Strength and diminishing returns

[delarado]

I currently have 57 strength and have found a +8 strength ring. I'm a melee statuepode.

Is it worth having the extra 8 or am I on the way to diminishing returns?

https://underhound.eu/crawl/morgue/Dela ... larado.txt

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.24.0-125-gc4c63601f3 (webtiles) character file.

Delarado the Conqueror (Octopode Fighter)         Turns: 155537, Time: 18:47:54

HP:   210/210 (224) AC: 17    Str: 57    XL:     27
MP:   35/41         EV: 42    Int: 26    God:    the Shining One [******]
Gold: 11148         SH: 44    Dex: 12    Spells: 1/64 levels left

rFire    + . .     SeeInvis +     - Unarmed
rCold    + + +     Gourm    .   S - +8 large shield {AC+3}
rNeg     + + +     Faith    .   v - +3 hat of the Fifty Wonders {+Inv Str+8}
rPois    +         Spirit   .   V - amulet "Cofeote" {RegenMP rF+ MR++ Int+4}
rElec    +         Reflect  .   P - ring "Noycwyiw" {*Drain +Blink rPois EV+5 Str+7}
rCorr    +         Harm     .   J - ring of the Philosopher {MR+ Str+7 Dex+4}
MR       +++++     Rnd*Tele +   I - ring of Robustness {AC+8}
Stlth    +++.......             B - ring of Wu Jian's Favour {rPois rC+++ rCorr Str+4 Dex-3}
HPRegen  0.00/turn              f - ring of Gluttony {*Drain rPois rCorr Int+5 SInv}
MPRegen  0.52/turn              l - ring of Phasing {EV+8}
                                e - ring "Emicw" {+Inv rElec rC+ Str+8 Dex-2}
                                s - +5 ring of intelligence

@: very slightly contaminated, glowing
A: almost no armour, stealthy swim, amphibious, 8 rings, constrict 8, tentacle
spike 1, large bone plates 1, yellow scales 1, camouflage 1, clumsy 1, dopey 1,
low mp 1, inhibited regeneration, strong 1, teleportitis 1, gelatinous body 1,
no potion heal 1
}: 15/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, slimy, silver, golden, iron, obsidian,
icy, bone, abyssal, demonic, glowing, magical, fiery, dark
a: Divine Shield, Cleansing Flame, Summon Divine Warrior, Brand Weapon With Holy
Wrath, Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink, Evoke Invisibility


You are on level 8 of a ziggurat.
You worship the Shining One.
The Shining One is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 18 branches of the dungeon, and seen 87 of its levels.
You have visited Pandemonium 2 times, and seen 19 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 5 times.
You have visited 1 bazaar.
You have visited 1 ziggurat, and seen 8 of its levels.
You have also visited: Trove, Ossuary and Ice Cave.

You have collected 21717 gold pieces.
You have spent 5892 gold pieces at shops.
You have donated 4677 gold pieces to Zin.

Inventory:

Missiles
 y - 9 javelins (quivered)
 z - 2 silver javelins
Armour
 v - the +3 hat of the Fifty Wonders (worn) {+Inv Str+8}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 4 of the Shoals)   
   
   It affects your strength (+8).
   It lets you turn invisible.
 S - a +8 large shield of protection (worn)
Jewellery
 e - the ring "Emicw" (on tentacle) {+Inv rElec rC+ Str+8 Dex-2}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   
   It affects your strength (+8).
   It affects your dexterity (-2).
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It lets you turn invisible.
 f - the ring of Gluttony (on tentacle) {*Drain rPois rCorr Int+5 SInv}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Pits of Slime)   
   
   [ring of resist corrosion]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It protects you from poison.
   It lets you see invisible.
   It provides partial protection from all sources of acid and corrosion.
   It causes draining when unequipped.
 l - the ring of Phasing (on tentacle) {EV+8}
   (You found it on level 2 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of evasion]
   
   It affects your evasion (+8).
 r - a +6 ring of evasion
 s - a +5 ring of intelligence (on tentacle)
 u - a ring of protection from fire
 x - an uncursed ring of wizardry
 B - the ring of Wu Jian's Favour (on tentacle) {rPois rC+++ rCorr Str+4 Dex-3}
   (You took it off a balrug on level 7 of Gehenna)   
   
   [ring of resist corrosion]
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your dexterity (-3).
   It renders you almost immune to cold.
   It protects you from poison.
   It provides partial protection from all sources of acid and corrosion.
 I - the ring of Robustness (on tentacle) {AC+8}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of protection]
   
   It affects your AC (+8).
 J - the ring of the Philosopher (right tentacle) {MR+ Str+7 Dex+4}
   (You took it off a deep elf blademaster on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   
   It affects your strength (+7).
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 P - the ring "Noycwyiw" (left tentacle) {*Drain +Blink rPois EV+5 Str+7}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 1 of the Depths)   
   
   [ring of evasion]
   
   It affects your evasion (+5).
   It affects your strength (+7).
   It protects you from poison.
   It lets you blink.
   It causes draining when unequipped.
 U - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 V - the amulet "Cofeote" (around mantle) {RegenMP rF+ MR++ Int+4}
   (You took it off a vampire knight on level 3 of the Crypt)   
   
   [amulet of magic regeneration]
   
   It increases your magic regeneration.
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It protects you from fire.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Wands
 k - a wand of acid (34)
Scrolls
 g - 39 scrolls of remove curse
 n - 5 scrolls of summoning
 o - 13 scrolls of teleportation
 q - 11 scrolls of fog
 w - 19 scrolls of blinking
 C - 3 scrolls of silence
 N - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 Q - 23 scrolls of identify
 Y - 4 scrolls of holy word
Potions
 a - 4 potions of ambrosia
 b - 8 potions of might
 d - 2 potions of cancellation
 h - 38 potions of curing
 i - 10 potions of resistance
 K - 10 potions of haste
 M - 13 potions of agility
 O - 14 potions of brilliance
 R - 16 potions of heal wounds
 T - 8 potions of magic
Miscellaneous
 t - 3 phantom mirrors
 A - 3 boxes of beasts
 X - a fan of gales
Comestibles
 c - 49 rations


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
 - Level 13.0 Throwing
 O Level 27 Dodging
 - Level 18.5 Stealth
 - Level 25.0 Shields
 O Level 27 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 19.0 Spellcasting
 + Level 11.6 Conjurations
 - Level 3.1 Hexes
 - Level 4.0 Charms
 - Level 8.0 Summonings
   Level 6.2 Necromancy
 - Level 19.6 Translocations
 - Level 20.0 Transmutations
 + Level 11.2 Fire Magic
 - Level 7.2 Ice Magic
 - Level 6.0 Air Magic
 - Level 12.6 Earth Magic
 O Level 27 Invocations
 - Level 11.3 Evocations


You have one spell level left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Fire Storm            Conj/Fire      ######....   100%        9    #######
b - Apportation           Tloc           ######       0%          1    None
c - Lee's Rapid Deconstr  Erth           ######....   1%          5    None
d - Statue Form           Tmut/Erth      #######..    1%          6    ##.....
e - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          0%          2    None
f - Passwall              Tmut/Erth      #######.     0%          2    None
g - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       ######..     1%          2    None
h - Summon Butterflies    Summ           ######..     1%          1    None
i - Dragon Form           Tmut           #######...   1%          7    #####..
j - Aura of Abjuration    Summ           ######....   1%          5    None
l - Song of Slaying       Chrm           #####...     1%          2    None
m - Lesser Beckoning      Tloc           #######...   0%          3    None
n - Portal Projectile     Hex/Tloc       ######       1%          3    None
o - Summon Lightning Spi  Summ/Air       ######..     1%          4    None
p - Ozocubu's Armour      Chrm/Ice       ######..     1%          3    None
r - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          3%          8    ######.


[le_nerd]

Ring managment for 'podes isn't so much about diminishing returns as about opportunity cost of other rings. Your weakest ring is +5Int, I'd choose +8Str over that. I would not change any of your other seven ring against the +8Str.

[damerell]

I currently have 57 strength and have found a +8 strength ring. I'm a melee statuepode.
Is it worth having the extra 8 or am I on the way to diminishing returns?

There aren't really diminishing returns here, except inasmuch as if you start one-shotting significant threats you can't hit them any harder than that.

I notice you are rotted of 14 HP and have 38 curing potions.

[tasonir]

+8 strength is great and all, but when you're at 49 strength (before the ring), I'm not sure that +8 is really necessary. Wouldn't wearing the +6 evasion ring be worth more?

To be fair, "optimizing" your rings when you're already post 15 runes and doing zigs is kind of unnecessary as a whole, but hey, I understand wanting to be incredibly overpowered! Grats on both the ring of robustness and phasing in the same game