Getting over the hump.


Ask fellow adventurers how to stay alive in the deep, dark, dangerous dungeon below, or share your own accumulated wisdom.

Dungeon Dilettante

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Joined: Wednesday, 14th November 2018, 18:54

Post Wednesday, 14th November 2018, 19:23

Getting over the hump.

I've been crawling on and off for about six months now, and unless I'm feeling distracted and lose concentration I can generally get down to D:12, Lair: 1-5 and Orc unless something really nasty turns up (Killer Bees on Level 2 before you've found any decent armour or identified any potions just ain't right!).
The best I've done though is D:14, Lair:6, Orc:2 and Snake:1 before falling on Snake:2. I did this as MiFi of Nemelex Xobeh – I'm in love with Nem, who suits my style, although I'm normally to be found grinding away as MiBe of Trog like the good books says, blundering my way past all comers except Josephine, some of the hairier creatures of the lower levels and once, ignominiously, to a kobold with a blowpipe on D:1. I have had a go as SpEn, though to be honest I didn't persist and the best I did was D:4 without finding a god.

I do seem to be on a plateau. I never seem able to find any decent poison resistance before delving into the Snake Pit for example. When the side-chamber in the Lair is the volcano I only ever seem to have got cold resistance, and when it's an ice cave I only have fire protection. And I can't seem to get past that plateau. Is this just bad luck or am I missing something? I haven't got a single rune yet, never mind a win. Is this normal progress or am I being slow – I'm not much of a gamer to be honest but I find Dungeon Crawl very engaging and addictive as well as frustration.

Any bright ideas I could adopt to make further progress?

Ziggurat Zagger

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Joined: Sunday, 5th May 2013, 08:25

Post Wednesday, 14th November 2018, 20:42

Re: Getting over the hump.

You don't need any resistances until Zot.

Tartarus Sorceror

Posts: 1739

Joined: Tuesday, 13th March 2012, 02:48

Post Wednesday, 14th November 2018, 21:09

Re: Getting over the hump.

Resistances are important before Zot, but that's not why you are dying.

Post the morgue of your snake:2 death and we'll tell you what you did wrong. Most likely it was fighting too many monsters at once and not using your consumables.

For this message the author Rast has received thanks:
nago

Crypt Cleanser

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Joined: Friday, 6th January 2012, 12:30

Post Wednesday, 14th November 2018, 21:16

Re: Getting over the hump.

There are two Lair branches per game and one of them will be poison themed (Snake and Spider) while the other will be water themed (Swamp and Shoals) and you can visit the one easier for your character first. You can also do Dungeon until D:15 before entering a Lair branch; D floors are generally less cramped and more "relaxed" than the Lair branches.

My most valuable advice is to let monsters approach you (hit the wait key, . or num5 or whatever), rather than you approaching them. Maybe move a few steps away from unexplored areas before fighting to not attract other monsters with noise. This makes a big difference. Use stairs to separate groups of monsters letting 1 or 2 follow you up. Use different stairs when going back down and keep separating monsters as necessary.

Dungeon Dilettante

Posts: 3

Joined: Wednesday, 14th November 2018, 18:54

Post Thursday, 15th November 2018, 12:55

Re: Getting over the hump.

OK here's the morgue file from the time I reached Snake:2. I lied about being a MiFi of Nem, I was a MiBe of Trog.

Looking forward to seeing the analysis.

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21.1 (tiles) character file.

114007 Spyridon the Severer (level 16, 0/149 HPs)
             Began as a Minotaur Berserker on May 25, 2018.
             Was a High Priest of Trog.
             Succumbed to a black mamba's poison
             ... on level 2 of the Snake Pit.
             The game lasted 04:13:25 (30315 turns).

Spyridon the Severer (Minotaur Berserker)          Turns: 30315, Time: 04:13:25

Health: 0/149      AC: 28    Str: 25    XL:     16   Next: 15%
Magic:  14/17      EV: 11    Int:  6    God:    Trog [*****.]
Gold:   2014       SH:  3    Dex: 19    Spells: 15/15 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis +   a - +7 battleaxe (protect)
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   (shield currently unavailable)
rNeg     . . .     Faith    .   M - +0 plate armour {rPois}
rPois    +         Spirit   .   G - +3 crown of Dyrovepreva {rElec Int+2 SInv}
rElec    +         Reflect  +   F - +2 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   B - +1 pair of gloves
MR       ++...                  y - +1 pair of boots
Stlth    ..........             P - +3 amulet of reflection
HPRegen  0.34/turn              D - ring "Bagereal" {rElec Str+2 Dex+3 Stlth+}
MPRegen  0.15/turn              g - ring of protection from magic

@: lethally poisoned (0 -> -28), berserk cooldown, slowed, very slow
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, poison resistance
a: Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Burn Spellbooks, Renounce Religion


You were on level 2 of the Snake Pit.
You worshipped Trog.
Trog was extremely pleased with you.
You were not hungry.

You visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and saw 25 of its levels.

You collected 2249 gold pieces.
You spent 235 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +7 battleaxe of protection (weapon)
 b - a +1 spear of freezing
Missiles
 u - 11 tomahawks (quivered)
 A - 7 silver javelins
 C - 6 tomahawks of returning
 L - 12 javelins of returning
 N - 8 steel javelins
 S - 6 steel tomahawks
 V - 3 poisoned javelins
Armour
 y - a +1 pair of boots (worn)
 B - a +1 pair of gloves (worn)
 F - a +2 cloak (worn)
 G - the +3 crown of Dyrovepreva (worn) {rElec Int+2 SInv}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It lets you see invisible.
 M - a +0 plate armour of poison resistance (worn)
Jewellery
 g - a ring of protection from magic (right hand)
 D - the ring "Bagereal" (left hand) {rElec Str+2 Dex+3 Stlth+}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of stealth]
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 P - a +3 amulet of reflection (around neck)
Wands
 c - a wand of enslavement (28)
 e - a wand of digging (12)
 h - a wand of paralysis (24)
 x - a wand of flame (27)
 E - a wand of random effects (38)
 I - a wand of disintegration (33)
 Y - a wand of iceblast (16)
Scrolls
 i - 3 scrolls of blinking
 k - 5 scrolls of identify
 l - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 n - 5 scrolls of immolation
 o - 4 scrolls of fear
 r - 16 scrolls of remove curse
 z - 2 scrolls of fog
 J - a scroll of torment
 O - 12 scrolls of teleportation
 X - 2 scrolls of holy word
Potions
 d - 8 potions of mutation
 m - 4 potions of magic
 p - 3 potions of heal wounds
 q - 2 potions of agility
 s - a potion of berserk rage
 v - 4 potions of lignification
 H - 6 potions of curing
 K - 2 potions of haste
 W - 2 potions of resistance
Books
 Q - Qattu's Papyrus of Assistive Contamination
   (You found it on level 15 of the Dungeon)   
   
    Spells                           Type                      Level
    a - Venom Bolt                   Conjuration/Poison            5
    b - Iskenderun's Battlesphere    Conjuration/Charms            5
    c - Deflect Missiles             Charms/Air                    6
   
   
   Trog disapproves of the use of such an item.
Comestibles
 f - 16 rations


   Skills:
 + Level 15.3 Fighting
 + Level 20.2(20.3) Axes
 + Level 4.2(14.2) Polearms
 + Level 12.2 Throwing
 + Level 14.5 Armour
 + Level 4.6 Dodging
 + Level 4.4 Stealth
 + Level 3.6 Evocations


You had 15 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (0/1) D:6            Lair (6/6) D:11
  Swamp (0/4) Lair:4        Snake (2/4) Lair:3        Slime (0/5) Lair:6
    Orc (2/2) D:10            Elf (0/3) Orc:2        Vaults (0/5) D:13
 Depths (0/5) D:15       

Altars:
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Makhleb
Okawaru
Ru
Trog
Yredelemnul
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:8 (   Orc:2 %(=!


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.
Your system is resistant to poisons. (rPois)


Message History

Found a ration, a scroll of torment and a scroll of teleportation.
A black mamba comes into view.
A black mamba comes into view.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel sick.
The black mamba hisses angrily.
The black mamba bites you but does no damage.
The black mamba misses you. You block the black mamba's attack.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel sick. The black mamba closely misses you. You block the black mamba's attack. The black mamba closely misses you. You furiously retaliate!
You headbutt the black mamba!
The black mamba bites you but does no damage.
A black mamba comes into view.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel sick. The black mamba closely misses you. The black mamba misses you. The black mamba closely misses you. You furiously retaliate! You headbutt the black mamba.
The black mamba bites you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You are more poisoned.
The black mamba poisons you!
You die...

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You could see a naga ritualist and 5 black mambas.

Vanquished Creatures
  A golden dragon (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  Gastronok (Lair:1)
  A nagaraja (Snake:1)
  An orc warlord (Orc:2)
  A minotaur (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  The ghost of Spyridon the Cleaver, a journeyman MiBe of Trog (D:10)
  The ghost of Spyridon the Carver, a journeyman MiFi of Gozag (Lair:1)
  3 naga warriors (Snake:1)
  A rakshasa (D:15)
  A catoblepas (Lair:6)
  2 centaur warriors
  6 hydras
  3 anacondas
  2 death yaks (Lair:6)
  Erica (D:8)
  An ogre mage (D:13)
  14 two-headed ogres
  2 naga sharpshooters (Snake:1)
  A shock serpent (Snake:1)
  A deep troll shaman (Lair:6)
  Sonja (Lair:3)
  3 orc high priests (Orc:2)
  Urug (Lair:3)
  Nergalle (D:11)
  A skeletal warrior (D:13)
  5 unseen horrors
  A naga ritualist (Snake:2)
  Pikel (D:8)
  The ghost of Spyridon the Chopper, a novice MiFi of Yredelemnul (D:7)
  A lindwurm (Lair:6)
  7 orc knights
  6 orc sorcerers
  A deep elf mage (D:13)
  2 manticores
  11 ugly things
  5 salamanders
  2 cyclopes (D:11)
  5 mana vipers
  5 elephants (Lair:6)
  A guardian serpent (Snake:1)
  6 black mambas
  A centaur zombie (D:9)
  Joseph (D:15)
  2 gargoyles
  7 spiny frogs
  Psyche (D:8)
  5 naga magi
  7 komodo dragons
  2 freezing wraiths
  A rime drake (Lair:5)
  A yaktaur (D:15)
  6 trolls
  3 meliai (Lair:5)
  3 polar bears (Lair:6)
  Grinder (D:3)
  A queen bee (Lair:5)
  5 slime creatures
  12 hippogriffs
  20 blink frogs
  A wyvern (D:12)
  A shadow (D:12)
  35 yaks
  A yak (shapeshifter) (D:14)
  2 wraiths
  2 hungry ghosts
  2 basilisks
  2 wargs
  A swamp worm (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  A soldier ant (D:15)
  2 acid dragons (D:11)
  17 nagas
  14 water moccasins
  7 porcupines
  16 orc warriors
  5 sky beasts
  2 slaves (D:8)
  A black bear (Lair:6)
  2 eyes of draining (D:13)
  An ice beast (D:13)
  A phantom (D:5)
  2 necrophages
  15 ogres
  22 wolves
  4 boggarts (D:15)
  4 centaurs
  9 crocodiles
  3 big kobolds (D:13)
  12 bullfrogs
  A water moccasin zombie (D:7)
  6 scorpions
  A wyvern skeleton (D:13)
  A water moccasin skeleton (D:4)
  32 killer bees
  17 wights
  3 electric eels (D:10)
  5 howler monkeys
  11 crimson imps
  2 bullfrog zombies
  Crazy Yiuf (D:5)
  5 jellies
  27 orc wizards
  10 orc priests
  6 hounds
  8 centaur skeletons
  5 bullfrog skeletons
  Ijyb (D:3)
  7 iguanas
  14 worker ants
  3 hound skeletons
  A worker ant zombie (D:11)
  A howler monkey zombie (D:6)
  Robin (D:3)
  15 adders
  3 shadow imps
  An adder skeleton (D:5)
  3 worms (D:2)
  A dart slug (D:1)
  4 leopard geckos
  84 orcs
  A ball python (D:1)
  6 bats
  9 giant cockroaches
  14 hobgoblins
  5 jackals (D:5)
  17 kobolds
  5 quokkas
  2 frilled lizards
  15 goblins
  A jackal skeleton (D:4)
  A leopard gecko skeleton (D:4)
  6 rats
  4 fungi
  3 plants
747 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  The ghost of Spyridon the Severer, a journeyman MiBe of Trog (Orc:2)
  An ogre mage (D:15)
  A naga warrior (Snake:1)
  2 anacondas
  3 death yaks (Lair:6)
  2 naga sharpshooters (Snake:1)
  A salamander mystic (Snake:2)
  An orc knight (Orc:2)
  A salamander (Snake:1)
  3 ugly things (D:15)
  2 guardian serpents (Snake:1)
  2 black mambas
  A gargoyle (D:15)
  A kobold demonologist (D:13)
  A troll (D:15)
  3 yaks (D:12)
  8 orc warriors
  2 ogres (Orc:2)
  2 big kobolds (D:13)
  3 howler monkeys (D:12)
  5 orc priests
  A jelly (D:15)
  5 orc wizards
  2 worker ants (D:12)
  An adder (D:12)
  18 orcs
73 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  An orc priest (Orc:2)
  An orc (D:12)
  2 fungi
  5 plants (Lair:6)
9 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 829 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Spyridon the Minotaur Berserker began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/0
   212 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Axes
   212 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 25/27 MP: 1/1
  1039 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 33/33 MP: 2/2
  1151 | D:2      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  1161 | D:2      | Reached ** piety under Trog
  1252 | D:2      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  1917 | D:2      | You fall through a shaft!
  1928 | D:3      | Noticed Robin
  1941 | D:3      | Killed Robin
  1941 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 40/40 MP: 3/3
  2082 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Axes
  2337 | D:3      | Reached *** piety under Trog
  2398 | D:3      | Noticed a sky beast
  2417 | D:3      | Killed a sky beast
  2417 | D:3      | Reached skill level 6 in Axes
  2417 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 29/47 MP: 4/4
  2844 | D:3      | Noticed Grinder
  2848 | D:3      | Killed Grinder
  2848 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  2848 | D:3      | Reached skill level 7 in Axes
  2848 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 56/56 MP: 5/5
  3053 | D:3      | Noticed Ijyb
  3071 | D:3      | Killed Ijyb
  3183 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 55/61 MP: 6/6
  3250 | D:4      | Reached skill level 8 in Axes
  3577 | D:4      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  3601 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  3700 | D:4      | Reached **** piety under Trog
  4198 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4241 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 50/70 MP: 7/7
  4329 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing
  4376 | D:5      | Reached skill level 9 in Axes
  4735 | D:5      | Found a runed door.
  5286 | D:5      | Got a vibrating jade ring
  5287 | D:5      | Identified the ring "Bagereal" {rElec Str+2 Dex+3 Stlth+} (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)
  5471 | D:5      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  5472 | D:5      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  5583 | D:5      | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  5585 | D:5      | Killed Crazy Yiuf
  5643 | D:6      | Found the +3 crown of Dyrovepreva {rElec Int+2 SInv}
  5733 | D:6      | Reached skill level 10 in Axes
  6057 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 71/78 MP: 8/8
  6169 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  7038 | D:7      | Noticed Spyridon's ghost (novice MiFi)
  7097 | D:7      | Killed Spyridon's ghost
  7097 | D:7      | Reached ***** piety under Trog
  7097 | D:7      | Reached skill level 11 in Axes
  7326 | D:7      | Received a gift from Trog
  8130 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 83/90 MP: 9/9
  8205 | D:8      | Noticed Erica
  8224 | D:8      | Killed Erica
  8224 | D:8      | Reached skill level 12 in Axes
  8224 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth
  8483 | D:8      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  8524 | D:8      | Noticed Psyche
  8541 | D:8      | Killed Psyche
  8673 | D:8      | Found Atih's Weapon Shoppe.
  8706 | D:8      | Noticed Pikel
  8717 | D:8      | Killed Pikel
  9019 | D:9      | Received a gift from Trog
  9109 | D:9      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  9139 | D:9      | Killed a two-headed ogre
  9139 | D:9      | Reached skill level 13 in Axes
  9139 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
  9151 | D:9      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  9160 | D:9      | Killed a two-headed ogre
  9373 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 97/97 MP: 11/11
  9494 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing
  9738 | D:9      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  9836 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  9852 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 10130 | D:10     | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
 10142 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 10154 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 10154 | D:10     | Reached skill level 14 in Axes
 10170 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 11004 | D:11     | Noticed Nergalle
 11078 | D:11     | Received a gift from Trog
 11094 | D:11     | Killed Nergalle
 11176 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 11249 | D:11     | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 11257 | D:11     | Received a gift from Trog
 11264 | D:11     | Noticed a four-headed hydra
 11279 | D:11     | Killed a four-headed hydra
 11279 | D:11     | Reached skill level 1 in Polearms
 12233 | D:11     | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
 12377 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 12561 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 15 in Axes
 12835 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 108/108 MP: 4/12
 13083 | Lair:1   | Noticed Gastronok
 13097 | Lair:1   | Killed Gastronok
 13097 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Trog
 13193 | Lair:1   | Noticed Spyridon's ghost (journeyman MiFi)
 13238 | Lair:1   | Killed Spyridon's ghost
 13880 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 16 in Axes
 14320 | Lair:3   | Noticed Sonja
 14325 | Lair:3   | Killed Sonja
 14965 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 15075 | Lair:3   | Noticed Urug
 15091 | Lair:3   | Killed Urug
 15549 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 16132 | Lair:4   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 16145 | Lair:4   | Killed an eight-headed hydra
 16524 | Lair:5   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 100/117 MP: 4/13
 16527 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Trog
 16837 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 17 in Axes
 17190 | Lair:5   | Found the +7 great mace "Firestarter" {inner flame, rF++}
 18044 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 18409 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Trog
 18775 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 19336 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 18 in Axes
 19861 | D:12     | Received a gift from Trog
 19872 | D:12     | Reached XP level 14. HP: 114/129 MP: 14/14
 20632 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 20756 | Orc:1    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 20977 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 20991 | Orc:2    | Noticed Spyridon's ghost (journeyman MiBe)
 21002 | Orc:2    | Killed Spyridon's ghost
 21014 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 21191 | Orc:2    | Noticed an orc warlord
 21545 | Orc:2    | Killed an orc warlord
 21731 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 21745 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 22683 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 22730 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 22757 | Orc:2    | Found Xeaxtiy's Jewellery Shoppe.
 22757 | Orc:2    | Found Dituqury's Distillery.
 22760 | Orc:2    | Gained mutation: Your system is resistant to poisons. (rPois) [a neqoxec]
 23199 | Orc:2    | Found Tuapp's Food Shoppe.
 23199 | Orc:2    | Found Ciphea's Weapon Boutique.
 23207 | Orc:2    | Bought a +3 amulet of reflection for 235 gold pieces
 23539 | D:13     | Reached skill level 19 in Axes
 23571 | D:13     | Received a gift from Trog
 23819 | D:13     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 24097 | D:13     | Reached skill level 10 in Throwing
 24106 | D:13     | Received a gift from Trog
 25299 | D:14     | Received a gift from Trog
 25412 | D:14     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 138/138 MP: 16/16
 25602 | D:14     | Received a gift from Trog
 25998 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 26794 | D:15     | Identified Qattu's Papyrus of Assistive Contamination
 26826 | D:15     | Noticed Joseph
 26849 | D:15     | Killed Joseph
 27578 | D:15     | Noticed a fire giant
 27581 | D:15     | Noticed a quicksilver dragon
 27581 | D:15     | a fire giant changed into a quicksilver dragon
 27582 | D:15     | a quicksilver dragon changed into an alligator snapping turtle
 27596 | D:15     | Noticed an azure jelly
 27596 | D:15     | a dire elephant changed into an azure jelly
 27597 | D:15     | Noticed a frost giant
 27597 | D:15     | an azure jelly changed into a frost giant
 27599 | D:15     | Noticed a quicksilver dragon
 27599 | D:15     | a frost giant changed into a quicksilver dragon
 27603 | D:15     | Noticed an azure jelly
 27603 | D:15     | a quicksilver dragon changed into an azure jelly
 27608 | D:15     | an azure jelly changed into a stone giant
 27611 | D:15     | Noticed a golden dragon
 27611 | D:15     | a stone giant changed into a golden dragon
 27622 | D:15     | Killed a golden dragon
 28044 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 28332 | D:10     | Noticed Spyridon's ghost (journeyman MiBe)
 28349 | D:10     | Killed Spyridon's ghost
 28530 | Snake:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit
 28540 | Snake:1  | Received a gift from Trog
 29045 | Snake:1  | Reached skill level 20 in Axes
 29123 | Snake:1  | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
 29535 | Snake:1  | Noticed a nagaraja
 29543 | Snake:1  | Killed a nagaraja
 29696 | Snake:1  | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
 29914 | Snake:2  | Reached XP level 16. HP: 149/149 MP: 17/17
 30312 | Snake:2  | HP: 6/149 [poisoned by a nagaraja (splash of poison)]
 30315 | Snake:2  | Succumbed to a black mamba's poison

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 |
---------------+-------------------------------------------------+-----
Axes           |  4        6  7     8 10 11 13 15 16 18 19 20    | 20.2
Fighting       |     4        5        6  8  9 10 11 13 14 15    | 15.3
Armour         |        3     4     5  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14    | 14.5
Dodging        |              3              4                   |  4.6
Throwing       |                       2  4     5  7  9 10 11 12 | 12.2
Stealth        |                             1  2     3     4    |  4.4
Evocations     |                             1     2        3    |  3.6
Polearms       |                                1     2  3  4    |  4.2

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Hand axe          |    88 |    85 |       |       |       |       ||   173
       Headbutt          |    11 |    18 |    68 |   109 |   202 |     5 ||   413
       War axe           |       |    12 |   276 |   227 |       |       ||   515
       Spear             |       |       |     1 |    16 |    51 |       ||    68
       Battleaxe         |       |       |       |   209 |   596 |    35 ||   840
       Bardiche          |       |       |       |       |     6 |       ||     6
 Fire: Blowgun           |       |       |       |    10 |     3 |       ||    13
Throw: Javelin           |     3 |     4 |    12 |     5 |   207 |     3 ||   234
       Tomahawk          |       |       |    15 |    97 |   137 |    14 ||   263
       Stone             |       |       |       |     3 |       |       ||     3
Invok: Berserk           |     1 |     1 |     6 |    10 |    25 |     1 ||    44
       Brothers in Arms  |       |       |       |     4 |    16 |     1 ||    21
       Burn Spellbooks   |       |       |       |     4 |     2 |       ||     6
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |    16 |    37 |       ||    53
  Use: Scroll            |     3 |     4 |    17 |    11 |    10 |     1 ||    46
       Potion            |       |       |       |     3 |     5 |       ||     8
 Stab: Paralysed         |       |       |       |     7 |     3 |       ||    10
       Petrified         |       |       |       |       |     4 |       ||     4
       Distracted        |       |       |       |       |     3 |       ||     3
  Eat: Ration            |     1 |     2 |     7 |    11 |    22 |       ||    43
Armor: Scale mail        |    18 |       |       |       |       |       ||    18
       Animal skin       |     2 |       |       |       |       |       ||     2
       Chain mail        |    33 |    61 |   119 |    76 |       |       ||   289
       Plate armour      |       |       |       |   187 |   513 |    50 ||   750
Dodge: Dodged            |    44 |    35 |   117 |   193 |   339 |    44 ||   772
Block: Other             |       |       |       |       |    29 |     7 ||    36
       Reflection        |       |       |       |       |     4 |       ||     4
Last edited by angharad_the_haggard on Thursday, 15th November 2018, 13:45, edited 1 time in total.

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Post Thursday, 15th November 2018, 13:25

Re: Getting over the hump.

From my perspective (And I'm no expert)

You could see 5 black mamba's and a Naga ritualist. Thats a lot of monsters. Use Javelins or stones to attract the attention of monsters in smaller groups from the edge of your LOS. Once it's noticed you - retreat back towards an upward staircase 5-8 tiles at least, and ideally around a corner. This ensures you don't pull more aggro than you can handle - monsters will often shout when they see you to alert other monsters in the area. If you move away from that area and out of view, you won't have to deal with the reinforcements they called.

Anything past that is just general advice to be honest. 5 black mambas is a lot to deal with, and it looks like you just finished berserking so were negatively buffed anyway. Don't berserk unless you are sure you can kill everything before it ends.

You did however have 5 potions of curing that could have stopped the poison. You also had scrolls of blinking. You may have been able to blink a few squares away...maybe around a corner. Closer to a staircase. Quaff curing and try and get off the level (Although black mambas are faster than you so probably would have caught you eventually)

You also had 4 scrolls of fear. Reading one of these could have caused all monsters to become scared of you and run away. Again, quaff curing, and run for the stairs. Or read a scroll of teleportation and hope you don't end up somewhere worse (Although I have read teleportation once in a panic and ended up on the square next to the one i read the scroll on!)

Finally you had potions of haste. If it was me, I probably would have read scroll of fear, if it worked, quaff curing, haste(if you were more than 6-7 squares from the staircase, although I'm not sure how/if haste even works after berserk), and head for the stairs. If it didn't work (Some monsters resist) then read blink to get as far away as you can, quaff curing, then haste if needed (As above) and retreat back up.

Aggro management is a massive part of crawl. I got my first win with a MiBe and its very easy to get complacent with just fighting everything all at the same time because they are very strong. But every now and then that tactic fails (As you are noticing!) I think at XL16 you were ok attempting snake:2 - you just made other mistakes.

Learning to manage your aggro and where and when to fight will massively help you with all races. I don't think theres another combo in the game you can be quite so gung ho with as you can an MiBe, so it'd be a good habit to practice being a bit more careful. Happy to jump on a server with you and show you what I mean with a more frail race :)

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Post Thursday, 15th November 2018, 13:29

Re: Getting over the hump.

p.s put your morgue files in code tags...

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.22.1-2-g9c5b331 (webtiles) character file.

delarado the Spry (Deep Elf Fire Elementalist)     Turns: 47896, Time: 05:09:48

Health: 102/102    AC: 18    Str:  8    XL:     17   Next: 50%
Magic:  37/37      EV: 24    Int: 27    God:    Vehumet [*****.]
Gold:   1696       SH:  7    Dex: 16    Spells: 11/44 levels left

rFire    + . .     SeeInvis .   E - staff of fire
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   q - +2 buckler {reflect}
rNeg     . . .     Faith    .   Y - +2 robe {Archmagi}
rPois    +         Spirit   .   M - +2 hat {MR+}
rElec    .         Reflect  +   A - +2 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   l - +0 pair of gloves
MR       +++..                  L - +2 pair of boots {Fly}
Stlth    ++........             N - amulet "Aqeuric" {Acrobat MR+ Str+3}
HPRegen  0.27/turn              y - +5 ring of protection
MPRegen  0.25/turn              K - ring of poison resistance

@: no status effects
A: no striking features
}: 1/15 runes: decaying
a: Renounce Religion, Evoke Flight


You are on level 1 of the Snake Pit.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 6 branches of the dungeon, and seen 30 of its levels.
You have also visited: Sewer.

You have collected 2518 gold pieces.
You have spent 822 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 H - the +2 mace of Cemiecinir {protect, *Contam +Blink rElec rF+}
   (You found it on level 1 of the Snake Pit)   
   
   It protects the one who uses it against injury (+AC on strike).
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It lets you blink.
   It causes magical contamination when unequipped.
Armour
 l - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
 q - a +2 buckler of reflection (worn)
 A - a +2 cloak (worn)
 L - a +2 pair of boots of flying (worn)
 M - a +2 hat of magic resistance (worn)
 Y - a +2 robe of the Archmagi (worn)
Magical Staves
 E - an uncursed staff of fire (weapon)
 P - an uncursed staff of wizardry
Jewellery
 b - a ring of ice
 f - an uncursed ring of positive energy
 h - an uncursed ring of see invisible
 y - a +5 ring of protection (left hand)
 z - an uncursed ring of resist corrosion
 K - a ring of poison resistance (right hand)
 N - the amulet "Aqeuric" (around neck) {Acrobat MR+ Str+3}
   (You acquired it on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [amulet of the acrobat]
   
   It helps you evade while moving and waiting.
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 R - the ring "Qurrom" {rF+ Int+4}
   (You acquired it on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of intelligence]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It protects you from fire.
 S - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 W - the ring "Xefiwaoc" {MR+ Str+4 Dex+4}
   (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Wands
 a - a wand of scattershot (5)
 e - a wand of digging (11)
 j - a wand of iceblast (16)
 B - a wand of flame (65)
 C - a wand of polymorph (65)
 F - a wand of acid (38)
 O - a wand of disintegration (10)
 Q - a wand of enslavement (31)
 V - a wand of paralysis (43)
Scrolls
 m - 3 scrolls of fear
 o - 4 scrolls of teleportation
 p - 3 scrolls of amnesia
 t - 4 scrolls of holy word
 w - 3 scrolls of fog
 x - 19 scrolls of remove curse
 G - 5 scrolls of magic mapping
 J - 4 scrolls of identify
 T - a scroll of summoning
 U - 3 scrolls of enchant weapon
 X - a scroll of torment
Potions
 d - 5 potions of haste
 g - 2 potions of invisibility
 i - a potion of cancellation
 k - 6 potions of might
 n - 2 potions of agility
 r - 14 potions of curing
 s - 6 potions of flight
 u - 5 potions of magic
 D - 6 potions of brilliance
 I - 4 potions of heal wounds
Miscellaneous
 v - a crystal ball of energy
Comestibles
 c - 12 rations


   Skills:
 + Level 10.2 Fighting
 + Level 9.0 Staves
 + Level 15.8 Dodging
 - Level 2.4 Stealth
 - Level 4.0 Shields
 - Level 14.4 Spellcasting
 - Level 13.3 Conjurations
 - Level 12.0 Hexes
 + Level 4.4 Necromancy
 - Level 14.0 Fire Magic
 - Level 3.0 Poison Magic
 + Level 10.6 Evocations


You have 11 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Flame Tongue          Conj/Fire      #####        0%          1    None
b - Magic Dart            Conj           ####         0%          1    None
c - Sticky Flame          Conj/Fire      ########     1%          4    None
d - Fireball              Conj/Fire      ########..   1%          5    #......
e - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      ########     1%          3    None
f - Mephitic Cloud        Conj/Pois/Air  ######..     1%          3    None
g - Cause Fear            Hex            #######...   1%          4    None
h - Ignite Poison         Fire/Tmut/Pois #######.     1%          3    None
i - Darkness              Hex            #######...   3%          6    ####...
j - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      #####.....   3%          3    None

Your spell library contains the following spells:

 Spells                   Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
 Iron Shot                Conj/Erth      ######....   7%          6    ####...
 Searing Ray              Conj           ######       0%          2    None
 Throw Flame              Conj/Fire      ######       0%          2    None
 Corona                   Hex            #######      1%          1    None
 Sandblast                Erth           ####..       1%          1    None
 Ensorcelled Hibernation  Hex/Ice        ######       1%          2    None
 Slow                     Hex            #######.     1%          2    None
 Dazzling Spray           Conj/Hex       ######       1%          3    None
 Inner Flame              Hex/Fire       ########     1%          3    None
 Portal Projectile        Hex/Tloc       ######       1%          3    None
 Spectral Weapon          Hex/Chrm       ######..     1%          3    None
 Stone Arrow              Conj/Erth      ######       1%          3    None
 Summon Guardian Golem    Hex/Summ       ######..     1%          3    None
 Force Lance              Conj/Tloc      ######..     1%          4    None
 Fulminant Prism          Conj/Hex       #######...   1%          4    None
 Iskenderun's Mystic Bla  Conj           #######.     1%          4    None
 Infusion                 Chrm           ####         2%          1    None
 Summon Small Mammal      Summ           ####         2%          1    None
 Leda's Liquefaction      Hex/Erth       ######....   2%          4    None
 Blink                    Tloc           N/A          4%          2    None
 Call Imp                 Summ           ####....     4%          2    None
 Passwall                 Tmut/Erth      ####....     4%          2    None
 Shroud of Golubria       Chrm/Tloc      ####......   4%          2    None
 Song of Slaying          Chrm           ####....     4%          2    None
 Silence                  Hex/Air        ######....   6%          5    #......
 Conjure Ball Lightning   Conj/Air       ######....   7%          6    ####...
 Call Canine Familiar     Summ           ####....     9%          3    None
 Lee's Rapid Deconstruct  Erth           ####......   19%         5    #......
 Petrify                  Tmut/Erth      ####....     26%         4    None
 Summon Ice Beast         Ice/Summ       ####....     26%         4    None
 Summon Lightning Spire   Summ/Air       ####....     26%         4    None
 Borgnjor's Vile Clutch   Necr/Erth      #####.....   30%         5    #......
 Deflect Missiles         Chrm/Air       ####......   99%         6    ####...
 Shadow Creatures         Summ           N/A          99%         6    ####...
 Tornado                  Air            ####......   100%        9    #######


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:6            Lair (6/6) D:10
  Swamp (4/4) Lair:3        Snake (2/4) Lair:2        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:12            Elf (0/3) Orc:2        Vaults (0/5) D:13
Depths: D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:5 (?:   D:7 !   D:8 =   D:9 [   D:12 ((   Orc:1 :   Orc:2 %(((
Snake:1 =}[

Annotations:
D:3 2 runed doors, Kay's ghost, amateur DsMo
Swamp:2 exclusion: downstairs
Snake:2 Vashnia

Message History

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Welcome back, delarado the Deep Elf Fire Elementalist.
Vehumet says: Let it end in hellfire!
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Okay, then.
Search for what [? for help]? ozoc
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Welcome back, delarado the Deep Elf Fire Elementalist.
Vehumet says: Let it end in hellfire!
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Search for what [? for help]? amnesia
Cast which spell? (? or * to list)
Okay, then.
Okay, then.
There is a stone staircase leading down, spattered with blood here.
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Welcome back, delarado the Deep Elf Fire Elementalist.
Vehumet says: Let it end in hellfire!
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Okay, then.

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Vanquished Creatures
  the Lernaean hydra (Swamp:4)
  Nikola (Swamp:1)
  Rupert (Snake:1)
  Gastronok (D:10)
  Frances (D:12)
  Kirke (Snake:1)
  2 thorn hunters
  2 nagarajas (Snake:2)
  Louise (Swamp:1)
  An ettin (Orc:2)
  2 ogre magi (Orc:2)
  Erolcha (D:9)
  Fannar (Lair:3)
  27 hydras
  5 naga warriors
  2 catoblepae
  A ghost crab (Swamp:3)
  A centaur warrior (D:13)
  2 anacondas (Snake:1)
  Erica (D:10)
  9 death yaks
  10 two-headed ogres
  14 alligators
  2 tengu warriors (D:12)
  A deep troll shaman (Lair:6)
  An orc high priest (Orc:1)
  4 naga sharpshooters
  Sonja (Lair:5)
  A salamander mystic (Snake:1)
  9 spriggans
  2 deep trolls
  2 spriggan druids
  10 swamp dragons
  6 unseen horrors
  A naga ritualist (Snake:2)
  A wolf spider zombie (D:15)
  4 shambling mangroves
  6 mana vipers
  3 ugly things
  3 orc sorcerers (Orc:1)
  A deep elf mage (D:14)
  5 oklob plants
  4 cyclopes
  4 salamanders
  2 manticores
  3 centaur zombies
  14 elephants
  2 guardian serpents
  10 black mambas
  Maurice (D:10)
  A torpor snail (Lair:4)
  7 naga magi
  A gargoyle (D:13)
  2 kobold demonologists (D:13)
  20 spiny frogs
  An efreet (D:13)
  7 komodo dragons
  5 rime drakes
  9 trolls
  A polar bear (shapeshifter) (D:13)
  3 polar bears (Lair:6)
  20 hornets
  11 tyrant leeches
  Grinder (D:5)
  14 blink frogs
  19 slime creatures
  9 hippogriffs
  10 bog bodies
  11 dream sheep (Lair:5)
  A dream sheep (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  4 wraiths
  43 yaks
  4 shadows
  A vampire (D:13)
  Eustachio (D:6)
  6 wyverns
  3 basilisks
  4 hogs (Snake:1)
  20 vampire mosquitoes
  A steam dragon (D:4)
  2 hungry ghosts
  10 swamp worms
  A warg (Orc:1)
  An acid dragon (D:13)
  19 nagas
  A swamp worm (shapeshifter) (D:13)
  7 water moccasins
  24 orc warriors
  4 porcupines
  2 sky beasts
  11 swamp drakes
  3 black bears
  6 phantoms
  3 ice beasts
  A necrophage (D:13)
  24 ogres
  10 wolves
  6 centaurs
  A centaur (shapeshifter) (D:13)
  4 big kobolds
  16 crocodiles
  17 bullfrogs
  A wyvern skeleton (D:14)
  5 scorpions
  5 killer bees (D:11)
  23 wights
  An electric eel (Lair:2)
  5 howler monkeys
  5 crimson imps
  A quasit (D:8)
  6 hounds
  A bullfrog zombie (D:13)
  5 jellies
  22 orc priests
  2 bullfrog skeletons
  An iguana (D:8)
  18 orc wizards
  7 worker ants
  4 hell rats (Lair:2)
  Robin (D:2)
  10 gnolls
  16 adders
  A river rat (Sewer)
  6 shadow imps
  2 oozes
  2 adder zombies
  3 adder skeletons
  4 worms
  2 dart slugs
  4 leopard geckos
  93 orcs
  4 giant cockroaches
  13 goblins
  12 hobgoblins
  10 jackals
  A quokka (D:8)
  5 ball pythons
  5 bats
  2 frilled lizards
  21 kobolds
  A quokka zombie (D:5)
  11 rats
  A bush (Lair:5)
  3 fungi (Lair:5)
  13 plants
962 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A spriggan (Swamp:2)
  A bush (Lair:6)
  15 fungi
  7 plants
24 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 986 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | delarado the Deep Elf Fire Elementalist began the quest for
                  | the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 6/6
   449 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 5/8
  1264 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 5/9
  1358 | D:2      | Noticed Robin
  1514 | D:2      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  1851 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 24/24 MP: 5/10
  1928 | D:2      | Killed Robin
  2030 | D:2      | Learned a level 1 spell: Magic Dart
  2694 | D:2      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  2841 | D:3      | Learned a level 4 spell: Sticky Flame
  2841 | D:3      | Found a glowing drain.
  2851 | Sewer    | Entered a sewer
  2866 | Sewer    | Reached XP level 5. HP: 27/28 MP: 6/11
  3150 | Sewer    | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic
  3721 | Sewer    | Reached XP level 6. HP: 28/32 MP: 2/12
  4186 | D:3      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  4193 | D:3      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  4194 | D:3      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  4194 | D:3      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  4196 | D:3      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  4196 | D:3      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  4197 | D:3      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  4702 | D:3      | Found a large runed door.
  4702 | D:3      | Found a large runed door.
  4899 | D:3      | Noticed Kay's ghost (amateur DsMo)
  4983 | D:4      | Noticed a steam dragon
  5034 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations
  5364 | D:4      | Killed a steam dragon
  5364 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 11/36 MP: 1/13
  6280 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  6361 | D:5      | Found Yclixiust's Magic Scroll Emporium.
  6531 | D:5      | Bought a scroll of magic mapping for 35 gold pieces
  6531 | D:5      | Bought a scroll of identify for 20 gold pieces
  6531 | D:5      | Bought a scroll of fog for 20 gold pieces
  6531 | D:5      | Bought a scroll of identify for 20 gold pieces
  6576 | D:5      | Found Oqezo's Antique Weapon Shop.
  6743 | D:5      | Found Vodghoow's Antique Weapon Emporium.
  6782 | D:5      | Noticed Grinder
  7281 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 41/41 MP: 9/14
  7555 | D:6      | Noticed Eustachio
  7562 | D:6      | Killed Eustachio
  7739 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  7775 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  7978 | Temple   | Became a worshipper of Vehumet
  8266 | D:6      | Got a slimy hunting sling
  8267 | D:6      | Identified the +4 hunting sling of Qazlal's Condemnation
                  | {flame, rF+} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)
  8636 | D:6      | Learned a level 5 spell: Fireball
  9040 | D:7      | Found Icso's Distillery.
  9048 | D:7      | Bought a potion of mutation for 96 gold pieces
  9089 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 24/45 MP: 1/15
  9404 | D:7      | Reached skill level 10 in Fire Magic
  9594 | D:7      | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations
 10091 | D:7      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
 10770 | D:8      | Found Jetzumua's Jewellery Shop.
 10880 | D:8      | Reached * piety under Vehumet
 10880 | D:8      | Offered knowledge of Freeze by Vehumet.
 11274 | D:8      | Got an ebony spear
 11275 | D:8      | Identified the +7 spear "Meipyize" {holy, rElec Str+4
                  | Int-5} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)
 11352 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 50/50 MP: 17/19
 12682 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
 12799 | D:9      | Noticed Erolcha
 13042 | D:5      | Found Cagicik's Book Shop.
 13278 | D:5      | Killed Grinder
 13530 | D:9      | Found Leudgh's Antique Armour Boutique.
 13780 | D:9      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 13780 | D:9      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 13781 | D:9      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 13781 | D:9      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 13781 | D:9      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 13782 | D:9      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 13782 | D:9      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 13783 | D:9      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 13915 | D:9      | Got a transparent robe
 13926 | D:9      | Identified the +1 robe of Lies {Regen+ Str+2 Dex-2} (You
                  | found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
 14343 | D:9      | Noticed a shining eye
 14364 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 14411 | D:10     | Offered knowledge of Searing Ray by Vehumet.
 14653 | D:10     | Reached ** piety under Vehumet
 14692 | D:9      | Noticed a sea snake
 14723 | D:9      | Noticed an anaconda
 14723 | D:9      | a sea snake changed into an anaconda
 14729 | D:9      | Noticed a satyr
 14729 | D:9      | an anaconda changed into a satyr
 14737 | D:9      | Noticed an ettin
 14737 | D:9      | a satyr changed into an ettin
 15251 | D:10     | Noticed Gastronok
 15317 | D:10     | Killed Gastronok
 15803 | D:10     | Noticed Maurice
 15806 | D:10     | Killed Maurice
 15806 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 39/54 MP: 6/23
 15808 | D:10     | Got a translucent turquoise ring
 16502 | D:10     | Noticed Erica
 16506 | D:10     | Killed Erica
 16715 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 16720 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 17044 | D:11     | Offered knowledge of Throw Frost by Vehumet.
 17516 | D:11     | Identified the ring "Xefiwaoc" {MR+ Str+4 Dex+4} (You found
                  | it on level 10 of the Dungeon)
 17556 | D:11     | Noticed a brown ugly thing
 17577 | D:10     | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame
 17581 | D:10     | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud
 17586 | D:10     | Learned a level 4 spell: Cause Fear
 17655 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 1 in Hexes
 17752 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 3 in Dodging
 18003 | Lair:1   | Reached *** piety under Vehumet
 18291 | Lair:1   | Got a bloodstained leather armour
 18313 | Lair:1   | Identified the +3 leather armour "Dirrel" {*Slow +Inv rF+
                  | Dex+5} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 18452 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 4 in Dodging
 19158 | Lair:2   | Noticed a death yak
 19160 | Lair:2   | Noticed a death yak
 19160 | Lair:2   | Noticed a death yak
 19169 | Lair:2   | Noticed a death yak
 19187 | Lair:1   | Killed a death yak
 19590 | Lair:1   | Offered knowledge of Ignite Poison by Vehumet.
 19912 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 20153 | Lair:2   | Noticed a death yak
 20476 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes
 20517 | Lair:2   | Learned a level 3 spell: Ignite Poison
 20592 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 42/59 MP: 20/27
 20819 | Lair:2   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 20899 | Lair:2   | Killed a death yak
 20905 | Lair:2   | Noticed a death yak
 20909 | Lair:2   | Killed a death yak
 20909 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 6 in Dodging
 20909 | Lair:2   | Killed a death yak
 20909 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting
 21207 | Lair:2   | Reached **** piety under Vehumet
 21664 | Lair:2   | Killed a death yak
 21664 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 7 in Dodging
 21683 | Lair:2   | Killed a death yak
 21819 | Lair:2   | Offered knowledge of Iskenderun's Mystic Blast by Vehumet.
 22199 | Lair:3   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 22230 | Lair:3   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 22276 | Lair:3   | Noticed Fannar
 22279 | Lair:3   | Killed Fannar
 22279 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 8 in Dodging
 22279 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic
 22607 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 23235 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
 23877 | Lair:5   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 23932 | Lair:5   | Noticed Sonja
 23939 | Lair:5   | Killed Sonja
 24011 | Lair:5   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 53/66 MP: 21/30
 24057 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 24595 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 9 in Dodging
 25010 | Lair:5   | Reached ***** piety under Vehumet
 25013 | Lair:5   | Offered knowledge of Force Lance by Vehumet.
 25607 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 25759 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 10 in Hexes
 26196 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 26985 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 27026 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 74/78 MP: 24/33
 27313 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 11 in Dodging
 28504 | D:12     | Offered knowledge of Yara's Violent Unravelling by Vehumet.
 28924 | D:12     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 28924 | D:12     | Found Pujap's Weapon Shop.
 28953 | D:12     | Noticed Frances
 28958 | D:12     | Killed Frances
 29315 | D:12     | Found Ydan's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 29649 | D:12     | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 30052 | D:12     | Found Pujap's Weapon Shop.
 30054 | D:12     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 30437 | D:12     | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 30570 | D:12     | Found Ydan's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 30736 | D:12     | Found Pujap's Weapon Shop.
 30738 | D:12     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 31009 | D:12     | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 31236 | D:12     | Found Ydan's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 31635 | D:13     | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
 31807 | D:13     | Got a translucent ring mail
 31843 | D:13     | Identified the +5 ring mail of Zochel {Int+4} (You found it
                  | on level 13 of the Dungeon)
 31988 | D:13     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 32059 | D:13     | Offered knowledge of Lightning Bolt by Vehumet.
 33023 | D:5      | Bought a scroll of fog for 20 gold pieces
 33096 | D:7      | Bought a potion of cancellation for 96 gold pieces
 33137 | D:8      | Bought a cursed ring of attention for 67 gold pieces
 33333 | D:14     | Reached skill level 12 in Dodging
 33588 | D:14     | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 34277 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 34595 | D:15     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 84/84 MP: 26/35
 35140 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 35206 | Orc:1    | Offered knowledge of Spellforged Servitor by Vehumet.
 35598 | Orc:1    | Found Delaxtoh's Book Shoppe.
 35823 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 35827 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 1 in Staves
 35912 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 36243 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 13 in Dodging
 36243 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 36579 | Orc:2    | Found Apuc's Weapon Emporium.
 36580 | Orc:2    | Found Belel's Weapon Shoppe.
 36585 | Orc:2    | Found Ryluisi's Food Shop.
 36590 | Orc:2    | Found Kuaheun's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 36758 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 37161 | D:9      | Learned a level 6 spell: Darkness
 37169 | D:9      | Killed Erolcha
 37260 | D:9      | Identified 2 scrolls of acquirement
 37266 | D:9      | Got a twitching jade ring
 37268 | D:9      | Identified the ring "Qurrom" {rF+ Int+4} (You acquired it
                  | on level 9 of the Dungeon)
 37270 | D:9      | Got a bound jade amulet
 37272 | D:9      | Identified the amulet "Aqeuric" {Acrobat MR+ Str+3} (You
                  | acquired it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
 37426 | Swamp:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp
 37426 | Swamp:1  | Noticed Louise
 37437 | Swamp:1  | Killed Louise
 37752 | Swamp:1  | Offered knowledge of Ozocubu's Refrigeration by Vehumet.
 38462 | Swamp:1  | Noticed Nikola
 38476 | Swamp:1  | Killed Nikola
 39350 | Swamp:2  | Reached skill level 5 in Staves
 39630 | Swamp:2  | You are sucked into a shaft!
 39649 | Swamp:2  | Reached XP level 16. HP: 21/93 MP: 17/36
 39655 | Swamp:2  | HP: 3/93 [something (19)]
 40046 | Swamp:2  | Reached skill level 14 in Dodging
 40950 | Swamp:3  | Noticed a thorn hunter
 41497 | Swamp:3  | Offered knowledge of Bolt of Fire by Vehumet.
 41745 | Swamp:3  | Killed a thorn hunter
 42643 | Swamp:4  | Entered Level 4 of the Swamp
 43946 | Swamp:4  | Noticed a thorn hunter
 43946 | Swamp:4  | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
 44072 | Swamp:4  | Killed a thorn hunter
 44176 | Swamp:4  | Noticed the 27-headed Lernaean hydra
 44206 | Swamp:4  | Killed the 27-headed Lernaean hydra
 44514 | Swamp:4  | Reached XP level 17. HP: 101/101 MP: 22/37
 44608 | Swamp:4  | Got a decaying rune of Zot
 44932 | Lair:2   | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration
 44933 | Snake:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit
 44935 | Snake:1  | Offered knowledge of Iron Shot by Vehumet.
 44937 | Snake:1  | Noticed Rupert
 44944 | Snake:1  | Killed Rupert
 44944 | Snake:1  | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy
 45203 | Snake:1  | Got a scorched mace
 45204 | Snake:1  | Identified the +2 mace of Cemiecinir {protect, *Contam
                  | +Blink rElec rF+} (You found it on level 1 of the Snake
                  | Pit)
 45211 | Snake:1  | Found Ciedek's Jewellery Shop.
 45213 | Snake:1  | Found Gasa's Gadget Boutique.
 45215 | Snake:1  | Found Jifo's Antique Armour Shop.
 45247 | Snake:1  | Bought an uncursed ring of poison resistance for 300 gold
                  | pieces
 45253 | Snake:1  | Bought a silken robe for 148 gold pieces
 45253 | Snake:1  | Identified the +1 robe "Zaith" {rElec Dex+2} (You bought it
                  | in a shop on level 1 of the Snake Pit)
 45271 | Snake:1  | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations
 45682 | Snake:1  | Noticed Kirke
 45685 | Snake:1  | Killed Kirke
 46285 | Snake:2  | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 47019 | Snake:2  | Got a warped leather armour
 47020 | Snake:2  | Identified the +1 leather armour of Mutualism {Str+3 Int+3}
                  | (You found it on level 2 of the Snake Pit)
 47219 | Snake:2  | Noticed Vashnia
 47893 | Snake:1  | Upgraded the game from 0.22.1-1-ga44c0e5 to
                  | 0.22.1-2-g9c5b331

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------------+-----
Conjurations   |     2     3  4  5  7  9 10 12          13          | 13.3
Fire Magic     |     4        5  6  7  9 11 12 13          14       | 14.0
Shields        |        1                       3  4                |  4.0
Spellcasting   |                          4  7  9 11 13 14          | 14.4
Hexes          |                                5  8 11 12          | 12.0
Dodging        |                                5  8 10 12 13 15    | 15.8
Poison Magic   |                                   2  3             |  3.0
Fighting       |                                   2  5  6  8  9 10 | 10.2
Evocations     |                                         2  7  9 10 | 10.6
Staves         |                                            5  8  9 |  9.0
Necromancy     |                                                  4 |  4.4
Stealth        |                                                    |  2.4

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |     1 |    12 |    29 |       |       |       ||    42
       Staff             |       |       |       |       |   156 |    20 ||   176
 Fire: Hunting sling     |       |       |    79 |   147 |       |       ||   226
       Blowgun           |       |       |       |    17 |       |       ||    17
Throw: Stone             |    13 |    16 |     2 |       |       |       ||    31
 Cast: Flame Tongue      |    68 |    39 |    12 |    38 |     6 |       ||   163
       Magic Dart        |       |    89 |   143 |   187 |   193 |     7 ||   619
       Sticky Flame      |       |     9 |    35 |   103 |   115 |    38 ||   300
       Fireball          |       |       |     7 |    82 |   330 |   254 ||   673
       Cause Fear        |       |       |       |     4 |    11 |     3 ||    18
       Ignite Poison     |       |       |       |    16 |    24 |       ||    40
       Mephitic Cloud    |       |       |       |    12 |    35 |       ||    47
       Darkness          |       |       |       |       |     2 |     2 ||     4
 Abil: Stop Flying       |       |       |       |     1 |       |     1 ||     2
       Evoke Flight      |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |     9 |    13 |    30 ||    52
       Crystal ball of e |       |       |       |       |       |     6 ||     6
  Use: Potion            |     3 |     1 |       |     3 |     3 |     4 ||    14
       Scroll            |       |     6 |     8 |    18 |    15 |     8 ||    55
  Eat: Chunk             |     2 |     3 |     6 |    12 |    29 |     4 ||    56
       Ration            |       |     3 |     6 |    14 |    11 |     7 ||    41
Armor: Robe              |       |     7 |       |    29 |    87 |    44 ||   167
       Steam dragon scal |       |       |    41 |    42 |       |       ||    83
Dodge: Dodged            |    13 |    32 |    53 |   114 |   327 |   216 ||   755
Block: Buckler           |       |       |       |     3 |   119 |    79 ||   201
       Reflection        |       |       |       |       |       |     4 ||     4



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Post Thursday, 15th November 2018, 13:46

Re: Getting over the hump.

Ja, Obergruppenführer! :roll: :mrgreen:

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Post Thursday, 15th November 2018, 16:39

Re: Getting over the hump.

Besides what delarado said, you could have dug a kill hole

summoned some bros

used wands, especially wand of enslavement

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Post Thursday, 15th November 2018, 17:09

Re: Getting over the hump.

As a quick example, earlier on in the vaults just now I opened a door to find a room that was literally filled with high-ish level Orc's (warlords and knights etc). I'd say there were at least 12 - and they were 1 tile away. I have 100 HP And 10AC.

I cast "Cause fear" (Same as reading scroll of fear) and every single one of them ran away from me. I retreated towards the upward staircase, shouted, and hit 5. They gradually appeared at the edge of my line of sight, 2-3 at a time - and so far away they couldn't do anything to me. I blew them up with fireballs as they all wandered over to see what the commotion was about. Vehumet kept my magic up as I killed the hoardes, and when I got low, I evoked crystal ball of energy to give me more MP - knowing that if it failed (causing confusion or complete MP Drain) I would have time to retreat back to the upward stairs, go up, wait out my MP Regen, and head back down for more murdering. None of them got close enough to do a thing to me... But had I have not used that fear spell and managed my aggro, I would have easily been dead in less than 5 turns.
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Post Thursday, 15th November 2018, 19:26

Re: Getting over the hump.

delarado wrote:Finally you had potions of haste. If it was me, I probably would have read scroll of fear, if it worked, quaff curing, haste(if you were more than 6-7 squares from the staircase, although I'm not sure how/if haste even works after berserk), and head for the stairs.


Haste+Slow is a status effect, I'm pretty sure it cancels out to normal speed (but each one can expire individually so, for example, if you're slowed again you can lose the haste before you lose the slow). I'm not 100% sure about all the intricate details but I have definitely been hasted and slowed at the same time.

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