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how to survive wizlab

PostPosted: Saturday, 6th July 2019, 10:19
by petercordia
I got into a really dangerous situation in a wizlab.
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Some of my options are ?blink, !invis, wand of charming (28% chance), trying to kill it Ignite Poison. ?Fog won't do anything for me I think.

How likely is he to kill me if I blink to the edge of his LOS? I can't blink out of LOS unfortunately. I was too confident of my ability to kill him :oops:

Also, if I survive this, would you recommend finishing the wizlab or just leaving ASAP? I usually never skip portals, but I'd really like to win this game.

character dump in case of interest: https://underhound.eu/crawl/morgue/pete ... iaCSDC.txt

Re: how to survive wizlab

PostPosted: Saturday, 6th July 2019, 10:50
by bel
Blood saints are fairly tough.

You are in danger of dying next turn, and you cannot get out of LoS in one turn, nor can you kill it in one turn. So, by process of elimination, I think you need to drink heal wounds.

If you survive, you will have several options: haste and blink are the top ones.

I am not really familiar with that particular wizlab, so I can't give any advice on whether it's worthwhile to get out or continue.

Re: how to survive wizlab

PostPosted: Saturday, 6th July 2019, 11:07
by petercordia
I expect !Heal would not give me enough hp though - I just lost half my hp in 1 turn. This was because the Blood Saint was hasted and he hit me with 2 (undodgable) major destructions. I don't think !Heal gives at least a quarter of my hp, does it?

Re: how to survive wizlab

PostPosted: Saturday, 6th July 2019, 11:34
by bel
Heal wounds restores 9 + (3d28 / 3) HP, so 23 on average. So you will go above 25% HP very likely. After drinking heal wounds, if you get hit with two undodgeable legendary destruction, you will die, of course. However, can you survive one? Not sure, actually.

If you cannot even survive one, I think the only option is to blink.

Re: how to survive wizlab

PostPosted: Monday, 8th July 2019, 08:47
by Sorcerous
petercordia wrote:Also, if I survive this, would you recommend finishing the wizlab or just leaving ASAP? I usually never skip portals, but I'd really like to win this game.

character dump in case of interest: https://underhound.eu/crawl/morgue/pete ... iaCSDC.txt


If you survive this, I'd suggest to skip this one in the interest of winning the game - the end vault features some tier 2 demons and a nasty caster. Maybe there was a tier 1 in there too, can't remember right now. The rewards for wiping them out are the Majin-Bo fixedart, at least one randart cloak, and at least one book with a demon summoning spell. The rest of the wizlab isn't very densely populated, so you could get decent XP from taking them down one or two at a time.

This should give you a clearer idea for a risk/reward decision.

Re: how to survive wizlab

PostPosted: Monday, 8th July 2019, 18:04
by petercordia
I got out alive.

I went ?blink - ?blink - exit

I was very tempted to try to kill the demonspawn, but decided to follow your advice.
Shortly afterwards I had a misadventure in Elf:2 which cost me 1 !invis 2 !heal and 2 ?tele, so I was quite happy to have saved my resources.
(I was teleported into the hall of blades, met Azrael there, used !invis rather late, and teleported to placed within the hall of blades twice.)

Re: how to survive wizlab

PostPosted: Wednesday, 10th July 2019, 10:20
by Sorcerous
Good to know this bird is still up. :) If the chardump was dynamically updated, you now have Glaciate and Chain lightning castable under 5%. Unless something extreme happens, I'd say this is a YAVP in the making.

Re: how to survive wizlab

PostPosted: Wednesday, 10th July 2019, 12:17
by petercordia
Yes, I won with 4 runes. My third win for the bcrawl tournament, so I'm quite happy.
I had very few resists this game, but extremely high EV (>40 before switching to Kryia's mail coat). I also had a prolonged super hairy episode in Z:2.
For posterity, here is the morgue: https://underhound.eu/crawl/morgue/pete ... 204650.txt