2 rime drakes A freezing wraith (Vaults:2) 4 komodo dragons 2 yaktaurs (Vaults:2) A troll (D:14) 4 tyrant leeches (Lair:6) A queen bee (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) A hornet (Vaults:2) 10 blink frogs A dream sheep (Lair:3) 9 slime creatures 7 yaks A vampire mosquito (Swamp:3) 15 nagas 5 swamp worms (Swamp:4) 2 hell hounds (Volcano) A porcupine (Lair:3) 2 water moccasins (Lair:5) 6 orc warriors 5 swamp drakes (Swamp:4) A black bear (D:11) An ice beast (D:15) An ogre (Orc:1) 5 wolves 4 crocodiles 2 bullfrogs 3 wights An orc wizard (D:11) 8 orcs 4 fungi 5 plants 221 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) An unseen horror (D:14) 2 spriggan druids (Swamp:1) A naga mage (Snake:1) 4 dream sheep (D:7) A crocodile (Lair:5) An orc wizard (D:3) 19 fungi 44 plants 3 withered plants (D:15) 76 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 1791 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Tulse the Hill Orc Gladiator began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 18/18 MP: 1/1 123 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 24/25 MP: 2/2 602 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 27/31 MP: 3/3 1038 | D:2 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 1038 | D:2 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 1040 | D:2 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 1788 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 40/40 MP: 4/4 1868 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Axes 2031 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 2248 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 48/48 MP: 5/5 2549 | D:3 | Noticed Natasha 2554 | D:3 | Killed Natasha 2572 | D:3 | Noticed Natasha 2581 | D:3 | Killed Natasha 2621 | D:3 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 2631 | D:3 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 2645 | D:3 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 2647 | D:3 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Incunabulum of Evil 2651 | D:3 | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton 2682 | D:3 | Noticed Natasha 2705 | D:3 | Killed Natasha 2859 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 43/57 MP: 6/6 3243 | D:4 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 3254 | D:4 | Found Vutiank's Weapon Boutique. 3853 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 3923 | D:4 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 3940 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 66/66 MP: 7/7 4185 | D:4 | Noticed an angel 4186 | D:4 | Found a runed translucent door. 4855 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 5007 | D:5 | Got a heavily runed ivory ring 5009 | D:5 | Noticed a hippogriff 5335 | D:5 | Found a glowing drain. 5339 | Sewer | Entered a sewer 5680 | Sewer | Reached XP level 8. HP: 74/74 MP: 8/8 5863 | D:5 | Killed a hippogriff 6626 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 6632 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 45/85 MP: 9/9 6685 | D:6 | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw. 6712 | D:6 | Noticed Dowan 6713 | D:6 | Noticed Duvessa 6750 | D:6 | Killed Duvessa 6750 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 6760 | D:6 | Killed Dowan 6907 | D:6 | Found a sand-covered staircase. 6949 | Ossuary | Entered an ossuary 7245 | D:6 | Identified the ring "Pyne" {Wiz Str+4 Dex+5} (You found it | on level 5 of the Dungeon) 7298 | D:6 | Got a faintly glowing chain mail 7299 | D:6 | Identified the cursed +1 chain mail of Ennui {Int+6} (You | found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) 7367 | D:6 | Noticed Grinder 7380 | D:6 | Killed Grinder 7932 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 8067 | D:7 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 8070 | D:7 | Reached skill level 10 in Axes 8490 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 8500 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 8714 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 95/96 MP: 10/10 8796 | D:8 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 8804 | D:8 | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer 9272 | D:8 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag. 9289 | D:8 | Noticed Joseph 9298 | D:8 | Killed Joseph 9514 | D:9 | Found Atsukh's Jewellery Boutique. 9519 | D:9 | Found Ejiut's Assorted Antiques. 9530 | D:9 | Found Syuc's Book Shoppe. 9559 | D:9 | Bought a scroll labeled LAPNAE YROAJ for 35 gold pieces 9559 | D:9 | Bought an iron wand for 140 gold pieces 9559 | D:9 | Bought a scroll labeled ZOCUWK WUSI for 35 gold pieces 9715 | D:9 | Found Itecla Safog's General Store. 9725 | D:9 | Bought a scroll of fear for 38 gold pieces 9732 | D:9 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 9818 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 9821 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 9895 | D:9 | Reached * piety under Makhleb 9960 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting 10343 | D:9 | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru. 10427 | D:9 | Found Eblyfod's Distillery. 10436 | D:9 | Bought a potion of curing for 42 gold pieces 10436 | D:9 | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 70 gold pieces 10731 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 10949 | D:9 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 79/104 MP: 12/12 10961 | D:10 | Reached ** piety under Makhleb 11133 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations 11180 | D:10 | Noticed a two-headed ogre 11186 | D:10 | Killed a two-headed ogre 11387 | D:10 | Reached *** piety under Makhleb 12912 | Lair:1 | Reached **** piety under Makhleb 14270 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 112/115 MP: 15/15 14335 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Axes 14681 | Lair:2 | Noticed a queen ant 14721 | Lair:2 | Killed a queen ant 14768 | Lair:2 | Reached ***** piety under Makhleb 14790 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing 15699 | Lair:3 | Found a dark tunnel. 15712 | Volcano | Entered a volcano 16439 | Lair:3 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 16451 | Lair:3 | Killed a two-headed hydra 16456 | Lair:3 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 16467 | Lair:3 | Killed a two-headed hydra 16473 | Lair:3 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 16635 | Lair:3 | Got a warped shield 16665 | Lair:3 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 16675 | Lair:3 | Killed a three-headed hydra 16782 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 97/124 MP: 16/16 16831 | Lair:3 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 17332 | Lair:4 | Got a transparent longbow 17427 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 17648 | Lair:4 | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink 17829 | Lair:4 | Got a bloodstained hunting sling 17885 | Lair:4 | Identified the +9 hunting sling of Liunoc {flame, rF+} (You | found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts) 18200 | Lair:5 | Found a gate leading to a gauntlet. 18220 | Gauntlet | Entered a Gauntlet 18220 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter. 18223 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter. 18237 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter. 18251 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter. 18253 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter. 18263 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter. 18276 | Gauntlet | Noticed a dire elephant 18278 | Gauntlet | Found a runed translucent gate. 18279 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter. 18279 | Gauntlet | Found a runed translucent gate. 18280 | Gauntlet | Found a runed translucent gate. 18289 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter. 18293 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter. 18293 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter. 18312 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter. 18318 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter. 18344 | Gauntlet | Found a runed translucent door. 18345 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter. 18346 | Gauntlet | Found a runed translucent door. 18349 | Gauntlet | Found a transporter. 18662 | Gauntlet | Killed a dire elephant 18674 | Gauntlet | Got a transparent tin ring 18899 | Gauntlet | Noticed a minotaur 18909 | Gauntlet | Killed a minotaur 19206 | Lair:5 | Noticed Snorg 19206 | Lair:5 | Noticed Rupert 19237 | Lair:5 | Killed Snorg 19238 | Lair:5 | Killed Rupert 19392 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting 19644 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 19902 | Lair:6 | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts 20068 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 117/135 MP: 19/19 20140 | Lair:5 | Reached ****** piety under Makhleb 20282 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Armour 20317 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 20587 | Lair:6 | Identified the ring of Salvation {rCorr +Fly} (You found it | in a Gauntlet) 21597 | D:11 | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure. 21974 | D:11 | Got a transparent ring mail 22132 | D:11 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 143/143 MP: 22/22 22281 | D:11 | Found Jegoess's General Store. 22303 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 39 gold pieces 22708 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 22733 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 22736 | Orc:1 | Noticed Harold 22753 | Orc:1 | Noticed Erica 22761 | Orc:1 | Killed Harold 22768 | Orc:1 | Killed Erica 23220 | Orc:2 | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines 23318 | Orc:2 | Noticed an orc warlord 23335 | Orc:1 | Killed an orc warlord 23401 | Orc:2 | Paralysed by an orc sorcerer for 2 turns 23665 | Orc:2 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 23778 | Orc:1 | Noticed Urug 23817 | Orc:2 | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations 23837 | Orc:2 | Killed Urug 23923 | Orc:1 | Found Gifichid's Magic Scroll Shop. 23930 | Orc:1 | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 36 gold pieces 23930 | Orc:1 | Bought a scroll of blinking for 90 gold pieces 23930 | Orc:1 | Bought a scroll of blinking for 90 gold pieces 23930 | Orc:1 | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 36 gold pieces 23930 | Orc:1 | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 36 gold pieces 23930 | Orc:1 | Bought a scroll of fear for 42 gold pieces 25157 | Orc:2 | Found Mepluife's Armour Shop. 25157 | Orc:2 | Found Hocril's Gadget Shop. 25158 | Orc:2 | Found Xuv Adghe's Assorted Antiques. 25158 | Orc:2 | Found Keod's Magic Scroll Shop. 25166 | Orc:2 | Bought a scroll labeled XEBIT MIHAGAR for 26 gold pieces 25168 | Orc:2 | Bought a scroll of blinking for 97 gold pieces 25314 | Orc:2 | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 78 gold pieces 25314 | Orc:2 | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon for 195 gold pieces 25314 | Orc:2 | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 78 gold pieces 25331 | Orc:2 | Identified the +1 ring mail of Ahocotwei {-Tele rCorr MP+9 | Str-2} (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon) 25345 | Orc:2 | Bought a scroll of identify for 26 gold pieces 25345 | Orc:2 | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 97 gold pieces 25345 | Orc:2 | Bought a scroll of summoning for 123 gold pieces 25603 | D:9 | Bought 2 potions of haste for 220 gold pieces 26300 | D:13 | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations 26338 | D:13 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 26391 | D:13 | HP: 4/144 [meliai/divine providence (13)] 26952 | D:13 | Found a transporter. 27090 | D:13 | Found a transporter. 27091 | D:13 | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu. 27220 | D:14 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 27252 | D:13 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 27267 | D:14 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 151/151 MP: 24/24 27395 | D:14 | Found Moryduo's Antique Armour Shop. 27572 | D:14 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 28004 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 28119 | D:15 | Found Wuocyish's Armour Shoppe. 28520 | D:15 | Reached skill level 10 in Throwing 28756 | D:15 | Found a staircase to the Depths. 29554 | Swamp:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp 29580 | Swamp:1 | Found a runed translucent door. 32027 | Swamp:3 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 153/158 MP: 26/26 32080 | Swamp:3 | Identified the +6 hand axe of Valiance {venom, rPois Int-4 | Dex+6} (You found it on level 3 of the Swamp) 32968 | Swamp:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Swamp 32968 | Swamp:4 | Noticed Mara 32968 | Swamp:4 | Identified Roxanne's Grimoire of Moulding 32968 | Swamp:4 | Noticed Roxanne 33241 | Swamp:4 | Got a decaying rune of Zot 33936 | Swamp:4 | Noticed Tulse's illusion 33951 | Swamp:4 | Killed Mara 34015 | Swamp:4 | Killed Roxanne 34687 | Snake:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit 35642 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults 36154 | Vaults:1 | Found Borutec's Antique Armour Shop. 36197 | Vaults:1 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 166/166 MP: 28/28 37134 | Vaults:2 | HP: 4/168 [yaktaur captain/bolt (28)] 37289 | Vaults:2 | Gained mutation: Your magical capacity is low. (-10% MP) [a | cacodemon] 37295 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Armour 37402 | Vaults:2 | Found a staircase to the Crypt. 37402 | Vaults:2 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 37403 | Vaults:2 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 37592 | Vaults:2 | Noticed Jory 37633 | Vaults:2 | HP: 4/169 [orc sorcerer/bolt of fire[an orc knight] (19)] 37634 | Vaults:2 | Killed Jory 38164 | Vaults:2 | Noticed a tentacled monstrosity 38177 | Vaults:2 | Killed a tentacled monstrosity 38407 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 38598 | Vaults:2 | Found a runed translucent gate. 38598 | Vaults:2 | Noticed a tentacled monstrosity 38599 | Vaults:2 | Found a runed translucent gate. 38599 | Vaults:2 | Found a runed translucent gate. 38900 | Vaults:2 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 143/178 MP: 26/26 39275 | Vaults:3 | Noticed Xtahua 39294 | Vaults:3 | Killed Xtahua 39656 | Vaults:3 | Found Esekeng's Antique Weapon Shoppe. 39703 | Vaults:3 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 42222 | Snake:2 | Upgraded the game from 0.23.2-33-g5129a83 to | 0.23.2-34-gc172519 42670 | Snake:2 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 191/191 MP: 27/27 42815 | Snake:3 | Got a pitted steel amulet 42816 | Snake:3 | Identified the amulet "Aceraf" {Spirit MR+ SInv} (You found | it on level 3 of the Snake Pit) 43149 | Snake:3 | Learned a level 1 spell: Confusing Touch 43351 | Snake:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Hexes 43689 | Snake:3 | Noticed Vashnia 44954 | Snake:3 | Killed Vashnia 45044 | Snake:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Snake Pit 45437 | Snake:4 | Identified the amulet of the Mutiny {RegenMP rPois} 45526 | Snake:4 | Noticed Aizul 45545 | Snake:4 | Killed Aizul 45571 | Snake:4 | Noticed Asterion 45691 | Snake:3 | Killed Asterion 46228 | Snake:4 | Cast into level 1 of the Abyss (naga) 46269 | Snake:4 | Escaped the Abyss 46380 | Snake:4 | Reached XP level 21. HP: 192/200 MP: 26/28 46509 | Snake:4 | Got a serpentine rune of Zot 47070 | Snake:4 | Reached skill level 15 in Invocations Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 | ---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------+----- Throwing | 2 4 6 7 9 11 12 13 14 | 14.0 Fighting | 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 19 20 | 20.0 Axes | 5 6 7 8 10 13 14 17 18 19 20 | 20.0 Armour | 1 3 4 6 8 9 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 | 18.3 Necromancy | 2 | 2.1 Spellcasting | 1 | 1.0 Invocations | 4 7 9 10 12 14 15 | 15.1 Dodging | 4 6 7 8 10 11 | 11.4 Translocations | 2 3 | 3.0 Hexes | 2 | 2.1 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: War axe | 96 | 205 | 381 | 36 | | | || 718 Trident | | | 2 | 13 | | | || 15 Battleaxe | | | 105 | 708 | 1347 | 1329 | 1518 || 5007 Dagger | | | | 14 | | | || 14 Fire: Hunting sling | 9 | 43 | 73 | 54 | 8 | | || 187 Throw: Stone | 1 | 5 | 9 | | | | || 15 Tomahawk | | | 2 | 24 | 94 | 154 | 60 || 334 Javelin | | | | | | | 1 || 1 Cast: Animate Skeleton | | | | 8 | 167 | 123 | 164 || 462 Blink | | | | | | 2 | || 2 Invok: Minor Destruction | | | | 8 | 1 | | || 9 Lesser Servant of | | | | 3 | 12 | 10 | 10 || 35 Greater Servant o | | | | | | 4 | 3 || 7 Evoke: Wand | | | | | 2 | | 8 || 10 Phantom mirror | | | | | | 1 | || 1 Use: Scroll | | | 16 | 7 | 16 | 8 | 6 || 53 Potion | | | 1 | 6 | 5 | 9 | 6 || 27 Stab: Sleeping | 1 | | | | | | || 1 Distracted | | | | 3 | 17 | 14 | 19 || 53 Eat: Chunk | 3 | 7 | 12 | 22 | 44 | 35 | 19 || 142 Ration | | | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 7 || 13 Armor: Leather armour | 43 | 34 | | | | | || 77 Scale mail | | 42 | | | | | || 42 Chain mail | | 28 | 305 | 639 | 774 | 778 | 869 || 3393 Skin | | | | 35 | | | 16 || 51 Dodge: Dodged | 58 | 97 | 179 | 397 | 754 | 713 | 767 || 2965 Block: Shield | 23 | | | | | | || 23 Buckler | 12 | 55 | 85 | | | | || 152

Thanks in advance.

Tuesday, 13th August 2019, 15:45 by petercordia

The glowing crystal plate is probably just +2 or something like that. Especially with the huge crystal plate ER I won't be in too much of a hurry with it.

The artefact amulet looks like an upgrade in many stages of the game. MR+ is good in vaults and orc and elf and everywhere else, spirit shield is good against torment and other threats. Sinv is just nice to have.
That said, Mahkleb Simons are really strong, especially early on.
There should be parts of the game which are relatively easy. For example, depths will be easy if you do a lot of vaults & slime etc before doing depths. You can create an easy part of the game by doing a harder branch before an easier one. I'd switch right before starting an easy branch.

PS: with your throwing skill and the rcorr plate armour, slime should be easy.

Wednesday, 14th August 2019, 19:15 by TheMeInTeam

Guardian spirit is a very strong amulet/scarf typing. For non casters it mostly gives you extra HP equal to your MP (rough, but close enough), but even some caster types can benefit. MR is a useful add-on, and sinv is a convenient one.

Losing piety hurts but once you build it back up piety income is still enough to bring demons into every potentially dangerous fight, you don't need faith to do that. It helps but isn't crucial.

A few months ago we had this discussion between GS and faith on the CSDC felid berserker week. Some advocated for faith to use BIA more with Trog, but I pointed out that two of the top users of BIA among winning submissions used BIA > 100 times and didn't carry faith (I was one of them...both the other guy and I used GS :p). The piety will be there, stuff that keeps you alive is the priority and that's usually (but not always) GS over faith.

When really relying on spells for damage GS is a lot less attractive since it might hit you out of range to cast a survival/utility/repositioning spell. In that case faith is worth considering, as are some alternatives like mana regen with the regen spell in hell to limit time spent resting/healing.

Wednesday, 14th August 2019, 19:31 by mopl

I just answer about the last question that hasn't been discussed yet : Undeadhunter. It can be good but is also very situationnal. If you plan to get Tomb rune this can help. For a 15 runes games you'll have too much experience anyway, so you can train some Maces levels, but only do it when on point to use it.

Wednesday, 14th August 2019, 20:38 by sanka

I personally would wait for the crystal plate armour. I think that would be very good for this character (if it is not negatively enchanted). I would spend all enchant armour scrolls on it.

It is strange that you have not found any plate mail, though - your chain mail is not very good, being only +1. The artifact plate is only +3, that's not high enough for me to buy it.

I also would not train for undeadhunter, it is too situational. I would go for an executioner axe first if I have endless XP from extended instead - that would be good against everything.

I personally like guardian spirit over faith on makhleb, I never found makhleb a very piety hungry god. I rarely used greater destruction and used summons mostly with her.

Wednesday, 14th August 2019, 21:55 by TheMeInTeam

Undead hunter hits even harder than holy against undead but is brandless against other things. Not worth a weapon switch. Very much worth respecting on monsters if you're undead yourself, and OK to use situationally if you're training M & F anyway or cross trained that high. Otherwise not worth.

Thursday, 15th August 2019, 00:24 by svendre

1) I'd get the +3 plate. The rationale is that it provides you with so many resists, that it will increase your options for other armour/jewelry slots and be a net gain overall, even with AC possible.

2) I'd use the spirit artefact amulet over the faith because you're not much of a caster, it provides better defenses overall and the MR and the SInv. Faith kind of sucks, and you don't run out of piety with TSO and even if you keep Mak, summoning demons to handle extended is iffy at best, it's the life on kill that matters and that doesn't cost piety.

3) If you don't have shields trained at all, the headhunter great mace is pretty decent. You'll fight a lot of undead in hell and everywhere, but you're also a hill orc with strong aptitudes in shield training and you're not a caster. I advise an eveningstar + large shield instead (holy brand or crushing), and/or a broad axe and large shield (again holy or crushing). You can get the holy brand on those by switching to TSO, which will be better for your extended run than Mak.

Good luck!

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