-4 slaying for +8 Str?


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Post Thursday, 21st March 2019, 17:38

-4 slaying for +8 Str?

Guys,

I think I know the answer to this, but thought I'd ask anyway.

-4 slaying for +8 str, and a bunch of other resists plus an extra 9 AC? Thats worth it right?

  Code:
 E - the +6 storm dragon scales of Odyown {rElec rF- MR++ Str+8 Slay-4}
   (You found it in a bailey)   
   
   It affects your strength (+8).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (-4).
   It makes you vulnerable to fire.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.


Versus:

  Code:
 d - a +0 chain mail (worn)


Now eventually I'm going to want a plate but I figure this is better than what I have now, especially considering my axe is +5 already and I have a +2 slaying ring?


  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.23.1-37-gaa34b87 (webtiles) character file.

delarado the Executioner (Minotaur Berserker)      Turns: 16593, Time: 00:59:12

Health: 125/125    AC: 20    Str: 27    XL:     14   Next: 22%
Magic:  13/13      EV:  9    Int:  2    God:    Trog [*****.]
Gold:   1240       SH:  0    Dex:  8    Spells: 13/13 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis .   X - +5 executioner's axe (freeze)
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   (shield currently unavailable)
rNeg     + + +     Faith    .   d - +0 chain mail
rPois    +         Spirit   .   K - -1 hat of Hadjma {rPois rN+++ Regen+ Dex-4}
rElec    .         Reflect  .   g - scarf {repulsion}
rCorr    .         Harm     .   H - +0 pair of gloves
MR       +....                  R - +1 pair of boots
Stlth    ..........             (no amulet)
HPRegen  0.70/turn              o - +5 ring of protection
MPRegen  0.13/turn              W - +3 ring of slaying

@: repel missiles
A: retaliatory headbutt, hooves 1, horns 2, agile 1, dopey 1
a: Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion


You are in a bailey.
You worship Trog.
Trog is extremely pleased with you.
You are very hungry.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 18 of its levels.
You have also visited: Bailey.

You have collected 1240 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 s - a +1 whip of electrocution
 T - a +0 blowgun
 V - the +6 scimitar "Giant's Funeral" {flame, rPois rC+ Str-3 Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It has been specially enchanted to burn those struck by it, causing extra
   injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly
   susceptible opponents. Big, fiery blades are also staple armaments of
   hydra-hunters.
   
   It affects your strength (-3).
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from poison.
 X - a +5 executioner's axe of freezing (weapon)
Missiles
 a - 2 javelins
 h - 62 poisoned needles
 N - 366 stones (quivered)
 O - 39 tomahawks of returning
 U - 4 curare-tipped needles
Armour
 d - a +0 chain mail (worn)
 g - a scarf of repulsion (worn)
 E - the +6 storm dragon scales of Odyown {rElec rF- MR++ Str+8 Slay-4}
   (You found it in a bailey)   
   
   It affects your strength (+8).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (-4).
   It makes you vulnerable to fire.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 H - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
 K - the -1 hat of Hadjma (worn) {rPois rN+++ Regen+ Dex-4}
   (You acquired it on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (-4).
   It protects you from poison.
   It renders you almost immune to negative energy.
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
 R - a +1 pair of boots (worn)
Jewellery
 o - a +5 ring of protection (left hand)
 q - an uncursed ring of ice
 x - an uncursed ring of poison resistance
 C - a +4 ring of evasion
 G - a +2 ring of strength
 L - a +5 ring of evasion
 W - a +3 ring of slaying (right hand)
Wands
 k - a wand of paralysis (9)
 m - a wand of acid (5)
 t - a wand of iceblast (11)
 u - a wand of disintegration (22)
 Q - a wand of polymorph (6)
 S - a wand of flame (35)
Scrolls
 b - 2 scrolls labeled KORRIA MULYUB
 e - 3 scrolls of immolation
 f - 3 scrolls of fog
 i - 8 scrolls of teleportation
 j - 6 scrolls of fear
 n - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon
 r - 5 scrolls of remove curse
 y - 4 scrolls of magic mapping
 I - 2 scrolls of enchant armour
 M - a scroll of vulnerability
 P - a scroll of torment
 Y - a scroll of brand weapon
 Z - a scroll of blinking
Potions
 l - a potion of haste
 p - 4 potions of curing
 v - a potion of berserk rage
 w - 2 potions of lignification
 z - 7 potions of heal wounds
 A - a potion of magic
 B - 2 potions of might
 D - a potion of agility
 F - 2 potions of mutation
 J - 2 potions of flight
Comestibles
 c - 31 rations


   Skills:
 + Level 11.7 Fighting
 + Level 22.7 Axes
 + Level 11.4 Armour
 - Level 2.1 Dodging


You have 13 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.
Your spell library is empty.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (12/15)            Temple (0/1) D:7            Lair (6/6) D:9
  Swamp (0/4) Lair:2       Spider (0/4) Lair:2        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (0/2) D:12       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Nemelex Xobeh
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Yredelemnul
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:4 *   D:6 :

Annotations:
D:5 2 transporters, bmj180's ghost, amateur HOFi
D:7 2 transporters, exclusion: door
Lair:4 exclusion: 4 oklob plants


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.
You have large cloven feet.
You are agile. (Dex +2)
You are dopey. (Int -2)


Message History

You see here an inedible chunk of flesh.
You can't carry that many items.
Things that are here:
a +0 war axe; a +0 leather armour
Things that are here:
a +0 hand axe; a +0 leather armour; a hobgoblin corpse
Things that are here:
a +0 war axe; a +0 leather armour
You see here an inedible chunk of flesh.
Items here: )) [[ †
a +0 war axe; a +0 leather armour; a +0 hand axe; a +0 ring mail; an orc corpse
O - 33 tomahawks of returning (gained 1)
There is an open door, spattered with blood here.
Items here: ))))))))))) [[[[[[[[[[[ ††††††
O - 39 tomahawks of returning (gained 6)
There is a gate leading back out of this place, spattered with blood here.
There is an open door, spattered with blood here.
Items here: ))))))))))) [[[[[[[[[[[ ††††††
Okay, then.
Saving game... please wait.

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You can see 6 kobolds.

Vanquished Creatures
  Josephine (D:11)
  2 hydras
  3 two-headed ogres
  9 death yaks
  A wizard (D:10)
  An orc knight (Bailey)
  An ugly thing (D:11)
  A deep elf mage (D:12)
  15 elephants
  A torpor snail (Lair:6)
  3 black mambas
  A gargoyle (D:10)
  11 spiny frogs
  5 komodo dragons
  6 hornets
  3 trolls
  13 blink frogs
  9 polar bears
  7 hippogriffs
  A dream sheep (Lair:6)
  13 spriggans
  6 wyverns
  A shadow (D:10)
  Grum (D:8)
  31 yaks
  4 wraiths (D:11)
  A basilisk (Lair:6)
  A hungry ghost (D:7)
  6 water moccasins
  An ice beast (D:11)
  10 porcupines
  5 orc warriors
  A sky beast (D:5)
  3 phantoms
  6 black bears
  A necrophage (D:6)
  10 centaurs
  5 ogres
  2 boggarts (Lair:6)
  21 wolves
  11 crocodiles
  2 water moccasin zombies
  15 bullfrogs
  A scorpion (Lair:2)
  8 killer bees
  9 wights
  4 howler monkeys
  2 bullfrog zombies
  6 crimson imps
  4 hounds
  2 jellies
  8 orc priests
  16 orc wizards
  A centaur skeleton (D:4)
  2 bullfrog skeletons
  A gnoll shaman (D:5)
  An iguana (D:8)
  Terence (D:3)
  6 worker ants
  2 killer bee zombies (D:8)
  2 hound zombies
  2 hound skeletons
  Robin (D:2)
  8 gnolls
  12 adders
  4 worms
  2 dart slugs
  4 leopard geckos
  38 orcs
  11 bats
  5 giant cockroaches
  21 goblins
  20 hobgoblins
  9 jackals
  4 kobolds
  3 quokkas
  5 frilled lizards (D:1)
  A hobgoblin zombie (D:12)
  2 jackal skeletons
  8 rats
  5 fungi
  2 plants
494 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A minotaur (Lair:5)
  The ghost of teukkam the Cleaver, a journeyman MiFi of Nemelex Xobeh (Lair:5)
  An elephant (Lair:5)
  A dream sheep (Lair:5)
4 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  5 fungi
  8 plants
13 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 511 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | delarado the Minotaur Berserker began the quest for the
                  | Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/0
    50 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Axes
    61 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 22/26 MP: 1/1
   312 | D:1      | Reached skill level 5 in Axes
   385 | D:1      | Reached ** piety under Trog
   385 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 31/31 MP: 2/2
  1062 | D:2      | Reached skill level 6 in Axes
  1062 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 38/39 MP: 3/3
  1109 | D:2      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  1131 | D:2      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  1179 | D:2      | Noticed Robin
  1197 | D:2      | Killed Robin
  1938 | D:3      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  2007 | D:3      | Reached skill level 7 in Axes
  2007 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 40/45 MP: 4/4
  2359 | D:3      | Reached *** piety under Trog
  2438 | D:3      | Noticed Terence
  2442 | D:3      | Killed Terence
  2477 | D:3      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  2625 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  2633 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  2633 | D:4      | Reached skill level 8 in Axes
  2633 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 51/51 MP: 5/5
  2698 | D:4      | Found Namixko's Mayhem Merchandise.
  2788 | D:4      | Noticed a hippogriff
  2793 | D:4      | Killed a hippogriff
  2793 | D:4      | Reached skill level 9 in Axes
  2793 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 57/57 MP: 6/6
  2902 | D:4      | Reached skill level 10 in Axes
  3450 | D:4      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  3601 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3644 | D:5      | Noticed bmj180's ghost (amateur HOFi)
  3646 | D:5      | Found a transporter.
  3800 | D:5      | Reached skill level 11 in Axes
  3858 | D:5      | Found a transporter.
  3967 | D:5      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  4034 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 64/64 MP: 7/7
  4071 | D:5      | Reached **** piety under Trog
  4276 | D:5      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  4300 | D:6      | Reached skill level 12 in Axes
  4623 | D:6      | Reached skill level 13 in Axes
  4867 | D:6      | Paralysed by a wight for 5 turns
  4996 | D:6      | Found Jekkouc's Book Emporium.
  5150 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 66/70 MP: 8/8
  5167 | D:6      | Reached skill level 14 in Axes
  5693 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5917 | D:7      | Found a transporter.
  5925 | D:7      | Found a transporter.
  5925 | D:7      | Noticed a cyclops
  5932 | D:7      | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
  6049 | D:7      | Reached skill level 15 in Axes
  6216 | D:7      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  6995 | D:8      | Reached skill level 16 in Axes
  6999 | D:8      | Noticed Grum
  7014 | D:8      | Reached ***** piety under Trog
  7020 | D:8      | Killed Grum
  7040 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 64/77 MP: 9/9
  7494 | D:9      | Noticed a death yak
  7516 | D:9      | Killed a death yak
  7516 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  7708 | D:9      | Noticed a death yak
  7709 | D:9      | Noticed a death yak
  7726 | D:9      | Killed a death yak
  7736 | D:9      | Killed a death yak
  7736 | D:9      | Reached skill level 17 in Axes
  7736 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  7737 | D:9      | Noticed a death yak
  7738 | D:9      | Noticed a death yak
  7749 | D:9      | Killed a death yak
  7755 | D:9      | Killed a death yak
  7787 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 76/92 MP: 10/10
  7791 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  7864 | D:9      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  7872 | D:9      | Killed a two-headed ogre
  8083 | D:9      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  8507 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  8836 | D:10     | Noticed a wizard
  8841 | D:10     | Killed a wizard
  9035 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  9045 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
  9428 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
  9752 | Lair:1   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
  9757 | Lair:1   | Killed a five-headed hydra
  9840 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 18 in Axes
 10152 | Lair:2   | Noticed a death yak
 10164 | Lair:2   | Noticed a death yak
 10166 | Lair:2   | Killed a death yak
 10174 | Lair:2   | Noticed a death yak
 10175 | Lair:2   | Noticed a death yak
 10185 | Lair:2   | Killed a death yak
 10190 | Lair:2   | Killed a death yak
 10190 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 10190 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 49/106 MP: 11/11
 10193 | Lair:2   | Killed a death yak
 10518 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 10533 | Lair:2   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 10713 | Lair:2   | Gained mutation: You are dopey. (Int -2) [potion of
                  | mutation]
 10713 | Lair:2   | Gained mutation: You are agile. (Dex +2) [potion of
                  | mutation]
 10713 | Lair:2   | Gained mutation: You have large cloven feet. [potion of
                  | mutation]
 10763 | Lair:2   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 11983 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Trog
 12248 | Lair:4   | Noticed a four-headed hydra
 12263 | Lair:4   | Killed a four-headed hydra
 12263 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 19 in Axes
 13144 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 13152 | Lair:5   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 116/116 MP: 12/12
 13160 | Lair:5   | Found a runed translucent gate.
 13161 | Lair:5   | Found a runed translucent gate.
 13162 | Lair:5   | Found a runed translucent gate.
 13219 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 20 in Axes
 13398 | Lair:5   | Noticed teukkam's ghost (journeyman MiFi)
 13399 | Lair:5   | Noticed a minotaur
 13455 | Lair:5   | Killed a minotaur
 13458 | Lair:5   | Killed teukkam's ghost
 13478 | Lair:5   | Got a bronze leather armour
 13489 | Lair:5   | Identified the +1 leather armour of Claustrophobia {MR+}
                  | (You found it on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts)
 13859 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 14037 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 21 in Axes
 14522 | Lair:6   | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 14524 | Lair:6   | Got a smoking hat
 14530 | Lair:6   | Identified the -1 hat of Hadjma {rPois rN+++ Regen+ Dex-4}
                  | (You acquired it on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)
 14549 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Trog
 14753 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 22 in Axes
 15331 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 62/124 MP: 13/13
 15446 | Lair:6   | Got a crystal scimitar
 15447 | Lair:6   | Identified the +6 scimitar "Giant's Funeral" {flame, rPois
                  | rC+ Str-3 Dex+3} (You found it on level 6 of the Lair of
                  | Beasts)
 16177 | D:11     | Noticed Josephine
 16194 | D:11     | Killed Josephine
 16197 | D:11     | Received a gift from Trog
 16365 | D:12     | Found a flagged portal.
 16380 | Bailey   | Entered a bailey
 16474 | Bailey   | Got ichor-stained storm dragon scales
 16486 | Bailey   | Identified the +6 storm dragon scales of Odyown {rElec rF-
                  | MR++ Str+8 Slay-4} (You found it in a bailey)

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 |
---------------+-------------------------------------------+-----
Axes           |  4  5  6  7  8  9 11 13 16 17 18 19 22    | 22.7
Fighting       |                             7 10 11       | 11.7
Armour         |                             6  9 10    11 | 11.4
Dodging        |                                           |  2.1

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Hand axe          |   102 |   134 |   337 |       |       ||   573
       Headbutt          |    14 |    30 |    68 |    88 |    52 ||   252
       War axe           |       |       |    55 |   385 |       ||   440
       Whip              |       |       |       |    20 |       ||    20
       Executioner's axe |       |       |       |    59 |   334 ||   393
Throw: Stone             |       |       |       |     4 |     1 ||     5
Invok: Berserk           |       |     3 |     2 |     3 |     1 ||     9
       Trog's Hand       |       |       |     1 |     5 |     2 ||     8
       Brothers in Arms  |       |       |       |     2 |     1 ||     3
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |     1 |     2 ||     3
  Use: Scroll            |       |     4 |     4 |    11 |     9 ||    28
       Potion            |       |     1 |       |     5 |     1 ||     7
  Eat: Chunk             |     1 |     7 |    11 |    15 |    12 ||    46
       Ration            |       |       |     2 |     3 |       ||     5
Armor: Chain mail        |    67 |    68 |   133 |   151 |   165 ||   584
Dodge: Dodged            |    55 |    43 |   174 |   242 |   245 ||   759
       Deflected         |       |       |     4 |     3 |    51 ||    58

Zot Zealot

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Post Thursday, 21st March 2019, 17:48

Re: -4 slaying for +8 Str?

probably worth it. I've never looked at the numbers myself, but I heard strength is more important than slaying for hard-hitting weapons. Unless you start missing stuff.
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Slime Squisher

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Post Thursday, 21st March 2019, 18:35

Re: -4 slaying for +8 Str?

+8 Str and MR++ and rElec and AC on top? Worth it!
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Blades Runner

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Post Thursday, 21st March 2019, 19:17

Re: -4 slaying for +8 Str?

Isn't ~2.1 STR roughly worth 1 slaying? 9 AC and MR++ makes it worth for now, unless you're planning on walking into a volcano.

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Post Thursday, 21st March 2019, 22:39

Re: -4 slaying for +8 Str?

Hmm. I didn't realize that Str had that much of an impact on damage. I though it was mostly used to allow you to wear heavier armour. Anyone know the specifics of how strength impacts damage?
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Post Thursday, 21st March 2019, 22:53

Re: -4 slaying for +8 Str?

It's about +5% damage for each point of strength

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Post Friday, 22nd March 2019, 08:16

Re: -4 slaying for +8 Str?

I'd stop training Axes for now, your defenses are quite low for this stage. Basically I would drop that hat and started training dodging. MiBe can have high EV even in GDS.
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Post Friday, 22nd March 2019, 08:45

Re: -4 slaying for +8 Str?

chequers wrote:It's about +5% damage for each point of strength
It's about half that

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Post Friday, 22nd March 2019, 13:02

Re: -4 slaying for +8 Str?

The relationship between slaying and STR varies, because slaying is a fixed bonus whereas STR is a multiplier of your base damage (which is determined by your weapon and skills).

As duvessa said, each point of STR increases your base damage by about 2.5%.

The base damage of an executioner's axe is 18.

At max Fighting and Weapon skills, your base damage would be doubled. You're a bit more than halfway there, so let's say it's increased by 60%. (I'm doing this back-of-the-envelope.)

That puts us at 18 * 1.6 = 28.8. Then we see the bonus given by a point of STR is 28.8 * 0.025 = 0.72. So at this point 1 STR is less damage than 1 slaying, but 8 STR is 0.72 * 8 = 5.76, which is more than 4 slaying.

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Post Friday, 22nd March 2019, 15:37

Re: -4 slaying for +8 Str?

Thanks guys... While we are on maths...

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M - the +8 war axe "Xeibatz" (weapon) {speed, MR- Str+9 Dex+4}


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C - the +8 frozen axe "Frostbite" {freezing cloud, *Noise +Fly rC+}.


The Str and speed is nice from the war axe, but I think it kind of almost negates the point of berserk (Except for extra HP) Since my delay goes from 0.4 to 0.3 when berserk.

Looking at the strength maths, that extra 9 strength basically negates the -4 slaying from the armor. Whereas frostbite gives me freezing clouds, and actually a little extra damage.

The way I see it is I get fast attacks, more EV and less MR, or a noisy, more damage spiky weapon that leaves me with decent MR. I suspect the war axe will out-DPS frostbite due to accuracy and attack speed. Am I wrong?

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Post Friday, 22nd March 2019, 16:14

Re: -4 slaying for +8 Str?

With that many differences, you should use fsim for an accurate answer. I'd use Frostbite as I'm almost certain it will have a better damage output (11 -> 18 base damage is massive and probably beats double attack rate); but Xeibatz is a one-handed weapon, so you'd get to use a shield with it.

Speed just means 50% increased attack rate, and I'm pretty sure it stacks with haste/berserk. But regardless, I would advise not thinking too much about synergy with berserk. Berserk is already so powerful it shreds anything you can hit during it, so the situations you want to plan for are ones where berserk wouldn't work well.

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Post Friday, 22nd March 2019, 17:38

Re: -4 slaying for +8 Str?

Speed and haste\finesse\zerk stack but there's an hard limit of 0.3 to min-delay.
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Post Friday, 22nd March 2019, 17:51

Re: -4 slaying for +8 Str?

Frostbite is a special case; it puts freezing clouds on targets and freezing cloud does a ton of damage over time.

My guess is that even without that, though, the war axe will not shine. A +8 exe axe is pretty boss if you can skill up for it, which as an MiBe you absolutely can.
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Post Friday, 5th April 2019, 17:12

Re: -4 slaying for +8 Str?

nago wrote:Speed and haste\finesse\zerk stack but there's an hard limit of 0.3 to min-delay.

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