Gnolls and gods


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Lair Larrikin

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Post Wednesday, 9th May 2018, 15:59

Gnolls and gods

So I just started playing as a gnoll, I was wondering if you could suggest me a god to worship.
Ashenzari: boosts your skills once you are bound, but how how much? invisible and Clarity are always nice to have but Transfer Knowledge seems the most useful ability since gnolls have no control on skill development.
Cheibriados: that would be interesting, but I let him to more skilled players :D
Nemelex Xobeh: getting stacked decks :D it would take a while before getting them :?
Okawaru: useful gifts and cheap ( in terms of piety) and powerful abilities
Sif Muna and Kiku: I'd leave them to pure spellcasters ;)

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Post Wednesday, 9th May 2018, 16:46

Re: Gnolls and gods

Black Demon wrote:Okawaru: useful gifts


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Post Wednesday, 9th May 2018, 18:43

Re: Gnolls and gods

Gnolls work with just about any god, so it's just a question of which gods you like. I play too much Chei, but it sounds like you're fairly new, so popular gods for new players are usually Trog, Okawaru, or Kiku (for necromancer type builds - allies are strong). If you want your god to create your allies for you automatically there's Yred, who makes the early game easy but can be a bit weaker in Zot where monsters are strong enough to start killing off your gifted allies. I'm ignoring sif/vuhemut since you said you don't play pure casters, but kiku isn't really a pure caster kind of god.

Edit: forgot Mahkleb - free healing on kills is really strong.

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Post Wednesday, 9th May 2018, 21:20

Re: Gnolls and gods

I'm personally a fan of Gozag, you can use just about any awesome loot that shows up in shops and is a generically good god. Won a 15 runer Gnoll Wizard recently with Gozag, and cleared a Zig with it.
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Post Wednesday, 9th May 2018, 23:57

Re: Gnolls and gods

I also had good experiences with Gozag--though in my case I converted to Gozag specifically because I saw Zephyr (a fantastic artifact bow) for sale and wanted divine help raising the cash. In general Gozag is a flexible and powerful pick as long as you don't want to liberally high hunger spells. Gozag can get you out of trouble with potion petition, keep you out of trouble with the distraction effect, and bribing branches is great.

I would save Ash for after you play a gnoll of something else--embrace the weird and powerful gnoll skill system! Don't fight it! Having medium ranks in every single spell school is pretty neat.

Okawaru is decent and that skill boost is pretty nice. Personally I found the endless shower of random weapons to be kinda overwhelming, but that's simply because I have pack rat tendencies. If you're ruthless about dropping the extras, you'll be fine. One nice thing about Okawaru for a gnoll is you can get a lot out of a little bit of invocation skill.

I haven't tried it with a gnoll, but in general I find Heplianlqana to be a great pick that works with many play styles as long as you're ok with having an ally. I like the hexer ancestor a lot.

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Post Friday, 11th May 2018, 19:22

Re: Gnolls and gods

I took Gozag, I had the luck of finding two scrolls of aquirement and picked gold :D Just one more thing, I found a manual of fighting, is it useful? since gnolls already have +8 aptitude, do I get a bonus?

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Post Friday, 11th May 2018, 19:54

Re: Gnolls and gods

Manuals still help. The EXP necessary to level Fighting will still be halved, the effect is not weaker due to having high apt. You'll be lugging it around for quite awhile, though.

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Post Friday, 11th May 2018, 22:09

Re: Gnolls and gods

Overconfidence killed this gnoll :( I died with plenty of escaping and healing options

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Post Saturday, 12th May 2018, 19:29

Re: Gnolls and gods

Started a new one with Okawaru, I'm using an amulet of faith but I can't reach the last piety level, I have *****.

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Post Saturday, 12th May 2018, 20:12

Re: Gnolls and gods

Black Demon wrote:Started a new one with Okawaru, I'm using an amulet of faith but I can't reach the last piety level, I have *****.

You don't need the last piety level. Oka + amulet of faith means you can and should use Heroism in every non-trivial fight and Finesse in every slightly scary fight.
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Post Saturday, 12th May 2018, 20:17

Re: Gnolls and gods

Thanks for the reply, I made this question because I had an ogre of sif Muna and it took me a lot of kills and magic training to reach the last level of piety, I reached qickly *****. but for ****** it took really a lot of experience

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Post Saturday, 12th May 2018, 21:36

Re: Gnolls and gods

Gifts drop your piety, IIRC, so you're just not seeing the time at 6*. Like fingolfin said, it doesn't matter at all.

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Post Saturday, 12th May 2018, 21:54

Re: Gnolls and gods

I see, I didn't know that gifts drop piety

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Post Sunday, 13th May 2018, 00:21

Re: Gnolls and gods

Black Demon wrote:I see, I didn't know that gifts drop piety

Strictly speaking gifts don't actually *drop* piety, you get a gift *instead* of gaining piety (Your piety doesn't literally drop as a direct result of getting a gift), however since piety decays over time, not gaining piety is sufficiently similar to losing it that the difference is all but academic.
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Post Monday, 14th May 2018, 08:04

Re: Gnolls and gods

Oka sometimes gives amazing gifts. But personally, I find Oka useful for weapon gnolls mainly for Heroism. It makes you able to take advantage of so many different weapons that drop around mid-game, which otherwise you're much still much less capable with. It's the difference between being able to practically (if not perfectly min delay) use broad/battle axes or larger polearms early, or not really reliably -- when you want them and your overall defenses are still probably not that great.
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Lair Larrikin

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Post Monday, 14th May 2018, 16:26

Re: Gnolls and gods

Right now Iìm playing a gnoll with Oka, heroism really helps

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Post Monday, 14th May 2018, 20:00

Re: Gnolls and gods

Siegurt wrote:
Black Demon wrote:I see, I didn't know that gifts drop piety

Strictly speaking gifts don't actually *drop* piety, you get a gift *instead* of gaining piety (Your piety doesn't literally drop as a direct result of getting a gift), however since piety decays over time, not gaining piety is sufficiently similar to losing it that the difference is all but academic.
I see this statement a lot, and I consider it deceit by omission because it doesn't mention how piety taper interacts with gifts.
When you get a god gift, you get some amount of "gift timeout", which is often thought of as negating a certain amount of future piety gain. But it's not quite that simple. With all gods except Ru, when you would gain a point of piety:
1. If you have gift timeout, it is decremented, and 75% of the time with non-Nemelex and non-Jiyva gods, this results in the point of piety not being gained.
2. After that, if your piety is already at the maximum, or is above 160 and passes a 1/3 chance, or is above 100 and passes a 1/3 chance, the game will try to give you a god gift. The gift will fail if you have gift timeout, are above water or lava, or just aren't with a gifting god, but whether the gift succeeds or not, this results in the point of piety not being gained.

So let's say you get an Okawaru gift and get a gift timeout of 40. Ultimately, you'll effectively lose 30 piety as a result, right? No. If you stay above 160 piety, you will only effectively lose 13.33 piety. This is because 55.56% of the time, your piety gain would have been negated anyway by step 2, whereas the gift timeout always gets decremented.
If you stayed above 100 piety but below 160, you would effectively lose 20 piety.

In other words, gifts are "cheaper" once you reach **** and are even cheaper at ******. And Nemelex/Jiyva gifts are completely free.

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Post Monday, 14th May 2018, 20:40

Re: Gnolls and gods

duvessa wrote:When you get a god gift, you get some amount of "gift timeout", which is often thought of as negating a certain amount of future piety gain. But it's not quite that simple. With all gods except Ru, when you would gain a point of piety:
1. If you have gift timeout, it is decremented, and 75% of the time with non-Nemelex and non-Jiyva gods, this results in the point of piety not being gained.
2. After that, if your piety is already at the maximum, or is above 160 and passes a 1/3 chance, or is above 100 and passes a 1/3 chance, the game will try to give you a god gift. The gift will fail if you have gift timeout, are above water or lava, or just aren't with a gifting god, but whether the gift succeeds or not, this results in the point of piety not being gained.

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Lair Larrikin

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Post Monday, 14th May 2018, 22:19

Re: Gnolls and gods

And Nemelex/Jiyva gifts are completely free

I see and if I wear an amulet of faith do I get those gifts more often?

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Post Monday, 14th May 2018, 23:44

Re: Gnolls and gods

Yes.

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Post Friday, 18th May 2018, 06:41

Re: Gnolls and gods

Hah. Today I learned one of my longtime fears about Oka/Trog dumping gifts into lava won't ever happen!

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Post Friday, 18th May 2018, 18:24

Re: Gnolls and gods

Hellmonk wrote:
duvessa wrote:When you get a god gift, you get some amount of "gift timeout", which is often thought of as negating a certain amount of future piety gain. But it's not quite that simple. With all gods except Ru, when you would gain a point of piety:
1. If you have gift timeout, it is decremented, and 75% of the time with non-Nemelex and non-Jiyva gods, this results in the point of piety not being gained.
2. After that, if your piety is already at the maximum, or is above 160 and passes a 1/3 chance, or is above 100 and passes a 1/3 chance, the game will try to give you a god gift. The gift will fail if you have gift timeout, are above water or lava, or just aren't with a gifting god, but whether the gift succeeds or not, this results in the point of piety not being gained.

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Post Sunday, 20th May 2018, 12:56

Re: Gnolls and gods

Here's an interesting one that I don't see listed elsewhere: Ru

Ru allows you something no other God allows except Ash; it allows Gnolls to somewhat focus their XP. By sacrificing a skill you do not intend to use; you can then lock it off from having further XP invested into it. Since there would also have been some training into these skills; Ru piety goes up faster.

Sacrifice Arcana on schools of magic you don't use. Sacrifice Armour if you plan to wear light; and sacrifice Nimbleness if you plan to wear heavy. You can even sacrifice Evocations if you're really up for it. Sacrifice Hand locks out Shields and Bows [You still have Hand Crossbows; Slings; Throwing and magic for ranged options]

Theoretically; a Gnoll of Ru could reduce the pool of skills they are training from 31 down to [-3 Arcana; -2 Hand; -1 Evocables; -1 Armour/Dodge; losing both is suicide; -1 Stealth] 23. And all that XP going to skills you do not use would be redirected into the other skills; causing them to raise significantly faster.

You also get access to Ru's panic buttons; and can always choose to not take certain sacrifices like Hand.

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