SpEn, the loot is too good + what to do?


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Ne

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Joined: Friday, 28th December 2018, 18:13

Post Friday, 28th December 2018, 18:32

SpEn, the loot is too good + what to do?

[Sorry for bad English]
Hello. I am very distracted player, so I usually die very fast. And my favourite character is fragile SpEn (since 0.8 or so). And because of that I die fast, I have not enough experience in difficult questions like this:
In my current game, I caught good luck (like +3 dagger immediately on arrival), but now the weapon question is really hard: wielded
K - the +7 rapier of the Beginning (weapon) {pierce, Fragile rC+++ rN+ Int+2}
(You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)
vs
O - a +9 quick blade of flaming
(You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)

And, second question -- which is the better way to develop this character to stay alive?

Other loot inculde:
[I personally love chaos brand very much and thinked that this will be my main weapon... for about half of floor (and then that rapier was found)]
T - a +0 dagger of chaos
(You took it off a crimson imp on level 5 of the Dungeon)
[+6Int on 4th floor? Is this legal?]
G - a +6 ring of intelligence (left hand)
(You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)


So, what can I do to not lose all this luck?

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.23-a0-636-g0ff6057 (console) character file.

Ne the Covert (Spriggan Enchanter)                 Turns: 11497, Time: 01:15:19

Health: 52/52      AC:  3    Str:  5    XL:     11   Next: 27%
Magic:  24/24      EV: 24    Int: 26    God:    Okawaru [*****.]
Gold:   404        SH:  7    Dex: 18    Spells: 10/26 levels left

rFire    + + .     SeeInvis +   K - +7 rapier {pierce, Fragile rC+++ rN+ Int+2}
rCold    + + +     Gourm    .   P - +1 buckler {rF+} {god gift}
rNeg     + . .     Faith    .   b - +0 robe
rPois    .         Spirit   .   (helmet restricted)
rElec    .         Reflect  .   p - +0 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   (gloves unavailable)
MR       +....                  (boots unavailable)
Stlth    ++++......             (no amulet)
HPRegen  0.17/turn              G - +6 ring of intelligence
MPRegen  0.19/turn              x - +4 ring of slaying

@: very quick
A: very small, unfitting armour, see invisible, fire resistance 1, herbivore,
speed 3, sense surroundings 1, slow metabolism 2
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion


You are in the Ecumenical Temple.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is extremely pleased with you.
You are hungry.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 10 of its levels.
You have also visited: Ossuary.

You have collected 593 gold pieces.
You have spent 189 gold pieces at shops.


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are very small and have problems with some larger weapons.
You are too small for most types of armour.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight. (SInv)
You are a herbivore.
You cover ground extremely quickly.
You need to consume almost no food.
Your flesh is heat resistant. (rF+)
You passively map a small area around you.


Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 o - a +2 dagger of electrocution
   (You took it off an orc wizard on level 8 of the Dungeon)
 v - a +3 dagger
   (You took it off an orc wizard on level 8 of the Dungeon)
 K - the +7 rapier of the Beginning (weapon) {pierce, Fragile rC+++ rN+ Int+2}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It renders you almost immune to cold.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It will be destroyed if unequipped.
 O - a +9 quick blade of flaming
   (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
 T - a +0 dagger of chaos
   (You took it off a crimson imp on level 5 of the Dungeon)
 U - a twisted hand axe
   (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
Missiles
 M - 3 throwing nets (quivered)
Armour
 b - a +0 robe (worn)
 p - a +0 cloak (worn)
   (You took it off Crazy Yiuf on level 2 of the Dungeon)
 P - a +1 buckler of fire resistance (worn) {god gift}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 7 of the Dungeon)
Jewellery
 f - an uncursed ring of positive energy
   (You found it on level 1 of the Dungeon)
 h - an uncursed ring of magical power
   (You bought it in a shop on level 6 of the Dungeon)
 m - a +2 ring of protection
   (You found it on level 2 of the Dungeon)
 x - a +4 ring of slaying (right hand)
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)
 G - a +6 ring of intelligence (left hand)
   (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)
 I - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
   (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
 N - an uncursed ring of flight
   (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
Wands
 w - a wand of random effects (19)
   (You took it off Terence on level 2 of the Dungeon)
 y - a wand of digging (3)
   (You found it on level 3 of the Dungeon)
 L - a wand of paralysis (4)
   (You took it off Harold on level 7 of the Dungeon)
Scrolls
 e - 2 scrolls labeled ZAAFFEGUZE
 g - 4 scrolls labeled WAUCEL IHUHE
 i - 2 scrolls labeled DUXOEVUCKA
 l - 3 scrolls of teleportation
 q - 4 scrolls labeled GEAQEDW MUMN
 s - 3 scrolls of remove curse
 t - 2 scrolls labeled UHUEKL TISILUMP
 z - 3 scrolls labeled WYMUIC PYCIPP
 H - 3 scrolls labeled RIMOTHRUC KUMO
 Q - a scroll of noise
 R - a scroll of immolation
Potions
 a - a potion of haste
 c - 4 lumpy cyan potions
 j - 5 inky potions
 k - 6 potions of curing
 n - 4 glowing orange potions
 u - 3 murky dark potions
 B - 5 metallic puce potions
 C - 6 silvery potions
 D - 2 viscous purple potions
 E - a potion of cancellation
 F - 3 sedimented white potions
Comestibles
 d - 18 rations


   Skills:
 + Level 3.4 Fighting
 * Level 8.5 Short Blades
 + Level 8.4 Dodging
 + Level 9.3 Stealth
 * Level 1.6 Shields
 - Level 8.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 3.0 Conjurations
 + Level 8.3 Hexes
 - Level 6.0 Charms
 - Level 3.0 Necromancy
 - Level 4.3 Translocations
 - Level 3.0 Ice Magic
 - Level 3.0 Invocations
 - Level 3.4 Evocations


You have 10 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Corona                Hex            ######.      1%          1    None
b - Ensorcelled Hibernat  Hex/Ice        #####.       1%          2    None
c - Confuse               Hex            ######..     1%          3    None
d - Dazzling Spray        Conj/Hex       #####.       2%          3    None
e - Shroud of Golubria    Chrm/Tloc      #####.....   1%          2    None
f - Song of Slaying       Chrm           #####...     1%          2    None
g - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      ####......   3%          3    None

Your spell library contains the following spells:

 Spells                   Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
 Infusion                 Chrm           ####         1%          1    None
 Spectral Weapon          Hex/Chrm       #####...     1%          3    None
 Tukima's Dance           Hex            ######..     1%          3    None
 Beastly Appendage        Tmut           ##....       9%          1    None
 Sticks to Snakes         Tmut           ##......     12%         2    None
 Spider Form              Tmut/Pois      ##........   24%         3    None
 Ice Form                 Ice/Tmut       ###.....     41%         4    ##.....
 Blade Hands              Tmut           ##........   92%         5    ####...


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (9/15)             Temple (1/1) D:5         
  Lair: D:8-11         Orc: D:9-12     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Lugonu

Shops:
D:6 *   D:8 :

Message History

Char dumped successfully.
Save game and exit?

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Harold (D:7)
  A two-headed ogre (D:8)
  Joseph (D:7)
  A centaur skeleton (D:7)
  2 hellwings (D:7)
  6 yaks (D:9)
  A wyvern (D:9)
  Duvessa (D:7)
  2 black bears (D:7 D:9)
  2 ice beasts (D:9 D:7)
  3 orc warriors (D:6 D:7)
  A necrophage (D:7)
  10 ogres (D:4 D:5 D:6 D:7 D:9)
  3 centaurs (D:7 D:8)
  A crocodile (D:7)
  2 elf zombies (Ossuary)
  5 bullfrogs (D:6)
  Dowan (D:7)
  A scorpion (D:6)
  10 killer bees (D:7 D:8 D:9)
  3 howler monkeys (D:7)
  3 crimson imps (D:5 D:6)
  6 centaur zombies (Ossuary D:7)
  3 human zombies (Ossuary)
  6 hounds (D:4 D:5 D:6 D:7 D:8)
  Crazy Yiuf (D:2)
  9 orc wizards (D:5 D:7 D:8)
  3 orc priests (D:7 D:8)
  6 jellies (D:5 D:7 D:8 D:9)
  A bullfrog skeleton (D:6)
  Terence (D:2)
  2 iguanas (D:4)
  10 worker ants (D:4 D:5 D:6 D:7 D:9)
  A big kobold zombie (Ossuary)
  A hound skeleton (D:9)
  3 mummies (D:4 Ossuary)
  A worker ant zombie (D:5)
  4 adders (D:3 D:5 D:7)
  6 shadow imps (D:7 D:6)
  3 oozes (D:1 D:2 D:3)
  An adder zombie (D:5)
  A worm (D:2)
  4 dart slugs (D:1 D:2 D:4)
  3 leopard geckos (D:3 D:5 D:7)
  38 orcs (D:3 D:4 D:5 D:6 D:7)
  4 giant cockroaches (D:1 D:5 D:6 D:9)
  8 goblins (D:1 D:2 D:3)
  6 hobgoblins (D:1 D:2 D:3)
  12 jackals (D:1 D:2 D:3)
  10 kobolds (D:1 D:2 D:3)
  A quokka (D:2)
  A ball python zombie (D:6)
  6 bats (D:1 D:2 D:3)
  9 frilled lizards (D:1 D:2 D:3 D:4)
  A goblin zombie (Ossuary)
  10 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary)
  2 jackal zombies (Ossuary)
  12 kobold zombies (Ossuary)
  2 leopard gecko zombies (D:6 D:9)
  3 orc zombies (Ossuary)
  7 rats (D:1 D:2 D:3)
  A rat zombie (Ossuary)
  4 plants (D:9)
274 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A withered plant (D:7)
1 creature vanquished.

Grand Total: 275 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Ne the Spriggan Enchanter began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 9/9 MP: 5/5
   383 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 13/13 MP: 5/7
   387 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation
   961 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 14/16 MP: 9/9
  1007 | D:2      | Found a runed door.
  1033 | D:2      | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  1045 | D:2      | Killed Crazy Yiuf
  1045 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
  1057 | D:2      | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse
  1061 | D:2      | Learned a level 3 spell: Dazzling Spray
  1169 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 17/21 MP: 8/12
  1188 | D:2      | Noticed Terence
  1231 | D:2      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  1254 | D:2      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  1310 | D:2      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  1310 | D:2      | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw.
  1312 | D:2      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
  1315 | D:2      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  1316 | D:2      | Found an ornate altar of the Wu Jian Council.
  1494 | D:2      | Killed Terence
  1526 | D:2      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  1529 | D:2      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  1545 | D:2      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  1548 | D:2      | Found a hazy altar of Hepliaklqana.
  2027 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 24/24 MP: 14/14
  2560 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  2579 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  2579 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth
  2579 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
  2579 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 21/29 MP: 8/16
  2716 | D:4      | Found a sand-covered staircase.
  2755 | Ossuary  | Entered an ossuary
  3176 | Ossuary  | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic
  3189 | Ossuary  | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  3545 | Ossuary  | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations
  3545 | Ossuary  | Reached XP level 7. HP: 27/33 MP: 6/18
  3655 | Ossuary  | Reached skill level 6 in Stealth
  4018 | D:4      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  4018 | D:4      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  4028 | D:4      | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru
  4443 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4534 | D:5      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  4535 | D:5      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  4561 | D:5      | HP: 1/33 [ogre/+0 giant spiked club (26)]
  4574 | D:5      | Reached skill level 7 in Stealth
  4901 | D:5      | Reached * piety under Okawaru
  4901 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
  4901 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 28/37 MP: 15/20
  5169 | D:5      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5209 | D:5      | Got a transparent rapier
  5210 | D:5      | Identified the +7 rapier of the Beginning {pierce, Fragile
                  | rC+++ rN+ Int+2} (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)
  5757 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  5924 | D:6      | Reached skill level 8 in Stealth
  6073 | D:6      | Learned a level 2 spell: Shroud of Golubria
  6076 | D:6      | Learned a level 2 spell: Song of Slaying
  6080 | D:6      | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration
  6207 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades
  6207 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Charms
  6207 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations
  6274 | D:6      | Found Kepap's Assorted Antiques.
  6284 | D:6      | Reached ** piety under Okawaru
  6284 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy
  6290 | D:6      | Bought a scroll labeled MEIRPH BODO for 24 gold pieces
  6290 | D:6      | Bought a scroll labeled MEIRPH BODO for 24 gold pieces
  6290 | D:6      | Bought a glowing orange potion for 21 gold pieces
  6290 | D:6      | Bought a blackened golden ring for 120 gold pieces
  6357 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes
  6728 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 31/41 MP: 22/22
  6730 | D:7      | Noticed a hellwing
  6983 | D:7      | Reached *** piety under Okawaru
  7080 | D:7      | Noticed Dowan
  7087 | D:7      | Noticed Duvessa
  7107 | D:7      | Killed Duvessa
  7173 | D:7      | Killed Dowan
  7212 | D:7      | Noticed Harold
  7359 | D:9      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
  7894 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Charms
  7919 | D:9      | Reached **** piety under Okawaru
  8230 | D:9      | Got a twisted hand axe
  8293 | D:9      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 20/46 MP: 23/23
  8407 | D:9      | Received a gift from Okawaru
  8415 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  8584 | D:8      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  8705 | D:7      | Reached ***** piety under Okawaru
  9044 | D:7      | Noticed Joseph
  9330 | D:7      | Killed Joseph
  9361 | D:7      | Killed Harold
  9568 | D:7      | Received a gift from Okawaru
  9568 | D:7      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 28/52 MP: 15/24
  9794 | D:7      | Reached skill level 9 in Stealth
 10027 | D:7      | Gained mutation: Your flesh is heat resistant. (rF+)
                  | [potion of mutation]
 10027 | D:7      | Gained mutation: You passively map a small area around you.
                  | [potion of mutation]
 10405 | D:8      | Killed a two-headed ogre
 10405 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
 10622 | D:8      | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw.
 10737 | D:8      | Found Jeofrog's Book Emporium.

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 |
---------------+----------------------------------+-----
Spellcasting   |  3  4  5  6        7  8          |  8.0
Stealth        |              5     7  8        9 |  9.3
Evocations     |              1  2           3    |  3.4
Short Blades   |                 2  4  5  6  8    |  8.5
Ice Magic      |                 1  2        3    |  3.0
Hexes          |                 4     5  7  8    |  8.3
Fighting       |                 1           3    |  3.4
Conjurations   |                 1     2     3    |  3.0
Invocations    |                    1  2     3    |  3.0
Charms         |                       2  5  6    |  6.0
Translocations |                       2  4       |  4.3
Necromancy     |                       1  2  3    |  3.0
Dodging        |                          4  8    |  8.4
Shields        |                                1 |  1.6

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Dagger            |   112 |   292 |   124 |       ||   528
       Rapier            |       |       |   119 |   195 ||   314
 Cast: Corona            |     1 |       |       |       ||     1
       Ensorcelled Hiber |     2 |    17 |    86 |    38 ||   143
       Dazzling Spray    |     1 |     5 |     6 |     4 ||    16
       Confuse           |       |    12 |    14 |    19 ||    45
       Regeneration      |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Shroud of Golubri |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
 Abil: Stop Flying       |       |       |       |     5 ||     5
       Evoke Flight      |       |       |       |     5 ||     5
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |       |       |       |    13 ||    13
       Potion            |       |       |       |     5 ||     5
 Stab: Sleeping          |     9 |    27 |    70 |    21 ||   127
       Confused          |       |     7 |     8 |    18 ||    33
       Distracted        |       |       |     1 |     2 ||     3
       Invisible         |       |       |     1 |     1 ||     2
  Eat: Ration            |       |       |     3 |     2 ||     5
Armor: Robe              |     9 |    38 |    17 |    12 ||    76
Dodge: Dodged            |    98 |   226 |   154 |   144 ||   622
Block: Buckler           |       |       |       |    29 ||    29

Table legend:
 A = Turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in the
     entire game.
 B = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of
     non-inter-level travel turns spent in the entire game.
 C = Inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of
     turns spent in this place.
 D = Turns resting spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level
     travel turns spent in this place.
 E = Turns spent auto-exploring this place as a percentage of
     non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place.
 F = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place divided by the
     number of levels of this place that you've seen.

                   A       B       C       D       E               F
               +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------
         Total | 100.0 | 100.0 |   5.2 |  29.6 |  44.7 |         990.9
       Dungeon |  89.6 |  89.2 |   5.6 |  26.1 |  49.5 |        1079.9
        Temple |   0.9 |   0.8 |  17.3 |   0.0 |  33.7 |          86.0
       Ossuary |   9.5 |  10.0 |   0.0 |  62.9 |   3.3 |        1095.0
               +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------

Table legend:
 A = Kills in this place as a percentage of kills in entire the game.
 B = Kills by you in this place as a percentage of kills by you in
     the entire game.
 C = Kills by friends in this place as a percentage of kills by
     friends in the entire game.
 D = Other kills in this place as a percentage of other kills in the
     entire game.
 E = Experience gained in this place as a percentage of experience
     gained in the entire game.
 F = Experience gained in this place divided by the number of levels of
     this place that you have seen.

                   A       B       C       D       E               F
               +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------
         Total | 100.0 | 100.0 |  N/A  | 100.0 | 100.0 |        1267.7
       Dungeon |  85.9 |  86.2 |  N/A  |  50.0 |  96.8 |        1499.7
       Ossuary |  14.1 |  13.8 |  N/A  |  50.0 |   3.2 |         448.0
               +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------



Apology: Okawaru for armour. Mutations -- one potion was lucky too.
For now I will go and try do some boring job instead of losing this run.
P.S. For the challenge wrote this message without dictionary. Is the result very bad?

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Post Friday, 28th December 2018, 18:54

Re: SpEn, the loot is too good + what to do?

The quick blade is better. The resistances on it are mildly helpful, but finding a ring or robe with a resistance on it should mitigate the need for them.

Chaos is a very powerful brand, that will occasionally kill you. As a result, it's not worth using if you want to win.

Okawaru is notably unreliable when it comes to gifts, taking him strictly for armour gifts isn't utilizing your god slot very effectively, generally speaking Oka is below average for this type of build, his active abilities are great for people who deal damage primarily with big weapons, however heroism and finesse aren't going to make short-blade melee a long term useful killing tool, and his abilities don't support your current killing style really much at all.

Continuing to stay alive long term requires you branch out slightly, Hexes are very very powerful, and can go a long way, but you'll need *something* else to reliably kill some later game stuff, or sufficient tools to avoid having to kill stuff, there's lots of different options and there's no one specific one that's way better. I would recommend: being able to kill things at range (conjurations, or if you want to exploit a little benefit from Okawaru, pick up and train a decent sling, he'll supply you with ammo, possibly a better sling, and heroism and finesse will help make slings less terrible) or using summons (Running away is something that spriggans are very good at, running away while dropping summons behind you to beat on things and cover your escape is effective, but really terribly boring and annoying) or possibly necromancy (undead are just differently flavored summons) it all depends on what other spellbooks you find.

Your English is not bad at all, it's quite readable and understandable, not native-speaker level, but certainly not bad.
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Post Friday, 28th December 2018, 19:30

Re: SpEn, the loot is too good + what to do?

Siegurt, thank you very much! I thought and I'll stick with rapier for a while, just for a case if Ice cave will be somewhere nearby before I'll found at least one pip of rC.
About Oka: since previous post he gifted me another runed quick blade (irony!) and +2 hat of Int (which can effectively replace Int property on soon-will-be-broken rapier -- so much intelligence in game hints me to go more conjurer-like way, speaking of something else than hexes). Oh, and buckler. Actually I think I'll betray him, if I'll can survive long enough. And I think his abilities will have great synergy with song of slaying, if all will go wrong.
For ranged I already found fulminant prism, what is amazing too in my opinion (I don't like both summons and necromancy). And robe of the Archimagi.
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Post Friday, 28th December 2018, 19:31

Re: SpEn, the loot is too good + what to do?

Quickblade is indeed better, but I disagree with saying chaos dagger is bad- I think it’s fantastic as a spriggan. Because you’re so fast, if you berserk or haste something, you can just run away, and turning something invisible has no effect. Since other chaos effects include *irresistible* petrify, banish and paralysis, it’s a great hexer’s tool if you can enchant it up.

Otherwise, yeah, you should definitely branch out to take advantage of Oka, I’d say a ranged weapon. Sling is probably best.

EDIT- I would just focus on support spells or a couple summons (lightning spire) with your high Int, Oka is a waste of most of the game otherwise.
Song of Slaying is garbage.
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4 Runes: VSFi^Qaz.
5 Runes: DsGl^Oka, MiGl^Hep, GnWz^Sif.
9 Runes: DDAr^Makh.
15 Runes: HOFi^TSO->Zin, DEFE^Veh
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Post Friday, 28th December 2018, 19:41

Re: SpEn, the loot is too good + what to do?

Hmm, thank you. In the ideal case, I'd rebrand one of quick blades again and again to get chaotic brand on it.
Ranged weapons are also something that I don't like very much, so... when it will be relatively safe to abandon Oka? I'd probably go Lugonu (corrupted temple), Dith or Ash.

Also, on the D13 I found this:
the +7 dagger "Ugeohas" {vamp, +Rage rPois}

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Post Friday, 28th December 2018, 20:11

Re: SpEn, the loot is too good + what to do?

Indeed, there was Ice cave on Lair:1 :-D
Meleed three Ice statues to death and crumbled rapier. Oka's gift turned up plain +5 quick blade, and I rebranded +9 to lousy protection. Hmm, maybe I should use vampiric dagger instead?
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Post Friday, 28th December 2018, 21:02

Re: SpEn, the loot is too good + what to do?

Ash and Dith are both good for stabbers. Lugonu doesn’t specifically synergize with that playstyle (Banish is a single target MR check just like all your hexes), but provides a good panic button.
If you can handle Elf/Depths monsters you can abandon Oka. As a spriggan if you can flee and kite the summons one at a time.

Don’t go for vamp short blades, they don’t deal enough damage to make the healing worth it.
I would not depend on branding the quickblade into chaos. If the wiki is accurate in this case, there’s a 2% chance to get chaos brand.
If you want chaos, enchant the dagger.
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4 Runes: VSFi^Qaz.
5 Runes: DsGl^Oka, MiGl^Hep, GnWz^Sif.
9 Runes: DDAr^Makh.
15 Runes: HOFi^TSO->Zin, DEFE^Veh
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Post Saturday, 29th December 2018, 04:51

Re: SpEn, the loot is too good + what to do?

Vanguardan wrote:Quickblade is indeed better, but I disagree with saying chaos dagger is bad- I think it’s fantastic as a spriggan. Because you’re so fast, if you berserk or haste something, you can just run away, and turning something invisible has no effect. Since other chaos effects include *irresistible* petrify, banish and paralysis, it’s a great hexer’s tool if you can enchant it up.

Otherwise, yeah, you should definitely branch out to take advantage of Oka, I’d say a ranged weapon. Sling is probably best.

EDIT- I would just focus on support spells or a couple summons (lightning spire) with your high Int, Oka is a waste of most of the game otherwise.
Song of Slaying is garbage.

Other chaos effects include: Healing the monster, Duplicating it, raising it as a hostile zombie, and causing a random miscast (which can cause a bunch of explosion damage to you, or all kinds of other nasty things)

A chaos dagger no doubt can make certain fights easier, and it's beneficial effects are indeed useful and powerful, allowing you to make short work of fights you would need otherwise some other tool to beat, however, it *can* kill you, it's not very likely, but in a game where death is permanent, you only have to roll badly once at just the wrong time to die from a dagger of chaos. Additionally by the time you face things which are magic immune, you have plenty of opportunity to obtain such tools. Hasting or duplicating an orb of fire, pan lord, or ancient lich will have a good chance of killing you before you get out of LOS. The subset of things that are both unable to be handled with traditional hexer tools *and* are safe to hit with a chaos dagger are really really slim.

I definitely wouldn't waste enchant scrolls on it (unless you literally have nothing else to do with them), as enchantment virtually nothing to improve your odds of using it effectively (dagger stabbing isn't improved by enchanting, and your odds of rolling a useful effect of chaos are constant)

That being said, chaos *is* very powerful, and the odds of getting a bad result and dying are pretty small, so if you're willing to risk the small chance of just having to start a new game, feel free, it's definitely kind of fun, it's just not technically optimal for your win chances.
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