SpAs of Wu Jian?


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Dungeon Dilettante

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Post Monday, 6th May 2019, 19:08

SpAs of Wu Jian?

So on paper, a SpAs of the Wu Jian Council sounds actually broken. The lunge bonus is 125%. If the extra stab damage is increased then you theoretically kill just about anything with that. Also with the additional speed that spriggans get, you could dip out a tile, then immediately go back in for another lunge, and repeat that maneuver again and again. The damage doubling from the lunge would also help mitigate the problem short blades have dealing with heavier armor, allowing them to maintain viability. And in the early-mid game, the lunge would allow a stabber to cover that last tile and attack at the same time, so no more getting right up next to an ogre only for it to then notify you. And with short blades being more viable, during the heavenly storm, you could rack up a ridiculous slaying bonus with how fast they attack.

Maybe I'm just sorta naive on the whole discussion, so if anyone has actual experience with a build like that, and whether it would actually work, I'd love input.

Ziggurat Zagger

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Post Monday, 6th May 2019, 19:29

Re: SpAs of Wu Jian?

So it works ok. It's not amazing or like overpowered or anything.

First of all, lunge gives it's bonus damage *aside from* stabbing, so it's not really much more damage, the power of Wu and stabbers is being able to use the stab *at range* stabbing already kills everything in one shot at moderate skill levels, so the lunge damage bonus is unimportant.

What's really good about Wu with stabbing is that you can stab, effectively, from more than one tile away (and with whirlwind, stab more than one person at a time)

Note that lunge-melee with a dagger sucks in exactly the same way as non-lunge melee with a dagger does, Heavenly storm helps mitigate the problem someowhat, but the fact is that pound for pound *any other weapon* would get the same bonus and do more damage to start with.

Additionally, the way the WuJian abilities work is you average out to the same number of attacks per movement as you would if you were attacking normally, if you try to lunge with an exec axe as a spriggan you have a .6 in 2.0 chance of even attempting an attack using a lunge. With a dagger with a normal speed character at min delay gives you two attacks (which if it's confusion gives you two possible stabs) if it's a spriggan, you only have a 1 in 5 chance of attempting a second attack with a min-delay dagger on a lunge.

Now you do get to step away and try again as a spriggan, but the movement-attacks aren't really incentivized as a spriggan (and for non-daggers, the min delay is often above spriggan's move rate, meaning even once you do get to min delay you won't attack on every lunge)

In short WuJian is good with stabbing, Spriggans are good with stabbing, the two don't synergize in any special or overly beneficial way.

Also Assasins aren't amazingly good at stabbing (at least not at the outset) the small bonus to stealth isn't enough to give you a great chance of stabbing things on D:1 and anybody can train stealth+shortblades and pick up a dagger regardless of background. It's mildly nice that they get a +2 dagger, but the starting bonus that's more significant are the blowguns and needles, which can eventually be worked up into some stabbing fantasticness, but only if you're gifted needles, and it's still a harder route to go with than just using evocables and hexes (or even summons for distraction stabs)
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Swamp Slogger

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Post Monday, 6th May 2019, 21:26

Re: SpAs of Wu Jian?

yackwabbit wrote:If the extra stab damage is increased then you theoretically kill just about anything with that.

If you get to stab something with a dagger, generally the damage is enough to kill it, no bonuses needed anyway. But monsters wake up pretty often; there is no way you can rely on natural sleep stabs. If you are trying to do a stabber build, Enchanter is the background you want, not Assassin.

yackwabbit wrote:Also with the additional speed that spriggans get, you could dip out a tile, then immediately go back in for another lunge, and repeat that maneuver again and again. The damage doubling from the lunge would also help mitigate the problem short blades have dealing with heavier armor, allowing them to maintain viability.

This does work against melee enemies, but it works with any weapon and has nothing to do with short blades. Besides, I think the lunge multiplier is applied after AC.

yackwabbit wrote:And in the early-mid game, the lunge would allow a stabber to cover that last tile and attack at the same time, so no more getting right up next to an ogre only for it to then notify you.

Yes, the lunge "range" is a nice benefit to sleep stabbing.

yackwabbit wrote:during the heavenly storm, you could rack up a ridiculous slaying bonus with how fast they attack.

Yes there is some synergy between heavenly storm and fast attack speed.

Zot Zealot

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Post Tuesday, 7th May 2019, 07:40

Re: SpAs of Wu Jian?

While any spriggan can be considered strong, there is a simple reason that makes such a build weaker than other spriggan stabbers: sleep stabbing is not good.

Sleep stabbing, even with lunge's extra range, while fun, is not strong in the sense that while it gets rid of some monsters, it gives you absolutely no help against others, and usually these are the hardest challenges. You may feel yourself strong when you kill a strong sleeping unique or orb of fire with one hit. But what will you do when one is awake? If you are strong enough to deal with non-sleeping ones, then you do not need to kill the sleeping ones with one hit in the first place, so it is a spectacular, but useless power! (Not completely useless, ok, but not strong.) Lunge's range is nice, but it still won't make sleep stabbing good, since many monsters will be awake from the start, or wake up before you reach it even with lunge.

So if you want a strong spriggan stabber, you need two things:

1. A way to use stabbing against non-sleeping enemies. It has been mentioned: start as an enchanter. With really minor XP investment you can put enemies into sleep or confusion and stab them, which will remain strong till the end of the game.
2. A way to deal with enemies which cannot be hibernated/confused. (High MR, or immune, etc.). While heavenly storm may help with the low damage of short blades, and Wu Jian could certainly be won with spriggans, other gods give you much, much more help with this. Kiku, for example, gives you pain melee which kills most monsters with a dagger, and zombies/simulacra with corpses which kills the few rest (actually you can kill almost everything with just that, but that would be awful to play).. Makhleb lets you summon demons that kills anything. Usually spriggan enchanters do not need a help with stabbing, but abilities to use when you do not stab.

Also:
While I do not have excessive experience with heavenly storm, slaying and short blades are not so "synergic" as you think. While faster attack speed gets more from slaying, there are two things to consider:
1. Slower weapons deal *much* more damage in the first place, you need really high slaying for short blades to even catch up! And slower weapons gives this extra damage without your god ability.
2. Quick blades are extremely rare, you cannot rely on finding one. Other short blades are not that fast: demon whips are better for spriggans than any short blade: it has the same speed as any non-quickblade short blade, and much higher damage.

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Post Tuesday, 7th May 2019, 20:08

Re: SpAs of Wu Jian?

sanka wrote:So if you want a strong spriggan stabber, you need two things:

1. A way to use stabbing against non-sleeping enemies. It has been mentioned: start as an enchanter. With really minor XP investment you can put enemies into sleep or confusion and stab them, which will remain strong till the end of the game.
2. A way to deal with enemies which cannot be hibernated/confused. (High MR, or immune, etc.). While heavenly storm may help with the low damage of short blades, and Wu Jian could certainly be won with spriggans, other gods give you much, much more help with this. Kiku, for example, gives you pain melee which kills most monsters with a dagger, and zombies/simulacra with corpses which kills the few rest (actually you can kill almost everything with just that, but that would be awful to play).. Makhleb lets you summon demons that kills anything. Usually spriggan enchanters do not need a help with stabbing, but abilities to use when you do not stab.


There are only a handful of enemies in the game which can't be confused. Even in extended most non-fiends and even some tier 1s can be confused. If you can cough up some mana vipers alongside your confuse stabbing to clear OOFs/ancient liches/fiend type enemies you can kill any enemy in the game.

In addition to the confuse spell, confusing touch and mephitic cloud round out stabbers nicely. Dazzling spray can be used instead of confusing touch for a long time.

If you can't find a quick blade, a dagger or rapier of speed is pretty good and it's pretty rare NOT to find one of these across a game. The reason is that these improve your swings/aut when attempting to apply confusing touch *and* give you more attempts to proc a stab vs confused monsters before they break out of it. For any other situation a short blade of speed is crappy, but in this regard they're quite good, especially daggers which are much easier to get near/to the additional base damage cap of 30 from a stab (which then gets a multiplier).

Dagger of speed can average > 60 damage per 10 aut (typical move speed/enemy attack speed) against confused enemies, and against something like gold dragon you have a ~50% chance to confusing touch successfully after 3 swings so against isolated enemies this is very effective.

Regarding needles, with a throwing skill of 20 and +9 blowgun you have a reasonably high chance per hit of paralyzing Antaeus, who has among the higher hit dice of all pan/hell lords. So going assassin --> Trog or Oka and using needles in tough fights is also a legit stabbing choice, especially with Oka who still allows spells too. Poison/curare kiting early game gets the job done fine. For such a build you'd probably put a little XP into a 1h long blade like demon blade for popcorn since it cross trains anyway.

Wu Jian isn't my top pick for stabbers but I admit having a means to pin down confused monsters makes it less annoying to stab them.

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Post Tuesday, 7th May 2019, 21:22

Re: SpAs of Wu Jian?

Of course you can win a spriggan assasin with Oka/Trog. Needle stabbing is ok. I merely wanted to comment on the OP why his/her combination is not the strongest, by showing some that I feel stronger. I felt that (s)he may overstate the usefulness of stabbing already sleeping enemies.

Trog is strong, in particular she gives you two abilities to deal with hard monsters apart from needles: berserk and brother in arms. She will also gift you a quickblade. Much stronger then Wu Jian in my opinion, I could have mentioned her as well. But feels really different then other stabbers (read: enchanters), since the needle gifts need some time to get useful for stabbing, so you would stab more in the second part of the game, and you will never stab the majority of enemies.

However, if you start with Oka, you will get two abilities, heroism and finesse, neither is strong with short blades. If you do not start as an enchanter then the hex spells (or mephitic cloud) are not guaranteed to generate, especially early enough to matter. If you are an assassin, then you won't really be a stabber for a long time unless you are lucky with some item drops.

So I feel that an SpAs of Oka is weaker than SpEn of Kiku. (Except maybe when you are level 1, the blowgun is better then corona, and for some players this is the most important thing when talking about strength.)

Mana Vipers are very good, but you are not guaranteed to get them.

Of course neither of these builds are hard. You are a spriggan, you have a way to deal with hard to kill enemies: just run away.

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Post Tuesday, 7th May 2019, 21:37

Re: SpAs of Wu Jian?

However, if you start with Oka, you will get two abilities, heroism and finesse, neither is strong with short blades. If you do not start as an enchanter then the hex spells (or mephitic cloud) are not guaranteed to generate, especially early enough to matter. If you are an assassin, then you won't really be a stabber for a long time unless you are lucky with some item drops.


Heroism and finesse are both busted on an assassin training short blades and throwing. Even more so on a spriggan that can poison kite, but given the way throwing damage scales having skill-boosted throwing at < .5 delay will absolutely massacre things by/before lair. Even if all you're throwing are tomahawks it hits very hard (enough to kill hydras before they get to melee...comfortably if using finesse but even w/o).

Blowgun is also nice insurance against some otherwise dangerous early monsters, particularly bees but having curare + regular poison against uniques is also very beneficial. Curare is more relevant for non-spriggans admittedly since it lets regular species kite.

Mana Vipers are very good, but you are not guaranteed to get them.


Of course not, but they are pretty common. You have a long time between doing S branches + elf and actually meeting orbs of fire, plenty of time to pick a spell to which the player does have access for beating OOFs. Or maybe the game has a ton of wands of acid/antimagic quick blade and you just use those instead. Depends what you find, same as for most builds you're not going to have (or need) a method to kill OOFs before depths.

Dungeon Dilettante

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Post Friday, 28th June 2019, 19:00

Re: SpAs of Wu Jian?

I had a good run as a SpAs of Wu, got lucky and found unrandart quickblade and made a nice run. I abused confusing touch in every situation. Often the 1st strike would confuse and the 2nd strike of lunge or ww would stab. Invis + ww in the hall of blades was fun. Gratuitously used serpent lash. Died in tomb when I chickened out of trying vaults 5. I should have tried vaults 5, stupid me didn't realize that vamp brand was worthless in crypt/tomb. All in all a very fun play style, wu rewards good positioning, and the extra attacks are great for crowd control. I should've used storm more. I'm going to keep trying this combo, it's very satisfying to one shot mennas and other scary uniques. My favorite situation was to have confusing touch up, be against a wall with 3+ mobs surrounding me, activate lash and wall jump to deal enough damage to make chunks.


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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.23.2-33-g5129a83 (webtiles) character file.

Game seed: 6761429309009639786

479908 FrustrationSimulator the Intangible (level 23, -5/115 HPs)
             Began as a Spriggan Assassin on June 26, 2019.
             Was the Champion of Wu Jian.
             Slain by an emperor scorpion (8 damage)
             ... summoned by a greater mummy
             ... on level 2 of the Tomb of the Ancients on June 27, 2019.
             The game lasted 06:48:33 (67536 turns).

FrustrationSimulator the Intangible (SpAs)         Turns: 67536, Time: 06:48:35

Health: -5/115     AC:  9    Str: 15    XL:     23   Next: 69%
Magic:  0/48       EV: 48    Int: 14    God:    Wu Jian [******]
Gold:   1228       SH: 18    Dex: 23    Spells: 48/62 levels left

rFire    + . .     SeeInvis +   w - +12 Vampire's Tooth {vamp}
rCold    + . .     Gourm    .   p - +3 buckler
rNeg     + + .     Faith    .   t - +2 robe {rF+}
rPois    .         Spirit   +   h - +2 hat of the Bear Spirit {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR++}
rElec    +         Reflect  +   j - +2 cloak {rC+}
rCorr    .         Harm     .   (gloves unavailable)
MR       +++++                  (boots unavailable)
Stlth    ++++......             O - +6 amulet of reflection
HPRegen  0.00/turn              a - +6 ring of evasion
MPRegen  0.31/turn              X - ring of Wishful Thinking {rElec rN+}

@: mighty, marked, berserk cooldown, non-regenerating, diseased, hasted and
slowed, glowing, lightly drained, heavenly storm, very quick
A: very small, unfitting armour, see invisible, herbivore, speed 3, slow
metabolism 2
}: 2/15 runes: decaying, serpentine
a: Wall Jump, Serpent's Lash, Heavenly Storm, Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk
Rage


You were on level 2 of the Tomb of the Ancients.
You worshipped Wu Jian.
Wu Jian was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and saw 44 of its levels.
You also visited: Trove, Sewer, Ossuary, Bailey, Ice Cave and Volcano.

You collected 6651 gold pieces.
You spent 5423 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 f - a +0 blowgun
 k - a +0 fustibalus
 w - the +12 Vampire's Tooth (weapon) {vamp}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 12 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It inflicts no extra harm, but heals its wielder when it wounds a living
   foe.
 F - a +2 hunting sling of freezing
 K - the +3 quick blade of Contention {venom, +Rage}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Crypt)   
   
   It poisons the flesh of those it strikes.
   
   It lets you go berserk.
 W - a +7 rapier of freezing
Missiles
 q - 7 curare-tipped needles
 s - 119 poisoned needles
 u - 229 sling bullets
 z - 1142 stones
 A - 3 throwing nets (quivered)
Armour
 h - the +2 hat of the Bear Spirit (worn) {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR++}
   (You found it in a treasure trove)   
   
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you go berserk.
 j - a +2 cloak of cold resistance (worn)
 p - a +3 buckler (worn)
 t - a +2 robe of fire resistance (worn)
 Z - the +4 moon troll leather armour {Spirit, Regen++ MP+5}
   (You took it off a deep elf mage on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It affects your magic capacity (+5).
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
Jewellery
 a - a +6 ring of evasion (left hand)
 b - the ring of the Priest {Ice rElec MR+ Slay+2}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 3 of the Snake Pit)   
   
   [ring of ice]
   
   It enhances your ice magic.
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+2).
   It makes you vulnerable to fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 r - an uncursed ring of resist corrosion
 O - a +6 amulet of reflection (around neck)
 Q - the ring of False Pretenses {rPois rC+}
   (You found it in a treasure trove)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from poison.
 U - the ring "Futhroh" {*Slow rF+ Str+4 Dex+3}
   (You took it off a deep elf annihilator on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of protection from fire]
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It protects you from fire.
   It may slow you when you take damage.
 X - the ring of Wishful Thinking (right hand) {rElec rN+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 1 of the Snake Pit)   
   
   [ring of positive energy]
   
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from negative energy.
Wands
 d - a wand of polymorph (25)
Scrolls
 c - 7 scrolls of magic mapping
 i - 13 scrolls of remove curse
 l - 4 scrolls of amnesia
 o - a scroll of holy word
 y - 12 scrolls of teleportation
 G - 2 scrolls of fog
 H - 4 scrolls of blinking
 I - a scroll of identify
 N - 4 scrolls of fear
Potions
 g - 23 potions of curing
 m - 6 potions of agility
 n - 3 potions of haste
 v - 6 potions of flight
 x - a potion of magic
 C - 3 potions of cancellation
 D - 3 potions of resistance
 E - a potion of invisibility
 J - 7 potions of might
 P - 4 potions of ambrosia
 R - a potion of brilliance
 S - 4 potions of berserk rage
Comestibles
 e - 5 rations


   Skills:
 - Level 10.0(9.9) Fighting
 - Level 12.6 Short Blades
 - Level 9.8(10.3) Slings
 - Level 4.1(6.7) Throwing
 * Level 4.8 Armour
 O Level 27(26.9) Dodging
 O Level 27(26.9) Stealth
 - Level 7.2 Shields
 - Level 20.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 16.2 Hexes
 * Level 16.7 Translocations
 - Level 1.0(0.9) Ice Magic


You had 48 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Confusing Touch       Hex            ######       0%          1    None
b - Confuse               Hex            ######..     0%          3    None
c - Ensorcelled Hibernat  Hex/Ice        #####.       1%          2    None
d - Invisibility          Hex            ######..     1%          6    #####..
e - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          0%          2    None

Your spell library contained the following spells:

 Spells                   Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
 Apportation              Tloc           ######       0%          1    None
 Corona                   Hex            ######.      0%          1    None
 Gell's Gravitas          Tloc           ######....   0%          3    None
 Lesser Beckoning         Tloc           ######....   0%          3    None
 Teleport Other           Tloc           ######..     0%          3    None
 Tukima's Dance           Hex            ######..     0%          3    None
 Shroud of Golubria       Chrm/Tloc      #####.....   1%          2    None
 Dazzling Spray           Conj/Hex       #####.       1%          3    None
 Recall                   Summ/Tloc      N/A          1%          3    None
 Spectral Weapon          Hex/Chrm       #####...     1%          3    None
 Summon Guardian Golem    Hex/Summ       #####...     1%          3    None
 Passage of Golubria      Tloc           N/A          1%          4    None
 Darkness                 Hex            ######....   1%          6    #####..
 Freeze                   Ice            ###.         2%          1    None
 Animate Skeleton         Necr           N/A          3%          1    None
 Beastly Appendage        Tmut           ##....       3%          1    None
 Infusion                 Chrm           ##..         3%          1    None
 Pain                     Necr           ##..         3%          1    None
 Sting                    Conj/Pois      ##..         3%          1    None
 Summon Butterflies       Summ           ##......     3%          1    None
 Summon Small Mammal      Summ           ##..         3%          1    None
 Metabolic Englaciation   Hex/Ice        #####.....   3%          5    ###....
 Silence                  Hex/Air        #####.....   3%          5    ###....
 Yara's Violent Unravell  Hex/Tmut       #####.....   3%          5    ###....
 Throw Frost              Conj/Ice       ###...       4%          2    None
 Call Imp                 Summ           ##......     5%          2    None
 Corpse Rot               Necr           N/A          5%          2    None
 Poisonous Vapours        Pois/Air       ##....       5%          2    None
 Song of Slaying          Chrm           ##......     5%          2    None
 Sticks to Snakes         Tmut           ##......     5%          2    None
 Ozocubu's Armour         Chrm/Ice       ###.....     10%         3    None
 Call Canine Familiar     Summ           ##......     11%         3    None
 Mephitic Cloud           Conj/Pois/Air  ##......     11%         3    None
 Regeneration             Chrm/Necr      ##........   11%         3    None
 Spider Form              Tmut/Pois      ##........   11%         3    None
 Vampiric Draining        Necr           ##........   11%         3    None
 Ice Form                 Ice/Tmut       ###.....     30%         4    None
 Summon Ice Beast         Ice/Summ       ###.....     30%         4    None
 Throw Icicle             Conj/Ice       ###.....     30%         4    None
 Animate Dead             Necr           N/A          36%         4    None
 Olgreb's Toxic Radiance  Pois           ##......     36%         4    None
 Petrify                  Tmut/Erth      ##......     36%         4    None
 Summon Lightning Spire   Summ/Air       ##......     36%         4    None
 Alistair's Intoxication  Tmut/Pois      ##......     71%         5    ###....
 Blade Hands              Tmut           ##........   71%         5    ###....
 Borgnjor's Vile Clutch   Necr/Erth      ##........   71%         5    ###....
 Iskenderun's Battlesphe  Conj/Chrm      ##......     71%         5    ###....
 Venom Bolt               Conj/Pois      ##........   71%         5    ###....
 Ozocubu's Refrigeration  Ice            ###.......   98%         6    #####..
 Bolt of Cold             Conj/Ice       ###.......   99%         6    #####..
 Conjure Ball Lightning   Conj/Air       ##........   99%         6    #####..
 Death Channel            Necr           ##........   99%         6    #####..
 Deflect Missiles         Chrm/Air       ##........   99%         6    #####..
 Freezing Cloud           Conj/Ice/Air   ##........   99%         6    #####..
 Shadow Creatures         Summ           N/A          99%         6    #####..
 Simulacrum               Ice/Necr       ###.......   99%         6    #####..
 Dragon Form              Tmut           ##........   100%        7    ######.
 Ring of Flames           Chrm/Fire      ##........   100%        7    ######.
 Tornado                  Air            ##........   100%        9    #######


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (0/1) D:7            Lair (6/6) D:9
  Swamp (4/4) Lair:4        Snake (4/4) Lair:4        Slime (1/5) Lair:6
    Orc (2/2) D:12            Elf (3/3) Orc:2        Vaults (4/5) D:13
  Crypt (3/3) Vaults:2       Tomb (2/3) Crypt:3      Depths (0/5) D:15

Altars:
Cheibriados
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Ru
Trog
Vehumet
Wu Jian
The Shining One
Jiyva

Shops:
D:5 (%[%   D:6 %*   D:7 *:   D:10 (   D:11 =   D:12 (   D:14 (   Orc:2 ??[}
Elf:1 ?   Elf:2 =   Snake:1 =}=   Snake:3 *(}[   Vaults:1 %

Portals:
Pandemonium: Orc:2

Annotations:
D:4 Eustachio
D:5 2 transporters, Cruo's ghost, amateur MiCK
D:6 3 runed translucent doors, oddish's ghost, novice HuWz


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are very small and have problems with some larger weapons.
You are too small for most types of armour.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight. (SInv)
You are a herbivore.
You cover ground extremely quickly.
You need to consume almost no food.


Message History

The skeletal warrior completely misses you.
The bennu barely misses you. The bennu completely misses you. x2
The reaper completely misses you.
You feel much better. The bennu completely misses you. x2
You block the bennu's attack. The bennu completely misses you.
The bennu barely misses you. The bennu claws you!!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The bennu closely misses you. The bennu completely misses you.
You block the bennu's attack.
You block the skeletal warrior's attack.
The bennu completely misses you. x2; The bennu claws you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You spin and attack the bennu repeatedly.
You hit the bennu.
The bennu is lightly wounded.
You puncture the bennu!
The bennu is moderately wounded.
You block the bennu's attack. The bennu misses you.
You block the bennu's attack. The emperor scorpion stings you!
You die...

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You could see a greater mummy, an emperor scorpion, 2 bennus and a skeletal
warrior.

Vanquished Creatures
  2 ancient liches
  Mennas (Vaults:3)
  Sojobo (Vaults:2)
  3 greater mummies
  Frederick (Vaults:3)
  Margery (Vaults:4)
  Vashnia (Snake:4)
  Xtahua (Vaults:4)
  Nikola (Elf:2)
  Jory (Vaults:4)
  4 liches
  A bone dragon (Swamp:4)
  A deep elf blademaster (Elf:3)
  Jorgrun (Swamp:1)
  9 sphinxes
  An acid blob (Slime:1)
  2 deep elf master archers (Elf:3)
  An ancient champion (Tomb:2)
  Gastronok (Lair:3)
  Kirke (D:14)
  2 tengu reavers (Vaults:2)
  Agnes (D:15)
  An azure jelly (Slime:1)
  Donald (Crypt:2)
  5 nagarajas
  2 revenants (Tomb:1)
  Aizul (Elf:2)
  2 curse skulls
  7 deep elf sorcerers (Elf:3)
  5 vault wardens
  5 deep elf elementalists (Elf:3)
  3 ghouls (Crypt:1)
  A reaper (IceCv)
  9 ironheart preservers
  3 war gargoyles (Crypt:3)
  7 stone giants
  A bennu (Tomb:2)
  4 vampire knights
  7 deep elf annihilators (Elf:3)
  3 entropy weavers
  2 deep elf demonologists
  2 eidola
  4 deep elf death magi (Elf:3)
  2 ettins (Vaults:3)
  10 mummy priests
  14 yaktaur captains
  12 ogre magi
  2 deep elf high priests (Elf:3)
  2 jiangshi (Crypt:1)
  A great orb of eyes (Vaults:1)
  A quicksilver dragon skeleton (Crypt:2)
  4 fire dragons
  3 rakshasas
  3 vault guards
  16 naga warriors
  10 hydras
  An ice dragon (Vaults:3)
  3 ghost crabs
  Erica (D:8)
  3 death knights
  6 centaur warriors
  27 dancing weapons
  4 shambling mangroves
  3 deep troll shamans (Vaults:1)
  16 anacondas
  40 two-headed ogres
  8 alligators
  20 death scarabs
  12 death yaks
  3 deep troll earth magi (Vaults:1)
  8 orc high priests
  2 vampire magi
  5 spriggan berserkers (Elf:1)
  11 naga sharpshooters
  24 deep elf knights
  Nergalle (Lair:3)
  15 hell knights
  8 shock serpents
  2 soul eaters
  28 skeletal warriors
  2 fire crabs (shapeshifter)
  5 salamander mystics
  A ghost moth zombie (Crypt:1)
  An unseen horror (D:13)
  2 storm dragon skeletons
  7 swamp dragons
  An infernal demonspawn (Orc:2)
  11 sea snakes (Snake:2)
  A spriggan druid (Swamp:3)
  9 deep trolls (Vaults:1)
  A torturous demonspawn (Orc:2)
  A glowing orange brain (Vaults:2)
  9 wizards
  7 flayed ghosts
  7 naga ritualists
  A shadow dragon zombie (Crypt:2)
  An anaconda zombie (Crypt:1)
  9 ironbrand convokers
  22 deep elf archers
  2 wolf spider zombies
  5 necromancers
  18 phantasmal warriors
  9 harpies (Vaults:4)
  2 lindwurms
  11 cyclopes
  6 orc sorcerers (Orc:2)
  65 deep elf magi
  4 mana vipers
  5 oklob plants
  A fire giant zombie (Vaults:4)
  A tengu skeleton (Vaults:2)
  2 wolf spiders
  A shadow dragon skeleton (Crypt:3)
  19 salamanders
  14 orc knights
  39 ugly things
  A fire giant skeleton (Vaults:2)
  14 vault sentinels
  An iron dragon skeleton (Tomb:1)
  3 manticores
  A stone giant skeleton (Crypt:3)
  5 toenail golems (Volcano)
  37 black mambas
  3 molten gargoyles (Lair:6)
  A dire elephant zombie (Crypt:2)
  2 ice statues (IceCv)
  8 guardian serpents
  2 rust devils (Orc:2)
  Maurice (D:9)
  A black mamba (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  17 naga magi
  21 spiny frogs
  A yaktaur zombie (Vaults:2)
  5 gargoyles
  4 smoke demons
  A catoblepas zombie (Crypt:2)
  A grey draconian zombie (Crypt:2)
  2 rime drakes
  12 komodo dragons
  23 yaktaurs
  5 swamp worm zombies (Swamp:4)
  7 freezing wraiths
  10 ice devils (IceCv)
  15 guardian mummies
  3 red devils (Crypt:3)
  A white draconian skeleton (Crypt:1)
  A hellwing (Orc:2)
  A spriggan skeleton (D:15)
  A harpy zombie (Crypt:2)
  5 trolls
  9 tyrant leeches
  18 hornets
  5 hydra zombies (Swamp:4)
  A blink frog (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  4 alligator zombies (Swamp:4)
  17 blink frogs
  40 slime creatures
  A deep troll zombie (D:15)
  13 bog bodies
  An ettin zombie (Vaults:4)
  5 dream sheep
  A raiju (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  6 spectral swamp dragons (Swamp:4)
  6 hippogriffs
  A fire dragon zombie (D:15)
  A fire giant simulacrum (Vaults:2)
  4 flying skulls (Tomb:2)
  A jumping spider zombie (Crypt:1)
  2 ettin skeletons
  An air elemental (Elf:1)
  10 spriggans
  6 redbacks
  An ushabti (Tomb:1)
  6 basilisks
  9 shadows
  A water elemental (Elf:3)
  6 wyverns
  A chaos spawn (Orc:2)
  2 fire elementals
  4 hogs (D:14)
  A fire dragon skeleton (Crypt:3)
  A yak (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  A human (shapeshifter) (D:13)
  An emperor scorpion simulacrum (Crypt:2)
  33 yaks
  6 wraiths
  5 hungry ghosts
  A steam dragon (Lair:6)
  22 vampire mosquitoes
  A soldier ant (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  An infernal demonspawn zombie (Crypt:2)
  40 insubstantial wisps
  10 water moccasins
  81 nagas
  An acid dragon (D:11)
  4 wargs
  2 water moccasins (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
  2 soldier ants
  A deep troll skeleton (Vaults:2)
  18 swamp worms
  6 porcupines
  4 hell hounds (Lair:6)
  9 swamp drakes
  4 sky beasts
  A black bear (Lair:2)
  An ice dragon simulacrum (Crypt:2)
  60 orc warriors
  13 ice beasts
  2 water nymph skeletons
  5 phantoms
  2 eyes of draining
  3 necrophages
  A tengu (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4)
  36 ogres
  6 centaurs
  2 swamp dragon zombies (Swamp:4)
  15 boggarts
  An elephant skeleton (Crypt:1)
  2 manticore skeletons
  The ghost of ir0nHorse the Digger, an amateur FoEE (D:3)
  6 crocodiles
  2 elf zombies
  4 big kobolds
  12 bullfrogs
  2 wyvern zombies
  4 human simulacra
  3 elf skeletons
  A water moccasin skeleton (Crypt:2)
  3 scorpions
  16 wights
  18 killer bees
  6 howler monkeys
  3 electric eels (Snake:2)
  5 centaur zombies
  5 lava snakes (Lair:6)
  A bullfrog zombie (D:10)
  5 crimson imps
  6 hounds
  25 orc priests
  3 bullfrog skeletons
  A centaur skeleton (D:7)
  3 human zombies
  A jelly (D:13)
  22 orc wizards
  A basilisk skeleton (Crypt:1)
  10 human skeletons
  A black bear skeleton (Crypt:2)
  4 iguanas
  A spectral swamp drake (Swamp:4)
  9 worker ants
  A killer bee zombie (D:8)
  2 big kobold zombies (Ossuary)
  An acid dragon zombie (Crypt:2)
  A hound zombie (D:7)
  3 hound skeletons
  22 mummies
  A howler monkey zombie (D:5)
  A howler monkey skeleton (D:7)
  19 adders
  8 gnolls
  6 river rats
  A swamp drake zombie (Swamp:4)
  3 shadow imps
  8 white imps
  7 ufetubi (IceCv)
  2 oozes
  2 adder skeletons
  3 worms (D:3)
  A dart slug (D:3)
  9 leopard geckos
  127 orcs
  10 giant cockroaches
  10 goblins
  8 hobgoblins
  21 jackals
  6 quokkas
  6 ball pythons
  A ball python skeleton (Crypt:2)
  A ball python zombie (Crypt:1)
  7 bats
  7 frilled lizards
  3 goblin zombies
  8 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary)
  2 jackal zombies (Ossuary)
  21 kobolds
  12 kobold zombies
  A leopard gecko zombie (D:8)
  An orc skeleton (D:7)
  8 orc zombies (Ossuary)
  A quokka zombie (Crypt:2)
  12 rats
  2 rat zombies (Ossuary)
  4 crawling corpses (Elf:3)
2114 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A spriggan (Swamp:1)
1 creature vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A deep elf master archer (Elf:3)
  A nagaraja (Snake:4)
  2 deep elf knights
  3 deep elf archers
  A spiny frog (Swamp:4)
  2 yaktaurs
  A hornet (Swamp:1)
  A water elemental (D:15)
  A naga (Snake:4)
  An orc warrior (D:15)
  A centaur (D:15)
  An orc wizard (D:15)
  An adder (Snake:2)
  2 white imps (IceCv)
  3 ufetubi (IceCv)
  5 orcs
  A fungus (Lair:2)
  15 plants
  A withered plant (D:15)
44 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 2159 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | FrustrationSimulator the Spriggan Assassin began the quest
                  | for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 2/2
   338 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 2/14 MP: 3/3
   903 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 18/18 MP: 4/4
  1672 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  1766 | D:2      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  1807 | D:2      | Found an ornate altar of the Wu Jian Council.
  1815 | D:2      | Became a worshipper of the Wu Jian Council
  1869 | D:2      | Found a hazy altar of Hepliaklqana.
  1870 | D:2      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  1919 | D:2      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
  2087 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 22/22 MP: 5/5
  2301 | D:3      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  2375 | D:3      | Reached * piety under Wu Jian
  2518 | D:3      | Found a runed translucent door.
  2591 | D:3      | Noticed ir0nHorse's ghost (amateur FoEE)
  2629 | D:3      | Found a runed translucent door.
  2786 | D:3      | Killed ir0nHorse's ghost
  2786 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 17/25 MP: 6/6
  3666 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 17/30 MP: 7/7
  3768 | D:4      | Found a glowing drain.
  3772 | D:4      | Reached ** piety under Wu Jian
  3861 | D:4      | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
  3880 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 31/33 MP: 8/8
  3970 | Sewer    | Entered a sewer
  4151 | Sewer    | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  4607 | D:4      | Noticed Eustachio
  5027 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  5036 | D:5      | Found Jevo's Food Shoppe.
  5112 | D:5      | Found Ephued's Antique Armour Shop.
  5178 | D:5      | Found Ufedyn's Weapon Boutique.
  5181 | D:5      | Bought a +0 rapier for 44 gold pieces
  5181 | D:5      | Bought 14 sling bullets for 77 gold pieces
  5181 | D:5      | Bought 19 sling bullets for 104 gold pieces
  5216 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades
  5277 | D:5      | Found a transporter.
  5323 | D:5      | Found Ehaex's Food Boutique.
  5673 | D:5      | Found a transporter.
  5770 | D:5      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  6204 | D:5      | Noticed Cruo's ghost (amateur MiCK)
  6270 | D:6      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  6350 | D:6      | Found a runed translucent gate.
  6351 | D:6      | Found a runed translucent gate.
  6364 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 37/41 MP: 9/9
  6395 | D:6      | Found a runed translucent gate.
  6403 | D:6      | Noticed oddish's ghost (novice HuWz)
  6427 | D:6      | Found Gozag's Platinum Reserve.
  6429 | D:6      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
  6589 | D:6      | Reached *** piety under Wu Jian
  6634 | D:6      | Found Nelaaz's Food Boutique.
  7057 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  7110 | D:7      | Found a sand-covered staircase.
  7114 | Ossuary  | Entered an ossuary
  7316 | Ossuary  | Reached **** piety under Wu Jian
  7715 | Ossuary  | Got a transparent long sword
  7716 | Ossuary  | Identified the cursed +0 long sword of the Whelk {flame,
                  | *Corrode rPois Int-4 Dex+8} (You found it in an ossuary)
  7826 | D:7      | Reached skill level 10 in Stealth
  8121 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 46/47 MP: 10/10
  8474 | D:7      | Found Noel's Island Escapes.
  8755 | D:7      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  8791 | D:7      | Found Okor's Book Boutique.
  8852 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  9039 | D:7      | Bought a scroll of fog for 24 gold pieces
  9039 | D:7      | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 36 gold pieces
 11439 | D:8      | Noticed Erica
 11446 | D:8      | Killed Erica
 11446 | D:8      | Reached skill level 10 in Short Blades
 11446 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 51/51 MP: 11/11
 11555 | D:7      | Bought a book of Misfortune for 280 gold pieces
 11557 | D:7      | Learned a level 1 spell: Confusing Touch
 11561 | D:7      | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse
 11717 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting
 11717 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Hexes
 12303 | D:8      | You fall through a shaft for 2 floors!
 12303 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 12303 | D:10     | Found Pithi's Antique Weapon Shoppe.
 12329 | D:9      | Noticed Maurice
 12330 | D:9      | Killed Maurice
 12523 | D:9      | Noticed a death yak
 12525 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 12541 | D:9      | Noticed a death yak
 12542 | D:9      | Noticed a death yak
 12544 | D:9      | Noticed a death yak
 12545 | D:9      | Noticed a death yak
 12545 | D:9      | Noticed a death yak
 12545 | D:9      | Noticed a death yak
 12559 | D:9      | Killed a death yak
 12559 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
 12992 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes
 13113 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Slings
 13535 | D:9      | Killed a death yak
 13535 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Slings
 13708 | D:9      | Killed a death yak
 13992 | D:9      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 14054 | D:9      | Killed a two-headed ogre
 14684 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 48/55 MP: 17/19
 15482 | D:9      | Killed a death yak
 15499 | D:9      | Killed a death yak
 15499 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
 15689 | D:9      | Killed a death yak
 15719 | D:9      | Killed a death yak
 15847 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 17059 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 60/60 MP: 16/20
 17090 | Lair:2   | Reached ***** piety under Wu Jian
 17134 | Lair:2   | Got a heavily jewelled robe
 17145 | Lair:2   | Identified the cursed +0 robe "Jaduo" {rElec Str+3 Int+4
                  | Dex-4} (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
 17402 | Lair:2   | Found the +6 shillelagh "Devastator" {shatter}
 17436 | Lair:2   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 17438 | Lair:2   | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 17883 | Lair:3   | Noticed Nergalle
 17887 | Lair:3   | Killed Nergalle
 17887 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
 18634 | Lair:3   | Got an ancient short sword
 18740 | Lair:3   | Noticed Gastronok
 18773 | Lair:3   | Killed Gastronok
 19254 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 19514 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 19518 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 15 in Stealth
 19549 | Lair:4   | Identified the +7 short sword of the Seven Dances {drain,
                  | rElec rF+ Str-3} (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of
                  | Beasts)
 20219 | D:11     | Found Tiojieso's Jewellery Shop.
 20227 | D:11     | Bought an uncursed ring of stealth for 175 gold pieces
 20275 | D:11     | Found a flagged portal.
 20298 | Bailey   | Entered a bailey
 20452 | Bailey   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 48/64 MP: 19/21
 20664 | D:11     | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 21507 | D:12     | Found Xiat's Antique Weapon Shop.
 21655 | D:10     | Bought a glowing hunting sling for 108 gold pieces
 21837 | D:12     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 22227 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 22561 | Orc:1    | Reached ****** piety under Wu Jian
 22660 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 22699 | Orc:2    | Found a dark tunnel.
 22712 | Volcano  | Entered a volcano
 23150 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 23411 | Orc:2    | Found Xial's Magic Scroll Boutique.
 23414 | Orc:2    | Found Tuzej's Magic Scroll Shop.
 23511 | D:12     | Bought the +12 Vampire's Tooth {vamp} for 1200 gold pieces
 23511 | D:12     | Found the +12 Vampire's Tooth {vamp}
 24271 | Orc:2    | Reached XP level 14. HP: 73/73 MP: 22/24
 24645 | Orc:2    | Found Tucvow's Antique Armour Emporium.
 24645 | Orc:2    | Found Arux's Gadget Shoppe.
 24646 | Orc:2    | Found a one-way gate leading to the halls of Pandemonium.
 26614 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 27271 | Lair:6   | Found a large runed translucent door.
 27365 | Lair:6   | Found a large runed translucent door.
 27501 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 27501 | Lair:6   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 28001 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 15. HP: 77/77 MP: 25/25
 28480 | D:11     | Bought an uncursed ring of poison resistance for 200 gold
                  | pieces
 28654 | Swamp:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp
 29608 | Swamp:1  | Noticed Jorgrun
 29625 | Swamp:1  | Killed Jorgrun
 30524 | Swamp:2  | Got an ancient tin ring
 30525 | Swamp:2  | Identified the ring "Jijuu" {Ice rElec Str+4} (You found it
                  | on level 2 of the Swamp)
 31359 | Swamp:3  | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 31706 | Swamp:4  | Entered Level 4 of the Swamp
 31813 | Swamp:4  | Reached XP level 16. HP: 85/85 MP: 26/26
 31817 | Swamp:4  | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation
 33139 | Swamp:4  | Noticed a bone dragon
 33159 | Swamp:4  | Killed a bone dragon
 33350 | Swamp:4  | Got a decaying rune of Zot
 34333 | D:13     | Found a frozen archway.
 34419 | IceCv    | Entered an ice cave
 34912 | IceCv    | Found the +7 mace of Variability {chain chaos}
 35584 | D:13     | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
 35589 | D:13     | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure.
 35683 | D:13     | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic
 36181 | D:13     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 36803 | D:14     | Noticed Kirke
 36825 | D:14     | Killed Kirke
 36928 | D:14     | Found Cufoeniwn's Antique Weapon Shoppe.
 37228 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 37252 | D:15     | Reached XP level 17. HP: 89/89 MP: 30/30
 37323 | D:15     | Noticed Agnes
 37324 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 37344 | D:15     | Killed Agnes
 37351 | D:15     | Upgraded the game from 0.23.2-32-g37ab1d4 to
                  | 0.23.2-33-g5129a83
 37355 | D:15     | Reached skill level 10 in Hexes
 38326 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 39552 | Vaults:1 | Found Doczump's Food Emporium.
 39756 | Vaults:1 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 89/93 MP: 29/31
 39972 | Vaults:2 | Got a translucent hunting sling
 39973 | Vaults:2 | Identified the +8 hunting sling of the Original Sin
                  | {freeze, Fragile MP+9 Str+7 SInv} (You found it on level 2
                  | of the Vaults)
 40462 | Vaults:2 | Found a staircase to the Crypt.
 41094 | Vaults:2 | Noticed Sojobo
 41099 | Vaults:2 | Killed Sojobo
 41687 | Vaults:3 | Noticed Frederick
 41712 | Vaults:3 | Killed Frederick
 41712 | Vaults:3 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 98/98 MP: 32/32
 41799 | Vaults:3 | You fall through a shaft!
 42290 | Vaults:3 | Noticed Mennas
 42545 | Vaults:3 | Killed Mennas
 42545 | Vaults:3 | Reached skill level 27 in Dodging
 43264 | Vaults:4 | Noticed a Brimstone Fiend
 43516 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 27 in Stealth
 43555 | Vaults:4 | Noticed Jory
 43561 | Vaults:4 | Killed Jory
 43673 | Vaults:4 | Noticed Margery
 44275 | Snake:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit
 44655 | Orc:2    | Bought a runed scarf for 296 gold pieces
 45091 | Snake:1  | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
 45459 | Snake:1  | Found Cuikoeg's Jewellery Boutique.
 45459 | Snake:1  | Found Ostie's Gadget Shoppe.
 45460 | Snake:1  | Found Miuzxug's Jewellery Boutique.
 45698 | Snake:1  | Reached XP level 20. HP: 102/102 MP: 32/34
 45706 | Snake:1  | Learned a level 6 spell: Invisibility
 45709 | Snake:1  | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink
 46787 | Snake:2  | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
 47096 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 105 gold pieces
 47098 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 120 gold pieces
 47098 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 120 gold pieces
 47353 | D:13     | You paid a toll of +3 storm dragon scales to enter a
                  | treasure trove
 47354 | Trove    | Entered a treasure trove
 47360 | Trove    | Found the +2 hat of the Bear Spirit {Spirit, +Rage rN+
                  | MR++}
 47367 | Trove    | Got a scintillating ivory ring
 47374 | Trove    | Got a scintillating ruby amulet
 47451 | D:13     | Identified the ring of False Pretenses {rPois rC+} (You
                  | found it in a treasure trove)
 47548 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of identify for 28 gold pieces
 47548 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of identify for 28 gold pieces
 47548 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of identify for 28 gold pieces
 47548 | Orc:2    | Identified the amulet of Suicidal Tendencies {+Rage MR+}
                  | (You found it in a treasure trove)
 48160 | Snake:2  | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting
 48246 | Snake:1  | Bought the ring of Wishful Thinking {rElec rN+} for 544
                  | gold pieces
 48956 | Snake:3  | Found Sogiajad's Gadget Boutique.
 48958 | Snake:3  | Found Jeummia's Assorted Antiques.
 48958 | Snake:3  | Found Hoiskaepn's Antique Armour Boutique.
 48960 | Snake:3  | Found Fahaggoff's Antique Weapon Boutique.
 49025 | Snake:3  | Bought a heavily jewelled robe for 176 gold pieces
 49031 | Snake:3  | Bought an encrusted gilded ring for 145 gold pieces
 49031 | Snake:3  | Bought a steaming tin ring for 145 gold pieces
 49031 | Snake:3  | Identified the +1 robe of Ruuc Jyi {rC+ MR+} (You bought it
                  | in a shop on level 3 of the Snake Pit)
 49033 | Snake:3  | Identified the ring of the Priest {Ice rElec MR+ Slay+2}
                  | (You bought it in a shop on level 3 of the Snake Pit)
 49699 | Snake:3  | Reached skill level 15 in Hexes
 49732 | Snake:3  | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations
 49915 | Snake:4  | Entered Level 4 of the Snake Pit
 50147 | Snake:4  | Reached skill level 5 in Translocations
 50807 | Snake:4  | Noticed Vashnia
 50858 | Snake:4  | Killed Vashnia
 50858 | Snake:4  | Reached skill level 10 in Translocations
 51170 | Snake:4  | Reached XP level 21. HP: 81/107 MP: 12/36
 51386 | Snake:4  | Got a serpentine rune of Zot
 51676 | Snake:1  | Bought an uncursed ring of protection from fire for 400
                  | gold pieces
 52026 | Vaults:4 | Killed Margery
 52222 | Vaults:4 | Noticed Xtahua
 52327 | Vaults:4 | Killed Xtahua
 53364 | Elf:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
 53401 | Elf:1    | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
 53848 | Elf:1    | Found Muwkugui's Magic Scroll Shop.
 53965 | Elf:1    | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
 54121 | Elf:2    | Found Lofadghet's Jewellery Shop.
 54993 | Elf:2    | Found a runed translucent gate.
 54994 | Elf:2    | Found a runed translucent gate.
 54994 | Elf:2    | Found a runed translucent gate.
 55038 | Elf:3    | Entered Level 3 of the Elven Halls
 55128 | Elf:2    | Noticed Nikola
 55134 | Elf:2    | Killed Nikola
 55177 | Elf:2    | Noticed Aizul
 55182 | Elf:2    | Killed Aizul
 55727 | Elf:3    | Reached skill level 15 in Spellcasting
 55848 | Elf:3    | Reached XP level 22. HP: 111/111 MP: 38/42
 56597 | Elf:3    | Identified the +8 quarterstaff of the Mind {venom, +Fly
                  | MR+}
 56597 | Elf:3    | Identified the ring "Futhroh" {*Slow rF+ Str+4 Dex+3}
 56769 | Elf:3    | Identified the +10 plate armour of Nus Duama {+Blink rF++
                  | Str+3 Dex+3}
 57119 | Elf:3    | Identified the ring "Tiwyad" {rC+ Int+2}
 57121 | Elf:3    | Identified the +8 large shield of the Queen {Int+4}
 57256 | Elf:3    | Got a transparent cloak
 57267 | Elf:3    | Identified the +3 cloak of the Princeling {-Cast Int+4
                  | Dex+5} (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 57321 | Elf:3    | Identified the +6 battleaxe "Haysecs" {elec, Int+3}
 57655 | Elf:3    | Got a faintly glowing long sword
 57656 | Elf:3    | Identified the +8 long sword of Hard Scrabble {chaos, Str+3
                  | Int+3 Dex+4} (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 58396 | D:11     | Bought a +6 ring of evasion for 780 gold pieces
 58609 | Slime:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Pits of Slime
 58614 | Slime:1  | Reached skill level 15 in Translocations
 60417 | Crypt:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Crypt
 62008 | Crypt:2  | Noticed Donald
 62014 | Crypt:2  | Killed Donald
 62490 | Crypt:3  | Entered Level 3 of the Crypt
 64071 | Crypt:3  | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 64107 | Crypt:3  | Identified the Compendium of Aerial Transmutation
 64141 | Crypt:3  | Noticed an ancient lich
 64394 | Crypt:3  | Killed an ancient lich
 64394 | Crypt:3  | Reached XP level 23. HP: 115/115 MP: 44/46
 64417 | Crypt:3  | Identified Sepnicw's Compendium of Evil and Augmentations
 64910 | Crypt:3  | Got a brightly glowing quick blade
 64935 | Crypt:3  | Identified the +3 quick blade of Contention {venom, +Rage}
                  | (You found it on level 3 of the Crypt)
 64945 | Crypt:3  | Found a staircase to the Tomb.
 65241 | Tomb:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Tomb of the Ancients
 65965 | Vaults:1 | Bought a ration for 65 gold pieces
 65965 | Vaults:1 | Bought a ration for 65 gold pieces
 65965 | Vaults:1 | Bought a ration for 65 gold pieces
 65965 | Vaults:1 | Bought a ration for 65 gold pieces
 66424 | Tomb:1   | Noticed a greater mummy
 66539 | Tomb:1   | Killed a greater mummy
 66624 | Tomb:1   | Noticed a greater mummy
 66626 | Tomb:1   | Killed a greater mummy
 67222 | Tomb:1   | Noticed an ancient lich
 67223 | Tomb:1   | Killed an ancient lich
 67473 | Tomb:2   | Noticed a greater mummy
 67480 | Tomb:2   | Noticed a greater mummy
 67484 | Tomb:2   | Noticed a greater mummy
 67515 | Tomb:2   | Killed a greater mummy
 67535 | Tomb:2   | HP: 3/115 [bennu (14)]
 67536 | Tomb:2   | Slain by an emperor scorpion

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------------+-----
Dodging        |  3  4  5  7  8 10             12 15 16 20    23 24 26 27             | 27.0
Short Blades   |                 3  5  6 10                                     12    | 12.6
Fighting       |                    3  5              8    10                         | 10.0
Stealth        |                      10          15    16 20    23 25 27             | 27.0
Spellcasting   |                             5        6        8        9 10 15 18 20 | 20.0
Hexes          |                             5                 8 10    11 15 16       | 16.2
Slings         |                             5        9                               |  9.8
Shields        |                             3  7                                     |  7.2
Ice Magic      |                                               1                      |  1.0
Armour         |                                                        1        2  4 |  4.8
Translocations |                                                          10 13 15 16 | 16.7
Throwing       |                                                                 4    |  4.1

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Dagger            |   118 |   243 |   828 |   765 |   655 |       |       |       ||  2609
       Rapier            |       |       |    20 |   191 |       |       |       |   144 ||   355
       Blowgun           |       |       |     1 |       |       |       |       |       ||     1
       Quick blade       |       |       |       |       |  1612 |  2751 |  2740 |  1356 ||  8459
       Hunting sling     |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       |       ||     1
 Fire: Blowgun           |     1 |    21 |    21 |    10 |       |       |       |     1 ||    54
       Hunting sling     |       |    15 |    65 |    32 |    86 |       |       |    32 ||   230
Throw: Stone             |       |       |       |     1 |       |       |       |       ||     1
       Throwing net      |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     3 ||     3
 Cast: Confusing Touch   |       |       |       |   104 |   226 |   207 |   253 |   170 ||   960
       Ensorcelled Hiber |       |       |       |       |       |     5 |     3 |       ||     8
       Confuse           |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
       Invisibility      |       |       |       |       |       |       |    10 |     4 ||    14
       Blink             |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
Invok: Lunge             |     6 |     7 |    44 |   102 |   152 |   196 |   226 |   134 ||   867
       Whirlwind         |       |    20 |    46 |   350 |   873 |   757 |   768 |   505 ||  3319
       Serpent's Lash    |       |       |     6 |    14 |     8 |     7 |    16 |    17 ||    68
       Heavenly Storm    |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |     1 ||     2
 Abil: Wall Jump         |       |       |     7 |     3 |     6 |     3 |     5 |     6 ||    30
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |     4 |       |       |       |       ||     4
       Lightning rod     |       |       |       |     4 |       |       |       |       ||     4
  Use: Scroll            |     3 |     8 |    13 |    15 |    10 |     6 |    23 |     7 ||    85
       Potion            |       |     5 |     9 |     5 |     1 |     3 |     4 |     9 ||    36
 Stab: Sleeping          |    15 |     9 |    34 |    36 |    62 |   114 |   120 |    88 ||   478
       Distracted        |       |     1 |     1 |     1 |     5 |     8 |     1 |     3 ||    20
       Confused          |       |       |       |   103 |   238 |   256 |   284 |   183 ||  1064
       Invisible         |       |       |       |     6 |       |       |    55 |    22 ||    83
       Held in net/web   |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
  Eat: Ration            |       |     1 |     5 |     5 |    15 |     9 |    12 |    22 ||    69
Armor: Robe              |     9 |    21 |    48 |    29 |    22 |    38 |    28 |     8 ||   203
       Skin              |       |       |    61 |       |       |       |       |       ||    61
Dodge: Dodged            |    92 |   267 |   668 |   255 |   382 |   444 |   599 |   388 ||  3095
Block: Buckler           |       |       |       |    67 |   428 |   601 |   701 |   368 ||  2165
       Reflection        |       |       |       |       |    16 |    26 |    88 |    19 ||   149
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Ziggurat Zagger

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Post Monday, 1st July 2019, 08:20

Re: SpAs of Wu Jian?

If you were scared of V:5, you should have gone to the Abyss or Slime instead. Why did you choose Tomb? Tomb is the last place you want to go with this kind of character, after getting the other 14 runes.
DCSS: 77: ...HaWrSpWz{OgGlTrMo}{CeWnMfBeMiSk}DrEE{GrFiFoGl}DgEnFeNe{OpGlHuSu}
DDArHaCKSpAEGrTmDgFEDsCjGhMoHuVM{HaAMBaEn}{HuMoHOWn}DsWzDDHu{DgWnGnBe}
FeIE{MiEnMfCj}SpNeBaEEGrFE{HaAKTrCK}DsFESpHu{FoArNaBe}FeEE{HOIEMiAE}GrGlHuWr
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Post Monday, 1st July 2019, 15:22

Re: SpAs of Wu Jian?

Sprucery wrote:If you were scared of V:5, you should have gone to the Abyss or Slime instead. Why did you choose Tomb? Tomb is the last place you want to go with this kind of character, after getting the other 14 runes.


I've made it to V5 with a similar toon, and it was a traumatic experience. I've never tried tomb before and I figured "what the heck" with a +12 quickblade in tow. I peeked into slime, but didn't have rcorr. Abyss did not cross my mind, in hindsight I should've tried depths next and looked for an abyss entrance.
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Post Monday, 1st July 2019, 18:51

Re: SpAs of Wu Jian?

Generally you want to do Depths before the 3rd rune anyway. This makes you stronger for V:5 as well.
DCSS: 77: ...HaWrSpWz{OgGlTrMo}{CeWnMfBeMiSk}DrEE{GrFiFoGl}DgEnFeNe{OpGlHuSu}
DDArHaCKSpAEGrTmDgFEDsCjGhMoHuVM{HaAMBaEn}{HuMoHOWn}DsWzDDHu{DgWnGnBe}
FeIE{MiEnMfCj}SpNeBaEEGrFE{HaAKTrCK}DsFESpHu{FoArNaBe}FeEE{HOIEMiAE}GrGlHuWr
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Post Wednesday, 3rd July 2019, 11:56

Re: SpAs of Wu Jian?

There's also no real reason to be afraid of V:5.
Here's how you do it: standing on the downstairs on V:4, buff up (haste, agility/might/brilliance, spells, whatever), descend, read magic mapping, choose the side with the most promising terrain, blink past the guards, read fear, run. Add more fear and/or fog as needed.
Secure one of the corners, using any resource necessary (consumables, piety), then slowly fan out from there. With movement high speed and high stealth, you don't need a whole lot of space to lose a pursuer: once you've cleared the corridor leading to the corner (where the quadrant's back entrance is), you should be able to abuse that bit of terrain to isolate the enemies coming from inside the quadrant, and from that moment on you can proceed with standard "stabber" tactics.
Throughout all this, if things go wrong, just teleport, and if that doesn't fix it, teleport again.
Be mindful of the noise you make while the floor is still full of enemies (why the popular "immolation strategy" is terrible), which in this case means heavenly storm isn't an option at first (incidentally, heavenly storm is just kind of awful in general; the only sensible way of using it without it backfiring spectacularly is when you know for sure nothing dangerous is going to show up while you fight your intended target, which essentially means you're using much like you'd use an extremely noisy berserk that costs a boatload of piety; IMO, if you can berserk, then you have no reason to ever use heavenly storm).

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