Unarmed in treeform

[Rast]

people who continue using their awful weapon in tree form, not realizing that it has a huge unarmed bonus.

Suppose I have 15 STR and a decent early weapon like flail or war axe or Qstaff. How far do I have to train my weapon for it to be better than treeform UC?

[CanOfWorms]

Treeform UC is 12 base damage at 1.0 base delay with a +10 STR bonus. A quarterstaff is 10 base damage and 1.3 base delay, so you need to reduce it to 0.8 delay just for the base damage per aut to be at least as good as treeform UC assuming no enchantment, which is 10 skill. Weapon skill does provide an additional damage multiplier and based on the formula it looks like it's slightly worse than the +10 STR bonus from tree form so the answer is probably somewhere slightly above 10 skill for an unbranded +0 quarterstaff.

[chequers]

maybe treeform should just meld weapons to make this more newbie friendly?

[bel]

I usually enter Tree form for the defensive bonuses. I don't think melding weapons is necessary, but I wouldn't mind it either.

[mopl]

Treeform use ?
Go In Slime:5 middle vault, treeform, read 2 or 3 ?torment, immolation, quaff cancellation, hit once, enjoy the show

[sanka]

Treeform UC is 12 base damage at 1.0 base delay with a +10 STR bonus.

If we compare UC in treeform vs weapon in treeform, then the STR bonus should not matter, should it? I thought that STR gives the same bonus for both UC and weapons.

[le_nerd]

Treeform in slime sounds like the worst idea ever. Setting your EV to 2 while you get pelted with acid from everywhere? No thanks.

[njvack]

fr: OKLOB FORM

[Rast]

Treeform UC is 12 base damage at 1.0 base delay with a +10 STR bonus.

Damn.

In other words, always go unarmed during treeform? By the time my weapon and skills are better than that, I'm going to have better defenses in my normal form.