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Lair Larrikin

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Joined: Wednesday, 20th June 2018, 00:48

Post Monday, 25th June 2018, 16:23

Have Some Questions and Want Advice

Character Info:
  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21.1 (tiles) character file.

Guqumimn the Warrior (Minotaur Berserker)          Turns: 29432, Time: 01:54:20

Health: 156/156    AC: 22    Str: 28    XL:     15   Next: 47%
Magic:  17/17      EV:  8    Int:  4    God:    Trog [******]
Gold:   891        SH:  0    Dex: 10    Spells: 14/14 levels left

rFire    + . .     SeeInvis .   K - +0 morningstar (freeze)
rCold    + . .     Gourm    .   (no shield)
rNeg     . . .     Faith    +   I - +0 plate armour
rPois    +         Spirit   .   v - +2 hat
rElec    +         Reflect  .   p - +2 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   Z - +0 pair of gloves
MR       +....                  w - +0 pair of boots
Stlth    ..........             i - amulet "Oreklaun" {Faith rElec rF+}
HPRegen  0.36/turn              r - ring of poison resistance
MPRegen  0.15/turn              T - ring of protection from cold

@: no status effects
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2
a: Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Burn Spellbooks, Renounce Religion


You are on level 11 of the Dungeon.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 22 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth and Ossuary.

You have collected 2385 gold pieces.
You have spent 1494 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 o - a +1 great mace of holy wrath
 s - the +0 flail of Faf Ust {antimagic, *Rage rC+ rN+++ MP+9}
   (You found it on level 12 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It reduces the magical energy of the wielder, and disrupts the spells and
   magical abilities of those hit. Natural abilities and divine invocations are
   not affected.
   
   It protects you from cold.
   It renders you almost immune to negative energy.
   It affects your magic capacity (+9).
   It may make you go berserk in combat.
 C - a +3 antimagic morningstar
 K - a +0 morningstar of freezing (weapon)
 L - a +0 morningstar of draining
 S - a +0 hunting sling
 X - a +1 lajatang of speed
Missiles
 f - 528 stones (quivered)
 m - 214 sling bullets
Armour
 a - the +8 chain mail of Ecvaso {*Slow rF+ rCorr Dex+2}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 11 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from acid and corrosion.
   It may slow you when you take damage.
 p - a +2 cloak (worn)
 t - a +1 large shield
 v - a +2 hat (worn)
 w - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 I - a +0 plate armour (worn)
 P - a +1 cloak of poison resistance
 R - a +2 shield
 W - the +3 warlock's mirror {reflect}
   (You acquired it on level 15 of the Dungeon)
 Z - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
Jewellery
 g - an uncursed ring of flight
 i - the amulet "Oreklaun" (around neck) {Faith rElec rF+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 7 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [amulet of faith]
   
   It allows you to gain divine favour quickly.
   It protects you from fire.
   It insulates you from electricity.
 r - a ring of poison resistance (left hand)
 F - an uncursed amulet of regeneration
 J - a +2 ring of evasion
 T - a ring of protection from cold (right hand)
Wands
 x - a wand of clouds (7)
 B - a wand of digging (37)
 G - a wand of paralysis (64)
 H - a wand of flame (104)
 N - a wand of iceblast (18)
 U - a wand of disintegration (21)
 V - a wand of acid (3)
Scrolls
 e - 14 scrolls of teleportation
 k - 10 scrolls of remove curse
 u - 7 scrolls of enchant weapon
 y - 5 scrolls of fear
 z - 3 scrolls of enchant armour
 O - a scroll of identify
 Y - a scroll of blinking
Potions
 b - 5 potions of haste
 d - 6 potions of might
 h - 3 potions of mutation
 j - 8 potions of curing
 l - 2 potions of berserk rage
 n - 10 potions of lignification
 q - a potion of magic
 A - 3 potions of heal wounds
 D - a potion of ambrosia
 E - 2 potions of resistance
 M - 3 potions of flight
 Q - 3 potions of agility
Comestibles
 c - 30 rations


   Skills:
 + Level 20.3 Fighting
 - Level 16.0 Maces & Flails
 + Level 0.9 Slings
 - Level 10.0 Armour
 - Level 2.2 Dodging
 - Level 15.0 Shields
 * Level 4.7 Evocations


You have 14 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:6            Lair (6/6) D:8
 Shoals (0/4) Lair:4        Snake (0/4) Lair:3        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (0/2) D:12         Vaults (0/5) D:14         Depths (0/5) D:15

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One

Shops:
D:7 =   D:11 =(%[*   D:13 (   D:14 :

Annotations:
Lair:4 exclusion: 3 oklob plants


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.


Message History

There is a staircase to the Orcish Mines here.
Search for what [Enter for "god", or ? for help]? armor
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You climb upwards.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
There is an entrance to Geahuplu's Assorted Antiques here.
a - a transparent chain mail
Thank you for shopping at Geahuplu's Assorted Antiques!
As you read the scroll of identify, it crumbles to dust.
a - the +8 chain mail of Ecvaso {*Slow rF+ rCorr Dex+2}
You don't have any unidentified items.
Unknown command.
Search for what [Enter for "armor", or ? for help]? armor
Search for what [Enter for "armor", or ? for help]? weapon
Search for what [Enter for "weapon", or ? for help]? lajatang
Search for what [Enter for "lajatang", or ? for help]? ring
Search for what [Enter for "ring", or ? for help]? amulet
You eat one of the 31 rations. That ration really hit the spot!
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Nessos (Lair:5)
  Josephine (D:15)
  3 minotaurs
  A vault guard (D:14)
  A centaur warrior (D:14)
  8 hydras
  A catoblepas (D:12)
  Erica (D:10)
  A death knight (D:12)
  6 two-headed ogres
  5 death yaks
  2 tengu warriors (D:13)
  Urug (D:11)
  Sonja (D:13)
  Nergalle (Lair:3)
  An orc knight (D:15)
  Pikel (D:8)
  A lindwurm (Lair:5)
  3 deep elf magi
  7 ugly things
  3 manticores
  4 cyclopes
  6 elephants (Lair:3)
  4 black mambas
  An elephant (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  21 spiny frogs
  A gargoyle (D:13)
  5 torpor snails
  13 yaktaurs
  10 komodo dragons
  5 rime drakes
  2 kobold demonologists (D:15)
  The ghost of Guqumimn the Cudgeler, an amateur MiBe of Trog (D:4)
  2 polar bears
  A meliai (D:12)
  3 tyrant leeches (Lair:6)
  2 tengu conjurers
  4 trolls
  7 hippogriffs
  16 blink frogs
  6 slime creatures (D:15)
  A spriggan (Lair:3)
  3 shadows
  A spriggan (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  A vampire (D:12)
  7 wraiths
  2 water elementals (D:14)
  5 wyverns
  4 hogs (D:7)
  54 yaks
  A human (D:7)
  3 basilisks
  4 hungry ghosts
  3 fire bats (Lair:2)
  2 steam dragons
  14 vampire mosquitoes
  6 swamp worms (Lair:5)
  5 nagas (Lair:3)
  An acid dragon (D:14)
  A soldier ant (D:13)
  2 hell hounds (D:8)
  5 porcupines
  Duvessa (D:5)
  9 orc warriors
  15 water moccasins
  A hornet zombie (D:14)
  4 ice beasts
  3 sky beasts
  A slave (D:8)
  6 black bears
  The ghost of Guqumimn the Cudgeler, an amateur MiBe of Trog (D:3)
  7 ogres
  3 phantoms
  An eye of draining (D:13)
  2 necrophages
  7 wolves
  5 boggarts (D:15)
  7 centaurs
  12 crocodiles
  2 big kobolds
  29 bullfrogs
  6 earth elementals (D:12)
  Dowan (D:5)
  4 scorpions
  9 killer bees
  5 electric eels
  3 wights (D:9)
  2 howler monkeys
  6 crimson imps
  4 quasits
  A human zombie (Ossuary)
  2 bullfrog zombies
  3 centaur zombies
  9 orc priests
  A gnoll shaman (D:6)
  6 hounds
  7 jellies
  A bullfrog skeleton (D:8)
  5 centaur skeletons
  11 orc wizards
  5 iguanas
  7 worker ants
  2 big kobold zombies (Ossuary)
  2 hound zombies
  3 hound skeletons (D:4)
  2 mummies (Ossuary)
  13 adders
  22 gnolls
  A howler monkey skeleton (D:5)
  4 oozes
  An adder zombie (D:9)
  2 adder skeletons
  11 worms
  A dart slug (D:1)
  6 leopard geckos
  42 orcs
  3 giant cockroaches
  3 goblins
  4 hobgoblins
  17 jackals
  10 kobolds
  6 quokkas
  3 bats
  3 frilled lizards
  A goblin zombie (Ossuary)
  10 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary)
  A jackal zombie (Ossuary)
  10 kobold zombies (Ossuary)
  9 orc zombies (Ossuary)
  8 rats
  5 rat zombies
  A fungus (Lair:5)
709 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A komodo dragon (Lair:5)
  A slave (D:8)
  A phantom (D:8)
  A bullfrog (Lair:5)
  A worker ant (D:8)
  An adder (D:8)
  3 worms (Lair:5)
  29 bushes (Lair:6)
  19 fungi
  85 plants
142 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 851 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Guqumimn the Minotaur Berserker began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/0
   172 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting
   290 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 27/27 MP: 1/1
   943 | D:2      | You fall through a shaft!
   951 | D:3      | Noticed Guqumimn's ghost (amateur MiBe)
   956 | D:3      | Killed Guqumimn's ghost
   956 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
   956 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails
   956 | D:3      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 36/36 MP: 2/2
   956 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 42/42 MP: 3/3
   993 | D:3      | Noticed an earth elemental
   995 | D:3      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
   996 | D:3      | Noticed a water elemental
   996 | D:3      | Noticed an air elemental
   996 | D:3      | Noticed a fire elemental
  1047 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 26/48 MP: 4/4
  1141 | D:3      | Reached ** piety under Trog
  1515 | D:3      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  2388 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  2396 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  2396 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  2396 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 56/57 MP: 5/5
  2572 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting
  2902 | D:4      | Found a sand-covered staircase.
  2909 | Ossuary  | Entered an ossuary
  2926 | Ossuary  | Reached *** piety under Trog
  3037 | Ossuary  | Reached XP level 7. HP: 48/63 MP: 6/6
  3267 | D:4      | Reached **** piety under Trog
  3362 | D:4      | Noticed Guqumimn's ghost (amateur MiBe)
  3374 | D:4      | Killed Guqumimn's ghost
  3885 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3947 | D:5      | Noticed Duvessa
  3948 | D:5      | Noticed Dowan
  3952 | D:5      | Killed Duvessa
  3952 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 71/71 MP: 7/7
  3954 | D:5      | Killed Dowan
  3954 | D:5      | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails
  5020 | D:6      | Reached skill level 7 in Fighting
  5060 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5087 | D:6      | Reached ***** piety under Trog
  5550 | D:6      | You fall through a shaft for 3 floors!
  5558 | D:9      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  5609 | D:9      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 74/79 MP: 8/8
  5648 | D:8      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  6044 | D:7      | Found Taesyre's Jewellery Shoppe.
  6052 | D:7      | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting
  6216 | D:7      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  6485 | D:7      | Received a gift from Trog
  6800 | D:6      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 90/90 MP: 9/9
  6801 | D:6      | Received a gift from Trog
  7020 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  7250 | D:8      | Noticed Pikel
  7271 | D:8      | Killed Pikel
  7271 | D:8      | Reached skill level 9 in Fighting
  7414 | D:8      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  7602 | D:8      | Reached skill level 15 in Maces & Flails
  8028 | D:9      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  8028 | D:9      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  8028 | D:9      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  8029 | D:9      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  9091 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  9116 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
  9315 | D:10     | Noticed Erica
  9321 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
  9333 | D:10     | Killed Erica
  9333 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 101/101 MP: 10/10
  9885 | D:11     | Found Renir's Antique Armour Boutique.
  9885 | D:11     | Noticed Urug
  9941 | D:11     | Reached skill level 11 in Fighting
  9993 | D:11     | Found Geahuplu's Assorted Antiques.
 10106 | D:11     | Killed Urug
 10398 | D:11     | Received a gift from Trog
 10487 | D:11     | Found Bemavuaj's Food Shop.
 10509 | D:11     | Found Zizov's Antique Weapon Shop.
 10547 | D:11     | Found Qiemo's Jewellery Emporium.
 11074 | D:11     | Bought an embroidered cloak for 187 gold pieces
 11140 | D:12     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 11151 | D:12     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 11159 | D:12     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 11170 | D:12     | Noticed a brown ugly thing
 11170 | D:12     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 11181 | D:12     | Killed a brown ugly thing
 11188 | D:12     | Reached skill level 12 in Fighting
 11419 | D:12     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 11432 | D:12     | Noticed a death knight
 11433 | D:12     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 11433 | D:12     | Reached skill level 10 in Shields
 11449 | D:12     | Killed a death knight
 11517 | D:12     | Noticed a deep elf mage
 11518 | D:12     | Noticed a green ugly thing
 11520 | D:12     | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 11530 | D:12     | Killed a deep elf mage
 11534 | D:12     | Killed a five-headed hydra
 11534 | D:12     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 113/113 MP: 11/11
 11560 | D:12     | Received a gift from Trog
 11778 | D:12     | Reached skill level 13 in Fighting
 12151 | D:12     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 12254 | D:12     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 12266 | D:12     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 12814 | D:12     | Noticed a catoblepas
 13161 | D:12     | Killed a catoblepas
 13168 | D:12     | HP: 1/115 [earth elemental (8)]
 13750 | D:12     | Got a transparent flail
 13751 | D:12     | Identified the +0 flail of Faf Ust {antimagic, *Rage rC+ rN+++ MP+9} (You found it on level 12 of the Dungeon)
 13921 | D:7      | Bought the amulet "Oreklaun" {Faith rElec rF+} for 732 gold pieces
 14348 | D:12     | Reached skill level 14 in Fighting
 14408 | D:13     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 14419 | D:13     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 14715 | D:13     | Found Annu's Antique Weapon Shoppe.
 14884 | D:13     | Noticed Sonja
 14904 | D:13     | Killed Sonja
 15029 | D:13     | Noticed a tengu warrior
 15030 | D:13     | Noticed a tengu warrior
 15039 | D:13     | Killed a tengu warrior
 15059 | D:13     | Killed a tengu warrior
 15059 | D:13     | Reached XP level 13. HP: 116/125 MP: 12/12
 15671 | D:14     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 15699 | D:14     | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 15712 | Lab      | Entered a labyrinth
 15898 | Lab      | Noticed a minotaur
 15905 | Lab      | Killed a minotaur
 15909 | Lab      | Got a bloodstained hand crossbow
 15970 | Lab      | Got a bone dagger
 16117 | D:14     | Found Notunyf's Book Shoppe.
 16307 | D:14     | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
 16655 | D:14     | Reached skill level 15 in Shields
 17016 | D:14     | Noticed a minotaur
 17033 | D:14     | Killed a minotaur
 17038 | D:14     | Got a scorched ring mail
 17751 | D:14     | Received a gift from Trog
 17757 | D:14     | Noticed a minotaur
 18032 | D:14     | Killed a minotaur
 18032 | D:14     | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 18105 | D:14     | Reached skill level 16 in Fighting
 18538 | D:14     | Identified the Almanac of Summoning and Toxins
 18721 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 18847 | D:15     | Identified the +6 ring mail of Restlessness {*Slow +Blink rC+ Slay+3} (You took it off a minotaur on level 14 of the Dungeon)
 19114 | D:15     | Reached skill level 17 in Fighting
 19447 | D:15     | Reached XP level 14. HP: 117/140 MP: 14/14
 19591 | D:15     | Noticed Josephine
 19609 | D:15     | Killed Josephine
 20101 | D:15     | Received a gift from Trog
 20111 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 20129 | D:15     | Paralysed by a floating eye for 3 turns
 20136 | D:15     | Paralysed by a floating eye for 3 turns
 21184 | D:15     | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 21185 | D:15     | Found the +3 warlock's mirror {reflect}
 21350 | D:7      | Bought an uncursed ring of protection from cold for 300 gold pieces
 21397 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 21617 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 18 in Fighting
 21617 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
 22975 | Lair:2   | Identified the +1 dagger of the Stoat {protect, rElec rC+ MR+ Int+4} (You found it in a labyrinth)
 23039 | Lair:2   | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
 23412 | Lair:3   | Noticed Nergalle
 23419 | Lair:3   | Killed Nergalle
 23429 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Trog
 23847 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 24460 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 25209 | Lair:5   | Noticed Nessos
 25216 | Lair:5   | Killed Nessos
 25340 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 25389 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 26938 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 19 in Fighting
 27116 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 27133 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Trog
 27138 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 15. HP: 149/152 MP: 16/16
 27758 | Lair:6   | Reached ****** piety under Trog
 28199 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 20 in Fighting
 28240 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Trog
 29430 | D:11     | Bought a transparent chain mail for 275 gold pieces
 29430 | D:11     | Identified the +8 chain mail of Ecvaso {*Slow rF+ rCorr Dex+2} (You bought it in a shop on level 11 of the Dungeon)

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------+-----
Fighting       |  4  5           6     7  8 10 12 14 17 19 20 | 20.3
Maces & Flails |  4  5        7  8  9 12 14 16                | 16.0
Shields        |              1     2  4     5 10 13 15       | 15.0
Evocations     |                                      2  3  4 |  4.7
Armour         |                                        10    | 10.0
Slings         |                                              |  0.9
Dodging        |                                              |  2.2

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Mace              |    35 |    87 |   263 |       |       ||   385
       Headbutt          |     3 |    29 |    67 |   194 |   340 ||   633
       Flail             |       |    56 |    21 |   765 |       ||   842
       Morningstar       |       |       |    55 |    35 |  1336 ||  1426
 Fire: Hunting sling     |       |       |       |       |     8 ||     8
Invok: Berserk           |     1 |     2 |     7 |     5 |     3 ||    18
       Trog's Hand       |       |       |     2 |     4 |     6 ||    12
       Burn Spellbooks   |       |       |     1 |     2 |     4 ||     7
 Abil: Evoke Flight      |       |       |       |       |     5 ||     5
  Use: Scroll            |       |    12 |     4 |    15 |    17 ||    48
       Potion            |       |       |       |     1 |     6 ||     7
 Stab: Distracted        |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Eat: Chunk             |       |     9 |    11 |    20 |    32 ||    72
       Ration            |       |       |     2 |     5 |     7 ||    14
Armor: Leather armour    |    10 |    24 |    11 |       |       ||    45
       Animal skin       |     1 |       |       |       |       ||     1
       Chain mail        |       |       |   109 |       |       ||   109
       Plate armour      |       |       |    44 |   304 |   521 ||   869
Dodge: Dodged            |    23 |    78 |   124 |   119 |   296 ||   640
Block: Buckler           |       |     1 |    53 |     9 |       ||    63
       Shield            |       |       |       |   444 |   940 ||  1384


Current Situation:
I've cleared the Dungeon and the Lair.

My Current Game Plan:
Clear Orc Mines. Clear Shoals, get rune. Clear Snake Pit, get rune. Clear to Vault 4. Clear Depths. Clear Vault 5, get rune. Clear Zot, get Orb. Escape.

Experience Plans:
I'm training evocations to 10 and will then train slings to 10 to give myself some reliable ranged options for things I don't want to be close to. After that I intend to switch back on Maces and Flails until it is maxed out, same with Fighting. Then I intend to max out Armor, Dodging, and Shield. I guess if I don't clear by then, I'll reassess.

Questions:

1. Should I swap my unenchanted plate armor for the +8 chain mail of Ecvaso {*Slow rF+ rCorr Dex+2}?
2. How bad is the proc effect Slow on armor?
3. Are there mitigations for it or should I always avoid anything with that effect?
4. Is there anything else I should change up skills, equipment, etc.?

Other Artifacts Available:
+6 ring mail of Restlessness {*Slow +Blink rC+ Slay+3}
+3 warlock's mirror {reflect}
+8 chain mail of Ecvaso {*Slow rF+ rCorr Dex+2}
+0 flail of Faf Ust {antimagic, *Rage rC+ rN+++ MP+9}
+1 dagger of the Stoat {protect, rElec rC+ MR+ Int+4}
the ring "Dooweth" {rElece rPois rN+ Str-2 Int+6} (699 gold)
the ring "Uhostr Fyza" {*Tele rPois Stlth+} (258 gold)
the amulet "Ynidwe" {RegenMP rC+ Str+3 Stlth+} (637 gold)
the amulet of the Air {Inacc +Fly rElec EV+5 RMsl} (571 gold)

Spider Stomper

Posts: 212

Joined: Monday, 3rd April 2017, 11:44

Post Monday, 25th June 2018, 16:37

Re: Have Some Questions and Want Advice

*slow doesn't matter most of the time. Till you die due to being slow. You got so many scrolls of teleportation, you should be able to read them in a threatening situation as long as you recognise when to use them early enough.

Mines Malingerer

Posts: 44

Joined: Tuesday, 31st October 2017, 08:40

Post Monday, 25th June 2018, 19:07

Re: Have Some Questions and Want Advice

My Current Game Plan:
Clear Orc Mines. Clear Shoals, get rune. Clear Snake Pit, get rune. Clear to Vault 4. Clear Depths. Clear Vault 5, get rune. Clear Zot, get Orb. Escape

That's a reasonable plan, only one small remark: Snake tends to be noticably easier than Shoals on about any character. Having an rElec amulet to mitigate Shock Serpents crazy damage makes the choice even easier.

Experience Plans:
I'm training evocations to 10 and will then train slings to 10 to give myself some reliable ranged options for things I don't want to be close to. After that I intend to switch back on Maces and Flails until it is maxed out, same with Fighting. Then I intend to max out Armor, Dodging, and Shield. I guess if I don't clear by then, I'll reassess.

And that doesn't sound as good to me. First, Evocations provide enough ranged potential when you need it (not too often, because stepping aroud a corner an letting ranged opponent to close the distance himself is OP),training Slings seems redundant. Next, maxing your weapon skill is probably the last thing one should do, after ALL other relevant skills are maxed out (and this doesn't really happen anyway). I mean, exceptions exist for every rule, but in a 3-rune run I'd definitely leave weapon skill at mindelay point.
Maxing out Fighting makes a bit more sense, but still not too much: every consecutive skill level costs more and more XP: getting Fighting from 21 to 22 would take approx. the same amount of XP as to take your Dodging from current 2 to 9, and the latter is a better investment. For now I suggest turning Fighting off and just getting more Armour and Dodging. Shields are sufficient too as long as you don't upgrade from a regular to a large one.

1. Should I swap my unenchanted plate armor for the +8 chain mail of Ecvaso {*Slow rF+ rCorr Dex+2}?
2. How bad is the proc effect Slow on armor?
3. Are there mitigations for it or should I always avoid anything with that effect?

Well, I'm personally not too scared of *Slow and would wear this chain over your plate, but I'm fairly sure there're others who might disagree. Speaking about details, *Slow has a 1% chance to place a regular slow effect (just like from a spell or after Berserking) for 10-14 turns every time you get hit. You can remove the slow with a Cancellation potion or quaff Haste to counter it out. As Plantissue said, TPing away is a very solid option too. Anyway, as you're heading into Orc you can wait for now to see if the guaranteed Orc shops have smth shiny on sale or if you get an ego/enchanted plate off some orc, which is quite common.

Among the artifacts you listed none are spectacular. The amulet of Air is good, but the randart amulet you already have on is better. By the way, since you got Faith, feel free to use Trog powers much more frequently. EvIt may be the case, that Berserk aftermath scares you away, but you should still use Trog's Hand for every hexer (watch out for Orc Sorcerers and their Paralyse!) and Brothers in Arms for every significant fight. Maybe even try to deliberately drop to 5* piety to get a feeling of how spammable these abilities are. Good luck!

Spider Stomper

Posts: 212

Joined: Monday, 3rd April 2017, 11:44

Post Tuesday, 26th June 2018, 10:53

Re: Have Some Questions and Want Advice

TP is always a risk, but as a trog worshipper, you can always summon brothers.

Lair Larrikin

Posts: 15

Joined: Wednesday, 20th June 2018, 00:48

Post Tuesday, 26th June 2018, 14:58

Re: Have Some Questions and Want Advice

I've cleared Orc Mines, Snake Pit, and got the Snake Rune. Going to Shoals next.

Current Character:
  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21.1 (tiles) character file.

Guqumimn the Warrior (Minotaur Berserker)          Turns: 39491, Time: 02:40:28

Health: 171/171    AC: 33    Str: 32    XL:     17   Next: 30%
Magic:  22/22      EV: 16    Int:  4    God:    Trog [*****.]
Gold:   712        SH: 17    Dex: 11    Spells: 16/16 levels left

rFire    + + .     SeeInvis .   K - +0 morningstar (freeze)
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   R - +2 shield
rNeg     . . .     Faith    +   I - +12 chain mail of Ylieps {rCorr Str+4}
rPois    +         Spirit   .   v - +2 hat
rElec    +         Reflect  .   P - +1 cloak {rPois}
rCorr    +         Harm     .   Z - +0 pair of gloves
MR       +....                  w - +0 pair of boots
Stlth    ..........             i - amulet "Oreklaun" {Faith rElec rF+}
HPRegen  0.38/turn              J - +2 ring of evasion
MPRegen  0.18/turn              s - ring of protection from fire

@: no status effects
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2
}: 1/15 runes: serpentine
a: Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Burn Spellbooks, Renounce Religion


You are on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Trog.
Trog is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 5 branches of the dungeon, and seen 28 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth and Ossuary.

You have collected 3745 gold pieces.
You have spent 3033 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 K - a +0 morningstar of freezing (weapon)
 S - a +0 hunting sling
Missiles
 f - 569 stones (quivered)
 m - 298 sling bullets
Armour
 v - a +2 hat (worn)
 w - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 I - the +12 chain mail of Ylieps (worn) {rCorr Str+4}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It protects you from acid and corrosion.
 P - a +1 cloak of poison resistance (worn)
 R - a +2 shield (worn)
 Z - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
Jewellery
 g - an uncursed ring of flight
 i - the amulet "Oreklaun" (around neck) {Faith rElec rF+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 7 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [amulet of faith]
   
   It allows you to gain divine favour quickly.
   It protects you from fire.
   It insulates you from electricity.
 s - a ring of protection from fire (right hand)
 t - an uncursed ring of fire
 J - a +2 ring of evasion (left hand)
 T - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
Wands
 B - a wand of digging (37)
 G - a wand of paralysis (64)
 H - a wand of flame (136)
 N - a wand of iceblast (24)
 U - a wand of disintegration (21)
 V - a wand of acid (3)
Scrolls
 e - 14 scrolls of teleportation
 k - 11 scrolls of remove curse
 r - a scroll of fog
 u - 7 scrolls of enchant weapon
 y - 6 scrolls of fear
 z - 7 scrolls of enchant armour
Potions
 b - 5 potions of haste
 d - 7 potions of might
 h - 3 potions of mutation
 j - 5 potions of curing
 l - 3 potions of berserk rage
 n - 10 potions of lignification
 p - 2 potions of cancellation
 q - a potion of magic
 A - 4 potions of heal wounds
 C - a potion of invisibility
 D - a potion of ambrosia
 E - 2 potions of resistance
 M - 7 potions of flight
 O - a potion of brilliance
 Q - 3 potions of agility
Comestibles
 c - 29 rations


   Skills:
 - Level 20.3 Fighting
 - Level 16.0 Maces & Flails
 - Level 0.9 Slings
 - Level 15.0 Armour
 * Level 10.8 Dodging
 - Level 15.0 Shields
 * Level 8.6 Evocations


You have 16 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:6            Lair (6/6) D:8
 Shoals (0/4) Lair:4        Snake (4/4) Lair:3        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:12            Elf (0/3) Orc:2        Vaults (0/5) D:14
 Depths (0/5) D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:7 =   D:11 =(%[*   D:13 (   D:14 :   Orc:2 !(?[   Snake:3 }=}

Annotations:
Lair:4 exclusion: 3 oklob plants


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.


Message History

You climb downwards.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
You climb downwards.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You are near starving!
(D) Dungeon        (T) Temple         (L) Lair           (A) Shoals         
(P) Snake Pit      (M) Slime Pits     (O) Orcish Mines   (E) Elven Halls   
(V) Vaults         (U) Depths         
Where to? (Enter - Lair:4 @ (x,y), ? - help)
What level of the Shoals? (default 1, ? - help)
You see here 2 arrows.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
You climb downwards.
Level annotation: exclusion: 3 oklob plants
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
There is a staircase to the Shoals here.
You eat one of the 30 rations. That ration really hit the spot!
Search for what [Enter for "shop", or ? for help]? armor
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Saint Roka (Snake:3)
  8 nagarajas
  Aizul (Snake:2)
  Nessos (Lair:5)
  Azrael (Snake:3)
  An ettin (Orc:1)
  Josephine (D:15)
  3 minotaurs
  5 naga warriors
  A vault guard (D:14)
  A centaur warrior (D:14)
  8 hydras
  A catoblepas (D:12)
  7 anacondas
  Erica (D:10)
  A death knight (D:12)
  6 two-headed ogres
  5 death yaks
  An orc high priest (Orc:2)
  2 tengu warriors (D:13)
  8 naga sharpshooters
  Urug (D:11)
  6 shock serpents
  Sonja (D:13)
  3 salamander mystics
  Nergalle (Lair:3)
  12 naga ritualists
  7 orc knights
  Pikel (D:8)
  A lindwurm (Lair:5)
  3 deep elf magi
  3 orc sorcerers
  5 mana vipers
  8 salamanders
  7 ugly things
  3 manticores
  4 cyclopes
  6 elephants (Lair:3)
  23 black mambas
  An elephant (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  21 naga magi
  21 spiny frogs
  A gargoyle (D:13)
  5 torpor snails
  2 guardian serpents
  13 yaktaurs
  10 komodo dragons
  5 rime drakes
  2 kobold demonologists (D:15)
  The ghost of Guqumimn the Cudgeler, an amateur MiBe of Trog (D:4)
  2 polar bears
  A meliai (D:12)
  3 tyrant leeches (Lair:6)
  2 tengu conjurers
  9 trolls
  7 hippogriffs
  16 blink frogs
  6 slime creatures (D:15)
  A spriggan (Lair:3)
  3 shadows
  A spriggan (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  A vampire (D:12)
  7 wraiths
  2 water elementals (D:14)
  5 wyverns
  4 hogs (D:7)
  54 yaks
  A human (D:7)
  3 basilisks
  4 hungry ghosts
  3 fire bats (Lair:2)
  2 steam dragons
  3 fire elementals (Snake:3)
  14 vampire mosquitoes
  6 swamp worms (Lair:5)
  4 wargs (Orc:2)
  28 nagas
  An acid dragon (D:14)
  A soldier ant (D:13)
  4 hell hounds
  5 porcupines
  Duvessa (D:5)
  49 orc warriors
  15 water moccasins
  A hornet zombie (D:14)
  4 ice beasts
  3 sky beasts
  A slave (D:8)
  6 black bears
  The ghost of Guqumimn the Cudgeler, an amateur MiBe of Trog (D:3)
  12 ogres
  3 phantoms
  An eye of draining (D:13)
  2 necrophages
  7 wolves
  5 boggarts (D:15)
  7 centaurs
  12 crocodiles
  2 big kobolds
  29 bullfrogs
  6 earth elementals (D:12)
  Dowan (D:5)
  4 scorpions
  9 killer bees
  5 electric eels
  3 wights (D:9)
  2 howler monkeys
  6 crimson imps
  4 quasits
  A human zombie (Ossuary)
  2 bullfrog zombies
  3 centaur zombies
  14 orc priests
  A gnoll shaman (D:6)
  6 hounds
  7 jellies
  A bullfrog skeleton (D:8)
  5 centaur skeletons
  20 orc wizards
  5 iguanas
  7 worker ants
  2 big kobold zombies (Ossuary)
  2 hound zombies
  3 hound skeletons (D:4)
  2 mummies (Ossuary)
  13 adders
  22 gnolls
  A howler monkey skeleton (D:5)
  4 oozes
  An adder zombie (D:9)
  2 adder skeletons
  11 worms
  A dart slug (D:1)
  6 leopard geckos
  79 orcs
  3 giant cockroaches
  3 goblins
  4 hobgoblins
  17 jackals
  10 kobolds
  6 quokkas
  3 bats
  3 frilled lizards
  A goblin zombie (Ossuary)
  10 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary)
  A jackal zombie (Ossuary)
  10 kobold zombies (Ossuary)
  9 orc zombies (Ossuary)
  8 rats
  5 rat zombies
  A fungus (Lair:5)
960 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  An orc warlord (Orc:2)
  6 naga warriors
  An orc high priest (Orc:1)
  3 naga sharpshooters (Snake:4)
  3 orc knights (Orc:2)
  A black mamba (Snake:4)
  3 naga magi (Snake:4)
  A troll (Orc:2)
  4 wargs (Orc:2)
  A naga (Snake:4)
  9 orc warriors
  3 ogres
  4 orc priests
  2 orc wizards
  11 orcs
53 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A komodo dragon (Lair:5)
  A slave (D:8)
  A phantom (D:8)
  A bullfrog (Lair:5)
  A worker ant (D:8)
  An adder (D:8)
  3 worms (Lair:5)
  29 bushes (Lair:6)
  20 fungi
  85 plants
143 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1156 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Guqumimn the Minotaur Berserker began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/0
   172 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting
   290 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 27/27 MP: 1/1
   943 | D:2      | You fall through a shaft!
   951 | D:3      | Noticed Guqumimn's ghost (amateur MiBe)
   956 | D:3      | Killed Guqumimn's ghost
   956 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
   956 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails
   956 | D:3      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 36/36 MP: 2/2
   956 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 42/42 MP: 3/3
   993 | D:3      | Noticed an earth elemental
   995 | D:3      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
   996 | D:3      | Noticed a water elemental
   996 | D:3      | Noticed an air elemental
   996 | D:3      | Noticed a fire elemental
  1047 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 26/48 MP: 4/4
  1141 | D:3      | Reached ** piety under Trog
  1515 | D:3      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  2388 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  2396 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  2396 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  2396 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 56/57 MP: 5/5
  2572 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting
  2902 | D:4      | Found a sand-covered staircase.
  2909 | Ossuary  | Entered an ossuary
  2926 | Ossuary  | Reached *** piety under Trog
  3037 | Ossuary  | Reached XP level 7. HP: 48/63 MP: 6/6
  3267 | D:4      | Reached **** piety under Trog
  3362 | D:4      | Noticed Guqumimn's ghost (amateur MiBe)
  3374 | D:4      | Killed Guqumimn's ghost
  3885 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3947 | D:5      | Noticed Duvessa
  3948 | D:5      | Noticed Dowan
  3952 | D:5      | Killed Duvessa
  3952 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 71/71 MP: 7/7
  3954 | D:5      | Killed Dowan
  3954 | D:5      | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails
  5020 | D:6      | Reached skill level 7 in Fighting
  5060 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5087 | D:6      | Reached ***** piety under Trog
  5550 | D:6      | You fall through a shaft for 3 floors!
  5558 | D:9      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  5609 | D:9      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 74/79 MP: 8/8
  5648 | D:8      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  6044 | D:7      | Found Taesyre's Jewellery Shoppe.
  6052 | D:7      | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting
  6216 | D:7      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  6485 | D:7      | Received a gift from Trog
  6800 | D:6      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 90/90 MP: 9/9
  6801 | D:6      | Received a gift from Trog
  7020 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  7250 | D:8      | Noticed Pikel
  7271 | D:8      | Killed Pikel
  7271 | D:8      | Reached skill level 9 in Fighting
  7414 | D:8      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  7602 | D:8      | Reached skill level 15 in Maces & Flails
  8028 | D:9      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  8028 | D:9      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  8028 | D:9      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  8029 | D:9      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  9091 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  9116 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
  9315 | D:10     | Noticed Erica
  9321 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
  9333 | D:10     | Killed Erica
  9333 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 101/101 MP: 10/10
  9885 | D:11     | Found Renir's Antique Armour Boutique.
  9885 | D:11     | Noticed Urug
  9941 | D:11     | Reached skill level 11 in Fighting
  9993 | D:11     | Found Geahuplu's Assorted Antiques.
 10106 | D:11     | Killed Urug
 10398 | D:11     | Received a gift from Trog
 10487 | D:11     | Found Bemavuaj's Food Shop.
 10509 | D:11     | Found Zizov's Antique Weapon Shop.
 10547 | D:11     | Found Qiemo's Jewellery Emporium.
 11074 | D:11     | Bought an embroidered cloak for 187 gold pieces
 11140 | D:12     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 11151 | D:12     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 11159 | D:12     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 11170 | D:12     | Noticed a brown ugly thing
 11170 | D:12     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 11181 | D:12     | Killed a brown ugly thing
 11188 | D:12     | Reached skill level 12 in Fighting
 11419 | D:12     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 11432 | D:12     | Noticed a death knight
 11433 | D:12     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 11433 | D:12     | Reached skill level 10 in Shields
 11449 | D:12     | Killed a death knight
 11517 | D:12     | Noticed a deep elf mage
 11518 | D:12     | Noticed a green ugly thing
 11520 | D:12     | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 11530 | D:12     | Killed a deep elf mage
 11534 | D:12     | Killed a five-headed hydra
 11534 | D:12     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 113/113 MP: 11/11
 11560 | D:12     | Received a gift from Trog
 11778 | D:12     | Reached skill level 13 in Fighting
 12151 | D:12     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 12254 | D:12     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 12266 | D:12     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 12814 | D:12     | Noticed a catoblepas
 13161 | D:12     | Killed a catoblepas
 13168 | D:12     | HP: 1/115 [earth elemental (8)]
 13750 | D:12     | Got a transparent flail
 13751 | D:12     | Identified the +0 flail of Faf Ust {antimagic, *Rage rC+ rN+++ MP+9} (You found it on level 12 of the Dungeon)
 13921 | D:7      | Bought the amulet "Oreklaun" {Faith rElec rF+} for 732 gold pieces
 14348 | D:12     | Reached skill level 14 in Fighting
 14408 | D:13     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 14419 | D:13     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 14715 | D:13     | Found Annu's Antique Weapon Shoppe.
 14884 | D:13     | Noticed Sonja
 14904 | D:13     | Killed Sonja
 15029 | D:13     | Noticed a tengu warrior
 15030 | D:13     | Noticed a tengu warrior
 15039 | D:13     | Killed a tengu warrior
 15059 | D:13     | Killed a tengu warrior
 15059 | D:13     | Reached XP level 13. HP: 116/125 MP: 12/12
 15671 | D:14     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 15699 | D:14     | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 15712 | Lab      | Entered a labyrinth
 15898 | Lab      | Noticed a minotaur
 15905 | Lab      | Killed a minotaur
 15909 | Lab      | Got a bloodstained hand crossbow
 15970 | Lab      | Got a bone dagger
 16117 | D:14     | Found Notunyf's Book Shoppe.
 16307 | D:14     | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
 16655 | D:14     | Reached skill level 15 in Shields
 17016 | D:14     | Noticed a minotaur
 17033 | D:14     | Killed a minotaur
 17038 | D:14     | Got a scorched ring mail
 17751 | D:14     | Received a gift from Trog
 17757 | D:14     | Noticed a minotaur
 18032 | D:14     | Killed a minotaur
 18032 | D:14     | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 18105 | D:14     | Reached skill level 16 in Fighting
 18538 | D:14     | Identified the Almanac of Summoning and Toxins
 18721 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 18847 | D:15     | Identified the +6 ring mail of Restlessness {*Slow +Blink rC+ Slay+3} (You took it off a minotaur on level 14 of the Dungeon)
 19114 | D:15     | Reached skill level 17 in Fighting
 19447 | D:15     | Reached XP level 14. HP: 117/140 MP: 14/14
 19591 | D:15     | Noticed Josephine
 19609 | D:15     | Killed Josephine
 20101 | D:15     | Received a gift from Trog
 20111 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 20129 | D:15     | Paralysed by a floating eye for 3 turns
 20136 | D:15     | Paralysed by a floating eye for 3 turns
 21184 | D:15     | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 21185 | D:15     | Found the +3 warlock's mirror {reflect}
 21350 | D:7      | Bought an uncursed ring of protection from cold for 300 gold pieces
 21397 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 21617 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 18 in Fighting
 21617 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
 22975 | Lair:2   | Identified the +1 dagger of the Stoat {protect, rElec rC+ MR+ Int+4} (You found it in a labyrinth)
 23039 | Lair:2   | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
 23412 | Lair:3   | Noticed Nergalle
 23419 | Lair:3   | Killed Nergalle
 23429 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Trog
 23847 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 24460 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 25209 | Lair:5   | Noticed Nessos
 25216 | Lair:5   | Killed Nessos
 25340 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 25389 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 26938 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 19 in Fighting
 27116 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 27133 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Trog
 27138 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 15. HP: 149/152 MP: 16/16
 27758 | Lair:6   | Reached ****** piety under Trog
 28199 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 20 in Fighting
 28240 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Trog
 29430 | D:11     | Bought a transparent chain mail for 275 gold pieces
 29430 | D:11     | Identified the +8 chain mail of Ecvaso {*Slow rF+ rCorr Dex+2} (You bought it in a shop on level 11 of the Dungeon)
 29488 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 29667 | Orc:1    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 29854 | Orc:1    | Received a gift from Trog
 29935 | Orc:1    | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 30143 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 30555 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 31001 | Orc:2    | Noticed an orc warlord
 31013 | Orc:2    | Killed an orc warlord
 31061 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 31067 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 31167 | Orc:2    | Found Cacaalu's Armour Boutique.
 31167 | Orc:2    | Found Yceoroy's Magic Scroll Shoppe.
 31246 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 31255 | Orc:2    | Found Plog's Antique Weapon Boutique.
 31255 | Orc:2    | Found Iciumi's Distillery.
 31464 | Orc:2    | Bought the +12 chain mail of Ylieps {rCorr Str+4} for 1539 gold pieces
 32417 | Snake:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit
 32430 | Snake:1  | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 32872 | Snake:1  | Reached XP level 16. HP: 84/165 MP: 12/19
 34462 | Snake:2  | Noticed Aizul
 34477 | Snake:2  | Killed Aizul
 35937 | Snake:3  | Found Maipt's Gadget Emporium.
 35938 | Snake:3  | Found Caymp's Jewellery Boutique.
 35939 | Snake:3  | Found Vipn's Gadget Emporium.
 36141 | Snake:3  | Noticed Azrael
 36212 | Snake:3  | Killed Azrael
 36890 | Snake:3  | Noticed Saint Roka
 36916 | Snake:3  | Killed Saint Roka
 36923 | Snake:3  | Received a gift from Trog
 37417 | Snake:4  | Entered Level 4 of the Snake Pit
 37565 | Snake:4  | Got a faintly humming chain mail
 37923 | Snake:4  | Received a gift from Trog
 37939 | Snake:4  | Received a gift from Trog
 38020 | Snake:4  | Reached XP level 17. HP: 143/171 MP: 21/21
 38044 | Snake:4  | Reached skill level 15 in Armour
 38546 | Snake:4  | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 38767 | Snake:4  | Received a gift from Trog
 38926 | Snake:4  | Got an iridescent mace {god gift}
 38927 | Snake:4  | Identified the +4 mace "Guxyleil" {venom, rF+ Int+3} (Trog gifted it to you on level 4 of the Snake Pit)
 38928 | Snake:4  | Identified the +2 chain mail of the End {Dex+2} (You found it on level 4 of the Snake Pit)
 39005 | Snake:4  | Got a serpentine rune of Zot

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------------+-----
Fighting       |  4  5           6     7  8 10 12 14 17 19 20       | 20.3
Maces & Flails |  4  5        7  8  9 12 14 16                      | 16.0
Shields        |              1     2  4     5 10 13 15             | 15.0
Evocations     |                                      2  3  6  7  8 |  8.6
Armour         |                                        10 11 14 15 | 15.0
Dodging        |                                            5  9 10 | 10.8
Slings         |                                                    |  0.9

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Mace              |    35 |    87 |   263 |       |       |       ||   385
       Headbutt          |     3 |    29 |    67 |   194 |   407 |   160 ||   860
       Flail             |       |    56 |    21 |   765 |       |       ||   842
       Morningstar       |       |       |    55 |    35 |  1670 |   542 ||  2302
 Fire: Hunting sling     |       |       |       |       |     8 |       ||     8
Invok: Berserk           |     1 |     2 |     7 |     5 |     3 |     2 ||    20
       Trog's Hand       |       |       |     2 |     4 |    13 |     5 ||    24
       Burn Spellbooks   |       |       |     1 |     2 |     4 |     1 ||     8
       Brothers in Arms  |       |       |       |       |     7 |     5 ||    12
 Abil: Evoke Flight      |       |       |       |       |     5 |       ||     5
  Use: Scroll            |       |    12 |     4 |    15 |    17 |     7 ||    55
       Potion            |       |       |       |     1 |     6 |     4 ||    11
 Stab: Distracted        |       |       |       |     1 |       |     1 ||     2
  Eat: Chunk             |       |     9 |    11 |    20 |    41 |     6 ||    87
       Ration            |       |       |     2 |     5 |     8 |     7 ||    22
Armor: Leather armour    |    10 |    24 |    11 |       |       |       ||    45
       Animal skin       |     1 |       |       |       |       |       ||     1
       Chain mail        |       |       |   109 |       |    74 |   183 ||   366
       Plate armour      |       |       |    44 |   304 |   521 |       ||   869
Dodge: Dodged            |    23 |    78 |   124 |   119 |   371 |   207 ||   922
Block: Buckler           |       |     1 |    53 |     9 |       |       ||    63
       Shield            |       |       |       |   444 |  1161 |   434 ||  2039


And that doesn't sound as good to me. First, Evocations provide enough ranged potential when you need it (not too often, because stepping aroud a corner an letting ranged opponent to close the distance himself is OP),training Slings seems redundant. Next, maxing your weapon skill is probably the last thing one should do, after ALL other relevant skills are maxed out (and this doesn't really happen anyway). I mean, exceptions exist for every rule, but in a 3-rune run I'd definitely leave weapon skill at mindelay point.
Maxing out Fighting makes a bit more sense, but still not too much: every consecutive skill level costs more and more XP: getting Fighting from 21 to 22 would take approx. the same amount of XP as to take your Dodging from current 2 to 9, and the latter is a better investment. For now I suggest turning Fighting off and just getting more Armour and Dodging. Shields are sufficient too as long as you don't upgrade from a regular to a large one.

I've trained Armor to 15, am training Dodge to 15, and am training Evocations to 10. What do I do after those are done? Go back to increasing Armor and Dodge? Turn on Fighting? Shields? I've never really considered what's an appropriate end game build.

Well, I'm personally not too scared of *Slow and would wear this chain over your plate, but I'm fairly sure there're others who might disagree. Speaking about details, *Slow has a 1% chance to place a regular slow effect (just like from a spell or after Berserking) for 10-14 turns every time you get hit. You can remove the slow with a Cancellation potion or quaff Haste to counter it out. As Plantissue said, TPing away is a very solid option too. Anyway, as you're heading into Orc you can wait for now to see if the guaranteed Orc shops have smth shiny on sale or if you get an ego/enchanted plate off some orc, which is quite common.

It's like you can see the future. I found a +12 chain mail of Ylieps {rCorr Str+4} which I thought was a distinct improvement over the +8 chain mail of Ecvaso {*Slow rF+ rCorr Dex+2}. I found a couple enchanted plate armors; a +0 with cold resistance and one with just a straight +4 enchant.

By the way, since you got Faith, feel free to use Trog powers much more frequently. EvIt may be the case, that Berserk aftermath scares you away, but you should still use Trog's Hand for every hexer (watch out for Orc Sorcerers and their Paralyse!) and Brothers in Arms for every significant fight. Maybe even try to deliberately drop to 5* piety to get a feeling of how spammable these abilities are. Good luck!

I was spamming Brothers in Arms a bit in the Snake Pit and that failure chance goes up really quick. I was at a point where I had 28% failure rate and it failed multiple times in a row in a major engagement. I think I'll just save it for bad situations.

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Post Wednesday, 27th June 2018, 10:03

Re: Have Some Questions and Want Advice

Looking good!
I've trained Armor to 15, am training Dodge to 15, and am training Evocations to 10. What do I do after those are done? Go back to increasing Armor and Dodge? Turn on Fighting? Shields? I've never really considered what's an appropriate end game build.

Yeah, after that you can turn Fighting and Armour back on and probably just leave it this way until both are really high, 25 or so. Only train more Shields if you're upgrading to a large shield. This is by no means necessary in a 3-rune run and quite costly XP-wise, so I'd say only worth it if you come across one with a good ego, reflection for example.

Your +0 freezing morningstar is going to fall off soon. Make sure Trog didn't gift you a Demon Whip or an Eveningstar at some point? Both are good end-game one-handers, so as soon as you find either, feel free to enchant it all the way up and possibly rebrand if it has smth. like venom or protection or chaos on it. If that doesn't happen by the time you finish Shoals, I'd say it might be a good idea to dump most of your EW scrolls (~5) in that morningstar before Vaults, because many enemies you'll meet there are quite tanky. If you feel really desperate about gettin a better weapon, you can try visiting Elf:2 which has a guaranteed area called Hall of Blades. It's sealed with a runed door and populated by all kinds of dancing weapons. Chances are good one of those would be an eveningstar. I'd suggest to hold back from Elf:3 if it's your first time in Elf though, things can get real ugly real fast if you rashly tackle on the end vault. Oh, and don't hoard Enchant Armour scrolls, this chain mail is likely to serve you until the very end anyway, and you still have cloak, gloves, boots at +1 or +0

bel

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Post Wednesday, 27th June 2018, 22:00

Re: Have Some Questions and Want Advice

In addition to training Fighting, Armour, Dodging, you can train your weapon skills: Maces & Flails and Slings, higher as well. For Trog characters, training these skills as high as you can is always useful. It's not like you have any other places to put XP in (apart from evocations, which is also useful).

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