Deadliest unique per floor


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Slime Squisher

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Post Wednesday, 26th September 2018, 16:03

Deadliest unique per floor

I checked in on the "deadliest monster per floor" data from this post and found that not much has changed in 14 months. Mainly that Spark Wasps have now ceded their deadliest badge both to Emperor Scorpions on Spider:4, and to Caustic Shrikes on Depths:5, and that Orbs of Fire fell below Draconians in Zot:1-4.

So, I thought to make a listing of the deadliest uniques by floor, along with a % total of that floor's deaths they represent.

/msg sequell !Lg * recent !boring place=D:1 s=killer killer=uniq

D1 Natasha 0.4% (probably people going back to D:1 to wait out Natasha respawns)
D2 Sigmund 9.2%
D3 Grinder 6.6%
D4 Menkaure 2.6%
D5 Prince Ribbit 2.6%
D6 Pikel 1.4%
D7 Joseph 5.0%
D8 Erica 3.7%
D9 Erolcha 2.1%
D10 Snorg 6.9%
D11 Snorg 4.1%
D12 Rupert 3.9%
D13 Rupert 3.5%
D14 Agnes 3.4%
D15 Agnes 2.7%

Orc1 Snorg 2.3%
Orc2 Saint Roka 4.3%

Lair1 Gastronok 1.6%
Lair2 Urug 1.3%
Lair3 Rupert 7.3%
Lair4 Rupert 6.2%
Lair5 Rupert 4.3%
Lair6 Rupert 1.5%

Spider1 Nikola 4.1%
Spider2 Nikola 3.9%
Spider3 Nikola 2.9%
Spider4 Nikola 2.2%

Snake1 Aizul 3.4%
Snake2 Vashnia 8.3%
Snake3 Vashnia 5.8%
Snake4 Vashnia 1.9%

Shoals1 Nikola 3.2%
Shoals2 Polyphemus 10.3%
Shoals3 Polyphemus 5.6%
Shoals4 Ilsuiw 2.8%

Swamp1 Nikola 7.3%
Swamp2 Nikola 5.2%
Swamp3 Nikola 3.2%
Swamp4 the Lernaean hydra 20.2%

Slime1 Dissolution 2.1%
Slime2 Dissolution 3.2%
Slime3 Dissolution 2.9%
Slime4 The Royal Jelly 42.5% (all via its spawns being pulled upstairs)
Slime5 The Royal Jelly 62.4% (mostly via its spawns)

Elf1 Nikola 3.0%
Elf2 Nikola 1.9%
Elf3 Nikola tied with Jorgrun 0.4%

Vaults1 Nikola 1.7%
Vaults2 Mennas 4.8%
Vaults3 Mennas 5.6%
Vaults4 Mennas 4.1%
Vaults5 Jory 0.4%

Crypt1 (# of deaths too low for a "deadliest Unique" to emerge)
Crypt2 "
Crypt3 "

Tomb1 (# of deaths too low for a "deadliest Unique" to emerge)
Tomb2 "

Depths1 Sojobo 1.2%
Depths2 Sojobo 0.7%
Depths3 Boris 1.0%
Depths4 Jory 1.6%
Depths5 Mennas 1.8%

Zot1 Tiamat 1.9%
Zot2 Tiamat 2.9%
Zot3 Tiamat 3.4%
Zot4 Tiamat 1.8%
Zot5 Tiamat 0.4%
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Slime Squisher

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Post Wednesday, 26th September 2018, 16:08

Re: Deadliest unique per floor

Now what I'm interested to figure out is is a way to compare the deadliness of uniques. eg "In what % of games in which the player sees <unique>, the player is killed by them."

Is there a sequell query that would do that? Or some other comparative-deadliness measure that isn't distorted by, for example, the vastly greater number of games in which Natasha is seen than Nikola is seen?
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Post Wednesday, 26th September 2018, 18:46

Re: Deadliest unique per floor

Not possible. Seeing a unique does not create a milestone, only killing them does.

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Post Thursday, 27th September 2018, 04:37

Re: Deadliest unique per floor

This data tells me we clearly need some more dangerous high level undead uniques for the crypt and tomb.
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Post Thursday, 27th September 2018, 06:23

Re: Deadliest unique per floor

This data tells me we clearly need to nerf Rupert. It is ridiculous, if it is top killer on D:13 what is it doing on Lair:2???

Edit. Can someone create top killer among uniques per PC XL table? This can be useful as then we can directly compare uniques from different branches.
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Post Thursday, 27th September 2018, 09:19

Re: Deadliest unique per floor

Tiamat is the top unique killer in Zot, doesn't mean she needs a nerf.
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Post Thursday, 27th September 2018, 21:08

Re: Deadliest unique per floor

By that logic Lernaean hydra ought to be nerfed because it has huge kill rate, but that kinda ignores all the things that are good at killing lerny and how most people who die to it are just tabbing around through swamp

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Post Saturday, 29th September 2018, 07:39

Re: Deadliest unique per floor

polymetheus with 10% is surprising. Never found him particularly scary. He usually just gets petrified by the catalepus lol.

Slime Squisher

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Post Saturday, 29th September 2018, 19:05

Re: Deadliest unique per floor

duvessa wrote:Tiamat is the top unique killer in Zot, doesn't mean she needs a nerf.

Tiamat is the only killer-of-players unique in Zot.

[15:04] <mattlistener> !Lg * recent !boring place=Zot s=killer killer=uniq
[15:04] <Sequell> 43 games for * (recent !boring place=Zot killer=uniq): 43x Tiamat
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Post Saturday, 29th September 2018, 20:34

Re: Deadliest unique per floor

I can't think of another unique besides Tiamat that can appear in Zot. I suppose you could drag one down from Depths. Or a HellPanLord could appear on the Orb run.

Edit: Stupid challenge: die to Crazy Yuif on Zot:5.

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Post Saturday, 29th September 2018, 21:00

Re: Deadliest unique per floor

That was my point. Rupert gets most of the unique kills in Lair:3-6 because very few other uniques can generate there, and the ones that do are pretty easy to deal with (aside from Nessos sometimes, I guess).

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Post Sunday, 30th September 2018, 17:00

Re: Deadliest unique per floor

And my point was that when one unique is more dangerous than any other on a wide selection of floors, it should probably be nerfed or at least it should not appear that early.
I would rather meet Mennas, Nicola or Mara on Lair:3, they don't kill you from range 7.
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