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Zombie Hands vs. Freezing Cloud
TLDR: When, if ever, does Vile Clutch become ineffective? Ought a GnNe trade it out for Freezing Cloud for Depths and beyond?
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Airwolf wrote:I recently spectated somebody doing lots of damage with Vile Clutch in Zot:5 on Orb Guardians, Killer Klowns, etc. It seems so overpowered that it has to get nerfed soon...
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Airwolf wrote:I recently spectated somebody doing lots of damage with Vile Clutch in Zot:5 on Orb Guardians, Killer Klowns, etc. It seems so overpowered that it has to get nerfed soon...
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Moanerette the Drop of Water (Gnoll Wizard) Turns: 72708, Time: 21:58:08
Health: 195/195 AC: 34 Str: 13 XL: 25
Magic: 67/67 EV: 21 Int: 29 God: Ru [******]
Gold: 606 SH: 0 Dex: 16 Spells: 2/57 levels left
rFire + . . SeeInvis + w - staff of power
rCold . . . Gourm . (shield unavailable)
rNeg . . . Faith . s - +7 ring mail "Juach" {+Blink MR+ MP+9}
rPois . Spirit + z - +2 helmet {SInv}
rElec + Reflect . h - scarf {Spirit}
rCorr . Harm . u - +2 pair of gloves {archery}
MR +++.. Clarity + Q - +0 pair of boots of Kuciaxeomorch {rElec rF+ Int+2}
Stlth ++++++.... F - amulet of magic regeneration
HPRegen 0.42/turn (ring unavailable)
MPRegen 0.65/turn y - ring of Robustness {AC+8}
@: drained
A: distributed training, fangs 1, iridescent scales 1, clarity, magic resistance
1, missing a hand, unskilled 1, inexperienced 1, strong nose
}: 3/15 runes: decaying, silver, gossamer
a: Draw Out Power, Power Leap, Apocalypse, Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink
You are on level 1 of the Crypt.
You worship Ru.
Ru is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.
You have visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and seen 46 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.
You have visited 1 bazaar.
You have visited 1 ziggurat, and seen 8 of its levels.
You have also visited: Trove and Ossuary.
You have collected 8264 gold pieces.
You have spent 7658 gold pieces at shops.
Inventory:
Hand Weapons
a - a +7 quick blade of flaming
b - a +5 hand crossbow of flaming
Missiles
t - 1212 bolts
Armour
h - a scarf of spirit shield (worn)
s - the +7 ring mail "Juach" (worn) {+Blink MR+ MP+9}
(You took it off an orc priest on level 4 of the Dungeon)
It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
It affects your magic capacity (+9).
It lets you blink.
u - a +2 pair of gloves of archery (worn)
z - a +2 helmet of see invisible (worn)
Q - the +0 pair of boots of Kuciaxeomorch (worn) {rElec rF+ Int+2}
(You found it on level 5 of the Vaults)
It affects your intelligence (+2).
It protects you from fire.
It insulates you from electricity.
Magical Staves
w - an uncursed staff of power (weapon)
Jewellery
y - the ring of Robustness (right hand) {AC+8}
(You found it on level 5 of a ziggurat)
[ring of protection]
It affects your AC (+8).
F - an amulet of magic regeneration (around neck)
J - the ring "Boseisas" {rN+ Str+3 Slay+3}
(You took it off a rakshasa on level 3 of the Vaults)
[ring of positive energy]
It affects your strength (+3).
It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
(+3).
It protects you from negative energy.
Wands
f - a wand of iceblast (9)
p - a wand of clouds (12)
r - a wand of digging (62)
B - a wand of enslavement (14)
K - a wand of disintegration (27)
O - a wand of paralysis (21)
P - a wand of acid (20)
Scrolls
c - 4 scrolls of silence
d - 12 scrolls of identify
g - 38 scrolls of remove curse
q - 5 scrolls of fear
x - 5 scrolls of blinking
G - 9 scrolls of fog
I - 2 scrolls of amnesia
L - a scroll of summoning
S - 16 scrolls of teleportation
V - 4 scrolls of magic mapping
W - 5 scrolls of vulnerability
Y - 6 scrolls of enchant armour
Potions
i - a potion of agility
j - 4 potions of ambrosia
k - 3 potions of haste
l - 4 potions of heal wounds
n - 9 potions of brilliance
o - 2 potions of might
v - 11 potions of curing
E - 2 potions of berserk rage
N - 5 potions of resistance
T - 10 potions of mutation
U - 2 potions of cancellation
X - 3 potions of invisibility
Z - 3 potions of flight
Miscellaneous
e - a lightning rod (4/4)
m - a phial of floods
A - a fan of gales
C - 4 phantom mirrors
D - 3 boxes of beasts
H - a sack of spiders
M - a lamp of fire
Comestibles
R - 52 rations
Skills:
+ Level 15.5 Fighting
+ Level 15.5 Short Blades
+ Level 15.5 Long Blades
+ Level 15.5 Axes
+ Level 15.5 Maces & Flails
+ Level 15.5 Polearms
+ Level 15.5 Staves
+ Level 15.5 Slings
+ Level 15.1 Bows
+ Level 15.8 Crossbows
+ Level 15.5 Throwing
+ Level 15.5 Armour
+ Level 15.9 Dodging
+ Level 15.9(15.8) Stealth
Level 0.0 Shields
+ Level 15.5 Unarmed Combat
+ Level 16.5 Spellcasting
+ Level 13.5 Conjurations
+ Level 13.4 Hexes
+ Level 13.3 Charms
+ Level 13.5 Summonings
+ Level 13.3 Necromancy
+ Level 13.5 Translocations
+ Level 13.3 Transmutations
+ Level 13.3 Fire Magic
+ Level 13.3 Ice Magic
+ Level 13.3 Air Magic
+ Level 13.3 Earth Magic
+ Level 13.3 Poison Magic
+ Level 16.7 Invocations
+ Level 15.5 Evocations
You have 2 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:
Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger
a - Dispel Undead Necr #######. 1% 5 None
b - Borgnjor's Vile Clut Necr/Erth #######... 1% 5 None
c - Confuse Hex #######. 1% 3 None
d - Lee's Rapid Deconstr Erth #######... 1% 5 None
e - Summon Butterflies Summ #######. 0% 1 None
g - Summon Demon Summ #######... 1% 5 None
h - Freezing Cloud Conj/Ice/Air #######... 1% 6 ###....
i - Iron Shot Conj/Erth #######... 1% 6 ###....
k - Animate Skeleton Necr N/A 0% 1 None
l - Summon Lightning Spi Summ/Air #######. 1% 4 None
q - Darkness Hex #######... 1% 6 ###....
r - Regeneration Chrm/Necr #######... 1% 3 None
s - Swiftness Chrm/Air #######. 1% 2 None
w - Spectral Weapon Hex/Chrm #######. 1% 3 None
Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations
Branches:
Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Lair (6/6) D:11
Swamp (4/4) Lair:4 Spider (4/4) Lair:2 Slime (0/5) Lair:5
Orc (2/2) D:11 Elf (3/3) Orc:2 Vaults (5/5) D:14
Crypt (1/3) Vaults:3 Depths (5/5) D:15 Zot (0/5) Depths:5
Borgnjor's Vile C | | | | | 64 | 124 | 149 | 43 | 185 || 565
Summon Lightning | | | | | 10 | 48 | 37 | 17 | 30 || 142
Force Lance | | | | | 2 | | | | || 2
Lee's Rapid Decon | | | | | 1 | 60 | 72 | 66 | 71 || 270
Summon Butterflie | | | | | | 9 | 5 | 1 | 8 || 23
Summon Demon | | | | | | 27 | 25 | 16 | 12 || 80
Summon Forest | | | | | | 3 | | | || 3
Swiftness | | | | | | 1 | | | 3 || 4
Regeneration | | | | | | | 50 | 20 | 71 || 141
Freezing Cloud | | | | | | | 31 | 12 | 31 || 74
Spectral Weapon | | | | | | | 3 | 13 | 14 || 30
Simulacrum | | | | | | | | 15 | 71 || 86
Iron Shot | | | | | | | | | 46 || 46
Dispel Undead | | | | | | | | | 40 || 40
Darkness | | | | | | | | | 30 || 30
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tasonir wrote:What was changed with clutch in trunk? The closest thing I can find is this: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a= ... 24d5e20ace
Which is all the way back on jan 21st; it also seems like it was more of a bug fix than an intentional power level nerf...Am I missing something else?
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MainiacJoe wrote:I have a GnNe which is the farthest I've gotten a Ne since 0.21 introduced Vile Clutch. About to enter Depths, I'm beginning to wonder whether Vile Clutch is beginning to taper off in effectiveness. Because I'm Gn, I can swap it for Freezing Cloud. Both are AOE damage-over-time. My Nec is higher because of my background, but Conjurations isn't far behind because I have a manual for that. It just occurred to me as I write this that I ought to check whether I have enchancer staffs for any of these schools.
TLDR: When, if ever, does Vile Clutch become ineffective? Ought a GnNe trade it out for Freezing Cloud for Depths and beyond?
Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Borgnjor's Vile C | | | | | | 17 | 39 | 34 | 98 || 188
Freezing Cloud | | | | | | 15 | 24 | 37 | 34 || 110
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