Again with weapon choice (GnSk)

Saturday, 29th September 2018, 21:24 by mattlistener

Just got a +3 Lajatang of pain off Agnes. Necromancy is at 7.7. Spectral Weapon in regular use.

I expect it's my best weapon, but for survivability it sure is a shame not to be using the +1 buckler of reflection.

Other weapons:
+5 morningstar "Axzukk" {flame, Str+2 Dex+6}, which I had been using with the reflection buckler.
+2 trident of venom (if I prefer to stand behind Ice Beasts)

Recommendations? I'm just starting Spider having cleared Lair.

(I know I'm not using Hero/Finesse enough...)

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.22.1-1-ga44c0e5 (webtiles) character file. Shargos the Thaumaturge (Gnoll Skald) Turns: 18700, Time: 03:22:47 Health: 111/111 AC: 19 Str: 13 XL: 14 Next: 68% Magic: 28/28 EV: 14 Int: 19 God: Okawaru [******] Gold: 1464 SH: 0 Dex: 17 Spells: 13/34 levels left rFire + . . SeeInvis . a - +3 lajatang (pain) rCold . . . Gourm . (shield currently unavailable) rNeg + . . Faith . F - +0 fire dragon scales rPois + Spirit . L - +1 hat {MR+} rElec . Reflect . k - +2 cloak {MR+} rCorr . Harm . (no gloves) MR +++.. E - +2 pair of boots {run} Stlth ++........ (no amulet) HPRegen 0.28/turn V - ring of Hamif {+Fly rPois rN+ Stlth-} MPRegen 0.21/turn n - ring of ice @: quick A: distributed training, fangs 1, strong nose a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion, Evoke Flight You are on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Okawaru. Okawaru is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 17 of its levels. You have also visited: Volcano. You have collected 1464 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand Weapons a - a +3 lajatang of pain (weapon) b - a +9 hunting sling o - an uncursed longbow of flaming v - the +5 morningstar "Axzukk" {flame, Str+2 Dex+6} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) It has been specially enchanted to burn those struck by it, causing extra injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly susceptible opponents. It affects your strength (+2). It affects your dexterity (+6). H - the +10 short sword "Ymito" {pierce, rElec rPois rN+++ Str-4} (You found it on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It affects your strength (-4). It insulates you from electricity. It protects you from poison. It renders you almost immune to negative energy. Y - a +2 trident of venom Missiles q - 97 sling bullets Armour k - a +2 cloak of magic resistance (worn) E - a +2 pair of boots of running (worn) F - +0 fire dragon scales (worn) L - a +1 hat of magic resistance (worn) W - a +1 buckler of reflection Jewellery j - a +2 ring of dexterity n - a ring of ice (right hand) t - an uncursed ring of protection from cold C - an uncursed ring of fire Q - an uncursed ring of see invisible V - the ring of Hamif (left hand) {+Fly rPois rN+ Stlth-} (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts) [ring of flight] It protects you from poison. It protects you from negative energy. It lets you fly. It makes you less stealthy. Wands e - a wand of flame (39) m - a wand of enslavement (26) M - a wand of disintegration (9) N - a wand of digging (16) R - a wand of polymorph (16) X - a wand of paralysis (11) Scrolls f - 4 scrolls of amnesia s - 9 scrolls of teleportation A - 4 scrolls of remove curse B - 2 scrolls of fear O - a scroll of immolation T - a scroll of magic mapping Potions g - a potion of agility h - 3 bubbling silvery potions i - 3 coppery potions l - 4 potions of heal wounds r - 7 potions of might u - 3 grey potions x - a brown potion D - 5 potions of haste G - a bubbling white potion I - a bubbling golden potion K - 3 potions of curing P - a pink potion Miscellaneous J - a sack of spiders Comestibles d - 20 rations S - a chunk of flesh Skills: + Level 10.3 Fighting + Level 9.3 Short Blades + Level 9.3 Long Blades + Level 9.3 Axes + Level 9.3 Maces & Flails + Level 10.3 Polearms + Level 9.3 Staves + Level 9.3 Slings + Level 9.3 Bows + Level 9.3 Crossbows + Level 9.3 Throwing + Level 9.6 Armour + Level 10.3 Dodging + Level 9.3 Stealth + Level 9.3 Shields + Level 9.3 Unarmed Combat + Level 10.5 Spellcasting + Level 7.7 Conjurations + Level 7.7 Hexes + Level 9.5 Charms + Level 7.7 Summonings + Level 7.7 Necromancy + Level 7.7 Translocations + Level 7.7 Transmutations + Level 7.7 Fire Magic + Level 7.7 Ice Magic + Level 7.7 Air Magic + Level 7.7 Earth Magic + Level 7.7 Poison Magic + Level 10.1 Invocations + Level 9.3 Evocations You have 13 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Infusion Chrm #### 1% 1 None c - Confuse Hex #####... 4% 3 None g - Shroud of Golubria Chrm/Tloc #####..... 1% 2 None i - Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summ ######.. 14% 4 ##..... r - Regeneration Chrm/Necr #####..... 2% 3 None s - Song of Slaying Chrm #####... 1% 2 None t - Tukima's Dance Hex #####... 4% 3 None w - Spectral Weapon Hex/Chrm #####... 2% 3 None Your spell library contains the following spells: Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger Corona Hex #####.. 1% 1 None Summon Butterflies Summ #####... 1% 1 None Ensorcelled Hibernation Hex/Ice ###### 1% 2 None Call Canine Familiar Summ #####... 4% 3 None Dazzling Spray Conj/Hex #####. 4% 3 None Summon Mana Viper Hex/Summ #####... 36% 5 #####.. Summon Hydra Summ #####..... 100% 7 ####### Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (9/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Lair (6/6) D:8 Shoals (0/4) Lair:4 Snake (1/4) Lair:2 Slime (0/5) Lair:5 Orc: D:9-12 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Hepliaklqana Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Uskayaw Vehumet Wu Jian Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Annotations: D:4 3 runed doors, Fidelius's ghost, amateur CeGl; Maelson's ghost, novice OpVM D:5 exclusion: quokka, Sigmund D:6 Natasha D:7 Harold Lair:4 2 runed doors, Josephine; shamaniam's ghost, journeyman BaIE Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations Your experience applies equally to all skills. You have very sharp teeth. Your uncanny sense of smell can sniff out nearby items. Message History You start removing your armour. You continue taking off your +0 leather armour. x4 You finish taking off your +0 leather armour. You start putting on your armour. You continue putting on your +0 fire dragon scales. x5 You finish putting on your +0 fire dragon scales. Drop what? 51/52 slots (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit) Okay, then. Unknown command. Unknown command. Drop what? 51/52 slots (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit) You drop the +3 rapier of Blind Justice {protect, rPois rF+ MR+}. You drop a ring of ice. You drop a +0 leather armour. You drop a +0 whip of freezing. Drop what? 47/52 slots (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit) You drop 6 potions of flight. As you read the scroll of enchant weapon, it crumbles to dust. Your +2 lajatang of pain glows red for a moment. 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Vanquished Creatures Kirke (Lair:4) Nessos (Lair:6) A dire elephant (Lair:6) 6 hydras A dancing weapon (Volcano) 5 death yaks 5 wizards (Volcano) 2 lindwurms (Lair:6) Pikel (D:5) A manticore (Lair:6) An oklob plant (Lair:5) 11 elephants 5 toenail golems (Volcano) 5 black mambas Joseph (D:7) 16 spiny frogs 9 rime drakes 8 komodo dragons A hornet (D:7) A polar bear (Lair:2) 15 blink frogs 6 dream sheep (Lair:5) 3 hippogriffs 4 wyverns 4 wraiths (Lair:4) A fire bat (Lair:6) 19 yaks 2 basilisks 5 hogs (Lair:4) Menkaure (D:4) Edmund (D:5) 3 nagas 12 water moccasins 7 porcupines A slave (D:5) 4 ice beasts An orc warrior (D:8) 3 phantoms A black bear (Lair:1) A necrophage (D:8) 2 sky beasts (D:7) 7 ogres 4 wolves (Lair:5) 7 centaurs A big kobold (D:8) 10 crocodiles Blork the orc (D:4) 5 bullfrogs 3 scorpions 2 howler monkeys (D:7) 2 crimson imps (D:7) A centaur zombie (D:6) 3 orc priests 4 hounds A bullfrog skeleton (D:6) A centaur skeleton (D:8) 16 jellies 11 orc wizards Natasha (twice) (D:4 D:6) 7 worker ants A killer bee zombie (D:6) A hound skeleton (D:5) A worker ant zombie (D:5) 7 adders A howler monkey skeleton (D:8) A shadow imp (D:7) 2 oozes 2 adder skeletons An adder zombie (D:7) 4 worms 4 dart slugs 3 leopard geckos 40 orcs A giant cockroach (D:8) 10 hobgoblins 15 kobolds A quokka (D:5) A ball python (D:6) 14 bats 2 goblins A leopard gecko skeleton (D:4) A leopard gecko zombie (D:5) 3 rats A fungus (Lair:6) 2 plants A spectral weapon (Lair:3) 387 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) Agnes (Lair:2) 2 hydras A catoblepas (Lair:6) 3 oklob plants (Lair:5) A manticore (Lair:6) 2 elephants (Lair:6) 2 black mambas (Lair:6) A spiny frog (Lair:6) A blink frog (Lair:5) 4 dream sheep (Lair:6) A hippogriff (Lair:6) A yak (Lair:6) 3 fire bats (Lair:6) 23 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A dancing weapon (Snake:1) 14 fungi 16 plants 10 spectral weapons A withered plant (D:4) 42 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 452 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Shargos the Gnoll Skald began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 20/20 MP: 6/6 167 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 26/26 MP: 3/7 207 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Song of Slaying 540 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 31/31 MP: 9/9 914 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 1119 | D:2 | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru. 1211 | D:2 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 1321 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations 1556 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades 1556 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Long Blades 1556 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Axes 1556 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails 1556 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Staves 1556 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Slings 1556 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Bows 1556 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Crossbows 1556 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing 1556 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth 1556 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 1556 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Unarmed Combat 1556 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 1713 | D:2 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 1715 | D:2 | Noticed an Executioner 1719 | D:2 | Noticed a hellwing 1719 | D:2 | Noticed a neqoxec 1902 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 38/38 MP: 11/11 2373 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations 2373 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Hexes 2373 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Summonings 2373 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 2373 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations 2373 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Transmutations 2373 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Fire Magic 2373 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic 2373 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic 2373 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Earth Magic 2373 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic 2396 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 43/43 MP: 12/12 2898 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 3077 | D:3 | Learned a level 2 spell: Shroud of Golubria 3240 | D:4 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag. 3252 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 3252 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 21/50 MP: 4/13 3450 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 3460 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 3527 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru 3704 | D:4 | Noticed Natasha 3716 | D:4 | Killed Natasha 3716 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 3716 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms 3716 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 4270 | D:4 | Found a runed gate. 4270 | D:4 | Found a runed gate. 4270 | D:4 | Found a runed gate. 4278 | D:4 | Noticed Maelson's ghost (novice OpVM) 4278 | D:4 | Noticed Fidelius's ghost (amateur CeGl) 4304 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 56/56 MP: 15/15 4312 | D:4 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 4810 | D:4 | Noticed Blork the orc 4836 | D:4 | Killed Blork the orc 4836 | D:4 | Reached * piety under Okawaru 4922 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4922 | D:5 | Noticed Menkaure 4941 | D:4 | Killed Menkaure 5149 | D:5 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 5171 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 63/63 MP: 16/16 5190 | D:5 | Noticed Sigmund 5313 | D:5 | Reached ** piety under Okawaru 5402 | D:5 | Learned a level 3 spell: Spectral Weapon 5447 | D:5 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 5487 | D:5 | Noticed Pikel 5560 | D:5 | Killed Pikel 5868 | D:5 | Noticed Edmund 5887 | D:5 | Killed Edmund 5887 | D:5 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 69/69 MP: 4/18 6323 | D:6 | Reached *** piety under Okawaru 6331 | D:6 | Got a jewelled morningstar 6332 | D:6 | Identified the +5 morningstar "Axzukk" {flame, Str+2 Dex+6} | (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) 6411 | D:6 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 6713 | D:6 | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration 6977 | D:6 | Noticed Natasha 6981 | D:6 | Killed Natasha 7083 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 7284 | D:6 | Noticed Natasha 7480 | D:7 | Noticed Joseph 7492 | D:7 | Killed Joseph 7492 | D:7 | Reached **** piety under Okawaru 7492 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 7609 | D:7 | Got a shimmering short sword 7713 | D:7 | Noticed a hornet 7719 | D:7 | Paralysed by a hornet for 1 turns 7722 | D:7 | Killed a hornet 7722 | D:7 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 53/77 MP: 10/20 7835 | D:7 | Noticed Harold 7972 | D:7 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 7972 | D:7 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 8086 | D:8 | You fall through a shaft! 8096 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades 8096 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Long Blades 8096 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Axes 8096 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails 8096 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Staves 8096 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Slings 8096 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Bows 8096 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Crossbows 8096 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing 8096 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 8096 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 8096 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat 8096 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations 8133 | D:8 | Noticed an elephant 8146 | D:8 | Killed an elephant 8154 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 8171 | D:8 | Reached ***** piety under Okawaru 8303 | D:9 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 8771 | D:8 | Received a gift from Okawaru 8783 | D:8 | Identified a +1 pair of boots of running (Okawaru gifted it | to you on level 8 of the Dungeon) 8868 | D:8 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 8949 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 8990 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 73/84 MP: 10/22 9018 | Lair:1 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 9031 | Lair:1 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 9065 | Lair:1 | Found a dark tunnel. 9207 | Volcano | Entered a volcano 9213 | Volcano | Noticed a wizard 9229 | Volcano | Killed a wizard 9229 | Volcano | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 9229 | Volcano | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 9229 | Volcano | Reached skill level 5 in Summonings 9229 | Volcano | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy 9229 | Volcano | Reached skill level 5 in Translocations 9229 | Volcano | Reached skill level 5 in Transmutations 9229 | Volcano | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic 9229 | Volcano | Reached skill level 5 in Ice Magic 9229 | Volcano | Reached skill level 5 in Air Magic 9229 | Volcano | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic 9229 | Volcano | Reached skill level 5 in Poison Magic 9327 | Volcano | Noticed a wizard 9334 | Volcano | Killed a wizard 9399 | Volcano | Noticed a wizard 9399 | Volcano | Noticed a wizard 9402 | Volcano | Paralysed by a wizard for 5 turns 9428 | Volcano | Killed a wizard 9439 | Volcano | Killed a wizard 9665 | Volcano | Noticed a mace of flaming 9675 | Volcano | Killed a mace of flaming 9675 | Volcano | Received a gift from Okawaru 9775 | Volcano | Noticed a wizard 9790 | Volcano | Killed a wizard 9799 | Volcano | Identified the +6 short sword of Conflict {elec, rElec} | (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon) 10031 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 93/93 MP: 24/24 10054 | Lair:1 | Reached ****** piety under Okawaru 10593 | Lair:2 | Got a fine robe 10827 | Lair:2 | Noticed a death yak 10831 | Lair:2 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 11452 | Lair:2 | Noticed a death yak 11457 | Lair:2 | Noticed a death yak 11516 | Lair:1 | Killed a death yak 11516 | Lair:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 11604 | Lair:2 | Noticed a death yak 11605 | Lair:2 | Noticed a death yak 11613 | Lair:1 | Killed a death yak 11733 | Lair:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse 11737 | Lair:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Tukima's Dance 11819 | Lair:2 | Killed a death yak 11820 | Lair:2 | Killed a death yak 11824 | Lair:2 | Killed a death yak 12584 | Lair:3 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 12944 | Lair:4 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 101/101 MP: 16/26 13447 | Lair:4 | Got a translucent jade ring 13449 | Lair:4 | Identified the ring of Hamif {+Fly rPois rN+ Stlth-} (You | found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts) 13528 | Lair:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru 13561 | Lair:4 | Found a large runed door. 13561 | Lair:4 | Found a large runed door. 13586 | Lair:4 | Found a staircase to the Shoals. 13643 | Lair:4 | Noticed Josephine 13720 | Lair:3 | Identified the +1 robe "Diavvo" {Regen+ Str-5 Int+7 Dex-5} | (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) 14040 | Lair:4 | Noticed Kirke 14056 | Lair:4 | Killed Kirke 14197 | Lair:4 | Noticed shamaniam's ghost (journeyman BaIE) 14768 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 14948 | Lair:5 | Received a gift from Okawaru 14966 | Lair:5 | Got a spiked ring mail {god gift} 14980 | Lair:5 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Ice Beast 15524 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting 15915 | Lair:5 | Identified the +3 ring mail of Okawaru's Anger {-Tele rPois | rN+ SInv} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 5 of the Lair | of Beasts) 15945 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 79/109 MP: 12/28 15981 | Lair:5 | Got an encrusted short sword 15984 | Lair:5 | Identified the +10 short sword "Ymito" {pierce, rElec rPois | rN+++ Str-4} (You found it on level 5 of the Lair of | Beasts) 16093 | Lair:6 | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts 16480 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 16480 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Polearms 16480 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 16607 | Lair:6 | Noticed Nessos 16642 | Lair:6 | Killed Nessos 16879 | Lair:6 | Received a gift from Okawaru 16882 | Lair:6 | Got a pitted rapier {god gift} 16883 | Lair:6 | Identified the +3 rapier of Blind Justice {protect, rPois | rF+ MR+} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 6 of the Lair | of Beasts) 17975 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations 18020 | Lair:6 | Noticed a dire elephant 18079 | Lair:6 | Killed a dire elephant 18093 | Lair:6 | Received a gift from Okawaru 18432 | Snake:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit 18447 | Snake:1 | Noticed Agnes 18532 | Lair:2 | Killed Agnes Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 | ---------------+-------------------------------------------+----- Spellcasting | 5 6 7 8 9 10 | 10.5 Invocations | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 | 10.1 Short Blades | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | 9.3 Long Blades | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | 9.3 Axes | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | 9.3 Maces & Flails | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | 9.3 Staves | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | 9.3 Slings | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | 9.3 Bows | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | 9.3 Crossbows | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | 9.3 Throwing | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | 9.3 Stealth | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | 9.3 Shields | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | 9.3 Unarmed Combat | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | 9.3 Evocations | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | 9.3 Conjurations | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | 7.7 Hexes | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | 7.7 Summonings | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | 7.7 Necromancy | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | 7.7 Translocations | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | 7.7 Transmutations | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | 7.7 Fire Magic | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | 7.7 Ice Magic | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | 7.7 Air Magic | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | 7.7 Earth Magic | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | 7.7 Poison Magic | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | 7.7 Armour | 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | 9.6 Fighting | 5 6 7 8 9 10 | 10.3 Polearms | 5 6 7 8 9 10 | 10.3 Dodging | 5 6 7 8 9 10 | 10.3 Charms | 6 7 8 9 | 9.5 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Spear | 156 | 74 | 5 | | || 235 Bite | 8 | 15 | 38 | 48 | 70 || 179 Trident | | 94 | 67 | | || 161 Whip | | | 84 | 38 | || 122 Punch | | | 4 | 19 | 2 || 25 Morningstar | | | 91 | 263 | 347 || 701 Dire flail | | | 6 | | || 6 Fire: Hunting sling | 1 | | 11 | 25 | 61 || 98 Cast: Infusion | 2 | 7 | 26 | 46 | 35 || 116 Shroud of Golubri | | 6 | 17 | 28 | 47 || 98 Song of Slaying | | 4 | 11 | 11 | || 26 Spectral Weapon | | | 11 | 48 | 40 || 99 Regeneration | | | 1 | 33 | 18 || 52 Confuse | | | | 3 | 38 || 41 Summon Ice Beast | | | | | 46 || 46 Tukima's Dance | | | | | 3 || 3 Invok: Heroism | | | 1 | 2 | 3 || 6 Finesse | | | | 1 | 1 || 2 Evoke: Wand | | | | | 1 || 1 Use: Scroll | 6 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 11 || 30 Potion | | | 3 | 1 | || 4 Stab: Sleeping | | 1 | 5 | 3 | 1 || 10 Distracted | | | 1 | 5 | 8 || 14 Confused | | | | 4 | 12 || 16 Eat: Chunk | 3 | 5 | 8 | 11 | 15 || 42 Ration | | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 || 6 Armor: Ring mail | 22 | 36 | 84 | 23 | || 165 Fire dragon scale | | | | 38 | 112 || 150 Robe | | | | 3 | || 3 Dodge: Dodged | 65 | 77 | 162 | 165 | 195 || 664 Block: Buckler | | | | | 107 || 107 Reflection | | | | | 3 || 3

Saturday, 29th September 2018, 21:31 by duvessa

The lajatang is a million times better than your other weapons, and will probably be much better than any weapon you find in the future too.

Sunday, 30th September 2018, 18:39 by svendre

I'd use the buckler and a combination of the other weapons depending on what you are fighting. Venom is very strong against spiders and as you noted, you can use it with meat shields. Pain won't do anything against some of the critters such as the demonic things in spider. You're a gnoll so your shield skill will keep going up no matter what, and eventually it'll be silly to use a two-hander. The types of weapons I generally prefer pain on are ones which have more difficulty piercing through heavy armour (like shortblades). Weapons which can already pierce heavy armour and do larger sums of damage can benefit more in the long run from multiplicative brands.

Ultimately, there's no such thing as the weapon which is a million times better than anything else because it depends on a number of factors. Artefacts with stats are quite nice though, especially for a gnoll which can make full use of every single point.

Sunday, 30th September 2018, 19:25 by mrbobbyg

I dunno man, I think Duvessa is right. Lajatang of pain is an especially good weapon for any character who trains necro, and with heroism, which should basically always be activated, he's already at minimum delay. Using a suboptimal brand like venom for spider is a recipe for death as well.

Sunday, 30th September 2018, 20:50 by Rast

Buckler on gnoll is a terrible idea past the early game.

Monday, 1st October 2018, 05:06 by Siegurt

Ok, so, bucklers are bad, and reflection is only helpful in portion of a portion of the attacks you block (which will be a small number to start with, because of the aforementioned bucker-sucking) and when reflection is helpful, it really isn't amazingly helpful most of the time.

I would use a non ego regular shield over a buckler of reflection, given anything close to enough shield skill.

When to use a two handed weapon over a one handed weapon with a shield is when "the additional killing power results in more lost attacks (through earlier death) over the ones you would instead block, were you using a one handed weapon and a shield"

That turns out to be annoyingly complicated to ballpark with amy accuracy, but if the shield isnt great, and the two handed weapon is a mile better than your best one handed weapon, then the choice isnt hard.

The nice thing about gnolls is there is no sunk cost, you can keep your best one handed weapon and a shield and if that is a better option when going into a pain resistant branch, you can just swap.

Monday, 1st October 2018, 16:58 by Stonar

One - Lajatang of pain's probably the best weapon you'll find this game.

Two - How often do you get to swing a lajatang around this early in the game? More than that, how often do you get to swing one around and not have to waste a bunch of XP skilling it?

Three - How often do you get to swing a fast pain weapon without going out of your way to skill up either the pain brand or the weapon?

Use the lajatang. Love the lajatang. Enchant the lajatang.

Monday, 1st October 2018, 17:42 by Rast

He's dead... http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Sharg ... 023524.txt

Died wearing a buckler and a pretty bad weapon. Also did Snake before Orc and D. Also wore a joke amulet instead of the +29 HP amulet.

Code:: a - a +2 trident of pain (weapon) <----- b - a +9 hunting sling of flaming l - a +3 lajatang of pain o - a +3 longbow of flaming v - the +5 morningstar "Axzukk" {flame, Str+2 Dex+6} H - the +10 short sword "Ymito" {pierce, rElec rPois rN+++ Str-4} Y - a +2 trident of venom

Monday, 1st October 2018, 17:53 by Sprucery

I wonder why they were wearing a ring of ice... only Ice spell was Summon Ice Beast.

Monday, 1st October 2018, 18:00 by Rast

To offset the FDA

Monday, 1st October 2018, 18:02 by Sprucery

Yes but a rC+ ring would have been the logical choice for that.

Monday, 1st October 2018, 19:44 by Siegurt

Sprucery wrote:Yes but a rC+ ring would have been the logical choice for that.

Maybe one didn't drop yet (I've had that happen myself.)

Monday, 1st October 2018, 20:19 by Sprucery

Code:: Jewellery j - a +2 ring of dexterity n - a ring of ice (right hand) t - an uncursed ring of protection from cold y - an uncursed ring of protection from cold

Monday, 1st October 2018, 20:23 by Siegurt

Sprucery wrote:
Code:
Jewellery j - a +2 ring of dexterity n - a ring of ice (right hand) t - an uncursed ring of protection from cold y - an uncursed ring of protection from cold

Maybe he pressed 'n' instead of 'y' because he's macrod his movement keys invertedly and now his brain map of his keyboard is backwards?

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