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Schillernde wrote:Hiya! I've been meaning to break into the exciting world of playing this video game where other people can see me on the web's site, but like, my main problems are lack of mouse support, which is a lot more damning than it sounds because having to stop every couple moves and figure out what key does what is a problem that will go away eventually, probably, but it's Annoying and i don't really wanna Deal With It, and also the worry that someone will spectate me and make fun of me, possibly for having to pause every thirty seconds and look at the controls. Is there anything to be done about this beyond either "get good" or some politer way of saying "get good"?

Draba wrote:

Schillernde wrote:Hiya! I've been meaning to break into the exciting world of playing this video game where other people can see me on the web's site, but like, my main problems are lack of mouse support, which is a lot more damning than it sounds because having to stop every couple moves and figure out what key does what is a problem that will go away eventually, probably, but it's Annoying and i don't really wanna Deal With It, and also the worry that someone will spectate me and make fun of me, possibly for having to pause every thirty seconds and look at the controls. Is there anything to be done about this beyond either "get good" or some politer way of saying "get good"?

Do not worry about anyone making fun of you.
Crawl players are a few orders of magnitude kinder than the average dota/pubg ones, you are more likely to get some advice if anyone drops by.

If you are a bit shy about letting others spectate you could also check out the standalone versions: http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/
Prefer using them myself as they are much more responsive, you do lose online scoring though.


Remembering commands does need a bit of time, but there aren't that many that you'll use routinely so don't get intimidated.
Macroing the most common ones will help a lot, my setup involves:
- throw quivered, shout, wait, ascend/descend stairs, use 'a' ability, use 'a' targeted spell , use 'e' untargeted/self targeted spell, evoke list, autoexplore(sorry, I'm lazy ) around the numpad
- F1-F4 targeted spells, F5-F11 untargeted spells (also mapped with shift in case of invisible enemies), F12 is reserved for blink or the closest equivalent
- a/b/c weapons at the end of the alphanumeric number row


This is a rare game in that once you get going mouse is more of a hindrance than an aid, and you'll get to that point sooner than you'd expect.

Schillernde wrote:i have absolutely no idea how to make a macro.

Draba wrote:Crawl players are a few orders of magnitude kinder than the average dota/pubg ones, you are more likely to get some advice if anyone drops by.

Schillernde wrote:i have absolutely no idea how to make a macro.

tasonir wrote:

Schillernde wrote:i have absolutely no idea how to make a macro.

This is the safest way to do it, but if you want to just automatically select what is closest to you, use "za!". ! is safer to use than . because . will waste a turn if you ever change that spell slot to be something that doesn't require a target.

Tumalu wrote:

tasonir wrote:

Schillernde wrote:i have absolutely no idea how to make a macro.

This is the safest way to do it, but if you want to just automatically select what is closest to you, use "za!". ! is safer to use than . because . will waste a turn if you ever change that spell slot to be something that doesn't require a target.

I actually recommend using "zaf". This will make your attacks autofire like za!, but if you do not have anything quivered (and many spellcasting characters do not), there will be no action to cancel on non-targetted spells. If there IS a quivered item you can cancel the action, but this will only happen on more physical-focused characters with Throwing, or casters with sandblast.

Tumalu wrote:...my spellcasters usually die before they have notable spare exp for leveling up stealth ;_;