KoEn of Kiku- Need advice.

Thursday, 30th November 2017, 16:59 by right hand

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20.1 (tiles) character file. Peutz the Unseen (Kobold Enchanter) Turns: 26198, Time: 01:17:22 Health: 76/76 AC: 11 Str: 12 XL: 15 Next: 40% Magic: 32/32 EV: 29 Int: 17 God: Kikubaaqudgha [******] Gold: 1176 SH: 5 Dex: 24 Spells: 3/25 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis + y - +7 quick blade rCold . . . Gourm . (shield restricted) rNeg . . . Faith . U - +0 steam dragon scales rPois . Spirit . b - +1 hat rElec . Reflect + N - +2 cloak rCorr . Harm . j - +0 pair of gloves MR +.... Q - +0 pair of boots "Feiz Uji" {Str+4 Dex+3} (curse) Stlth ++++++++.. k - +5 amulet of reflection Regen 0.3/turn f - ring of magical power MPRegen 0.3/turn M - ring of see invisible @: no status effects A: thin skeletal structure 1, carnivore 3, wild magic 1 a: Receive Corpses, Torment, Brand Weapon With Pain, Receive Necronomicon, Renounce Religion You are on level 12 of the Dungeon. You worship Kikubaaqudgha. Kikubaaqudgha is exalted by your worship. You are completely stuffed. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 18 of its levels. You have collected 1176 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand Weapons m - the +9 quick blade "Duttya Vuok" {drain, Dex+4} (You acquired it on level 12 of the Dungeon) A truly terrible weapon, it drains the life of those it strikes. It affects your dexterity (+4). v - a +2 dagger of venom y - a +7 quick blade (weapon) B - a +1 dagger of protection Missiles z - 57 poisoned needles W - 5 throwing nets (quivered) Armour b - a +1 hat (worn) j - a +0 pair of gloves (worn) N - a +2 cloak (worn) Q - the cursed +0 pair of boots "Feiz Uji" (worn) {Str+4 Dex+3} (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon) It affects your strength (+4). It affects your dexterity (+3). It has a curse placed upon it. U - +0 steam dragon scales (worn) Jewellery f - a ring of magical power (left hand) k - a +5 amulet of reflection (around neck) x - an uncursed ring of ice A - an uncursed ring of protection from magic J - an uncursed ring of positive energy L - an uncursed ring of poison resistance M - a ring of see invisible (right hand) Z - an uncursed ring of resist corrosion Wands s - a wand of flame (?/48) {zapped: 1} u - a wand of disintegration (?/24) C - a wand of iceblast (?/15) E - a wand of confusion (?/48) F - a wand of lightning (?/15) H - a wand of acid (?/15) V - a wand of polymorph (?/24) X - a wand of lightning (?/15) Scrolls g - 5 scrolls of enchant armour o - 6 scrolls of enchant weapon p - 8 scrolls of teleportation q - 3 scrolls of fog I - 5 scrolls of recharging K - 5 scrolls of remove curse P - 3 scrolls of magic mapping Potions a - an amethyst potion e - 4 potions of brilliance h - a potion of flight i - 2 potions of agility l - 7 potions of lignification n - a golden potion r - 8 potions of curing D - a potion of cancellation G - 4 potions of heal wounds R - a blue potion S - 2 potions of haste Y - 3 potions of ambrosia Books c - a book of Maledictions Spells Type Level a - Corona Hexes 1 b - Ensorcelled Hibernation Hexes/Ice 2 c - Confuse Hexes 3 d - Tukima's Dance Hexes 3 e - Dazzling Spray Conjuration/Hexes 3 w - Kikubaaqudgha's Catalogue of Evil (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 6 of the Dungeon) Spells Type Level a - Animate Skeleton Necromancy 1 b - Corpse Rot Necromancy 2 c - Sublimation of Blood Necromancy 2 d - Vampiric Draining Necromancy 3 e - Control Undead Necromancy 4 O - a book of Debilitation Spells Type Level a - Corona Hexes 1 b - Slow Hexes 2 c - Inner Flame Hexes/Fire 3 d - Portal Projectile Hexes/Translocation 3 e - Cause Fear Hexes 4 f - Leda's Liquefaction Hexes/Earth 4 T - Kikubaaqudgha's Papyrus of Sinister Secrets (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 9 of the Dungeon) Spells Type Level a - Animate Dead Necromancy 4 b - Agony Necromancy 5 c - Dispel Undead Necromancy 5 d - Simulacrum Ice/Necromancy 6 e - Death Channel Necromancy 6 Comestibles d - 9 meat rations t - 20 royal jellies Skills: - Level 2.1 Fighting + Level 13.9 Short Blades + Level 12.8 Dodging + Level 16.9 Stealth - Level 5.7 Spellcasting + Level 11.9 Hexes + Level 10.8 Necromancy - Level 3.8 Ice Magic You have 3 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Corona Hex ######. 1% 1 None b - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice #####. 1% 2 #...... c - Confuse Hex ######.. 1% 3 ##..... d - Vampiric Draining Necr ######.... 1% 3 ##..... e - Animate Dead Necr N/A 3% 4 ####... f - Cause Fear Hex ######.... 1% 4 ####... g - Slow Hex ######.. 1% 2 #...... h - Tukima's Dance Hex ######.. 1% 3 ##..... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (12/15) Temple (0/1) D:6 Lair (6/6) D:10 Shoals (0/4) Lair:2 Snake (0/4) Lair:3 Slime (0/5) Lair:5 Orc (0/2) D:9 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Sif Muna Uskayaw Yredelemnul Shops: D:5 ( D:8 ( D:12 = Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are small and have problems with some larger weapons. You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time. You have a somewhat thin skeletal structure. (Dex +2, Stealth) Your spells are a little harder to cast, but a little more powerful. Message History You see here a triple sword. Found 7 javelins. You see here 7 javelins. Your pack is full. You see here a scroll of acquirement. Your pack is full. You see here a scroll of acquirement. Could not pick up an item here; shall I ignore it? Okay, then. Remove which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Okay, then. As you read the scroll of acquirement, it crumbles to dust. [a] Weapon [b] Armour [c] Jewellery [d] Book [e] Staff [f] Evocables [g] Food [h] Gold What kind of item would you like to acquire? (\ to view known items) Something appears at your feet! You drop a blowgun. y - a glowing quick blade y - a +7 quick blade (weapon) Saving game... please wait. #.# #.# # #.# #.# ## #.# #.# ##. ##.# ##.####.# #..# #......## #(## #.......# #.# #.####.#) #.# #.##...[) #.# #.##.#### #.# #.##<# # #@# #.##.# #.# #.##†# #.# #))..#### #.# #).†..... #.# ##.###### #.# #.###### #.#######....... #..........##### #######.## #.# There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Gastronok (D:8) A dire elephant (Lair:6) Snorg (Lair:6) Josephine (D:11) 4 hydras Harold (D:10) 2 catoblepae (Lair:6) A centaur warrior (D:11) 4 two-headed ogres A deep troll shaman (Lair:6) Erica (D:8) 9 death yaks The ghost of Peutz the Basher, a novice MiBe of Trog (D:7) Nergalle (Lair:1) Sonja (Lair:4) 2 fire crabs (Lair:6) Pikel (D:5) An ugly thing (D:12) 2 manticores 11 elephants Joseph (D:7) A centaur zombie (D:10) A gargoyle (D:12) 5 black mambas 10 spiny frogs 5 komodo dragons A rime drake (Lair:6) 3 meliai 2 polar bears 3 trolls A hornet (D:10) Prince Ribbit (D:8) 11 blink frogs 13 hippogriffs A shadow (D:11) 2 wyverns 6 wraiths 4 hogs (D:11) 26 yaks A human (D:11) 4 basilisks 2 steam dragons Menkaure (D:5) Edmund (D:5) 2 nagas (Lair:3) Duvessa (D:5) 7 porcupines 10 water moccasins 4 slaves (D:5) 5 orc warriors 3 ice beasts 3 sky beasts A necrophage (D:8) 4 black bears 5 ogres A phantom (D:6) The ghost of Peutz the Shield-Bearer, an amateur FoFi (D:3) 48 wolves 11 centaurs 11 crocodiles 2 big kobolds A gnoll sergeant (D:9) 15 bullfrogs Dowan (D:5) 3 scorpions A wyvern skeleton (D:10) 15 killer bees A vampire bat (Lair:5) 4 howler monkeys 4 crimson imps 10 hounds Crazy Yiuf (D:2) 10 orc priests 5 centaur skeletons 2 jellies 14 orc wizards Jessica (D:3) 2 bullfrog skeletons Ijyb (D:5) 2 iguanas Natasha (thrice) (D:2) 6 worker ants A killer bee zombie (D:9) A worker ant zombie (D:8) 4 gnolls 21 adders 2 shadow imps 2 oozes An adder skeleton (D:4) 2 adder zombies A worm (D:2) 5 leopard geckos 48 orcs 17 bats 4 giant cockroaches 15 goblins 7 hobgoblins 9 jackals 12 quokkas 6 ball pythons 3 frilled lizards 15 kobolds A leopard gecko skeleton (D:6) 2 quokka skeletons 7 rats 560 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) An orc wizard (D:9) An orc (D:9) 2 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A centaur (Lair:2) 2 fungi (Lair:6) 8 plants (Lair:6) 11 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 573 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Peutz the Kobold Enchanter began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 3/3 261 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 5/5 784 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 6/6 977 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation 1300 | D:2 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag. 1328 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 24/24 MP: 7/7 1340 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 1427 | D:2 | Noticed Natasha 1429 | D:2 | Killed Natasha 1630 | D:2 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 17/28 MP: 8/8 1769 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic 1935 | D:2 | Noticed Natasha 1942 | D:2 | Killed Natasha 1997 | D:2 | Found a runed door. 2336 | D:2 | Noticed Natasha 2342 | D:2 | Killed Natasha 2729 | D:2 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 33/33 MP: 10/10 2797 | D:2 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 2801 | D:2 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 3057 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Stealth 3127 | D:3 | Noticed Jessica 3133 | D:3 | Killed Jessica 3394 | D:3 | Noticed Peutz's ghost (amateur FoFi) 3426 | D:3 | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse 3462 | D:3 | Killed Peutz's ghost 3462 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 3462 | D:3 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 38/38 MP: 12/12 3550 | D:3 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 3568 | D:3 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 3671 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Stealth 4226 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Stealth 4226 | D:4 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 43/43 MP: 13/13 4328 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4436 | D:5 | Noticed Ijyb 4439 | D:5 | Killed Ijyb 4516 | D:5 | Noticed Menkaure 4524 | D:5 | Killed Menkaure 4560 | D:5 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 4590 | D:5 | Found Cotsadwe's Weapon Shoppe. 4779 | D:5 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 4779 | D:5 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 4781 | D:5 | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw. 4781 | D:5 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 4784 | D:5 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 4784 | D:5 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 4785 | D:5 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 4794 | D:5 | Became a worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha 4879 | D:5 | Noticed Duvessa 4881 | D:5 | Noticed Dowan 4887 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Stealth 4887 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 4896 | D:5 | Killed Duvessa 4909 | D:5 | Killed Dowan 5078 | D:5 | Noticed Pikel 5140 | D:5 | Killed Pikel 5140 | D:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Stealth 5140 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 5140 | D:5 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 19/48 MP: 0/16 5434 | D:5 | Noticed Edmund 5437 | D:5 | Killed Edmund 5474 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades 5834 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 6205 | D:7 | Noticed Joseph 6436 | D:6 | Reached * piety under Kikubaaqudgha 6436 | D:6 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Catalogue of Evil (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 6 of the Dungeon) 6436 | D:6 | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha 6848 | D:7 | Noticed Peutz's ghost (novice MiBe) 7122 | D:7 | Killed Peutz's ghost 7122 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 7122 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 7122 | D:7 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 51/53 MP: 3/18 7562 | D:7 | Reached skill level 11 in Stealth 7635 | D:7 | Killed Joseph 7642 | D:7 | Gained mutation: Your spells are a little harder to cast, but a little more powerful. [mutagenic meat] 7643 | D:7 | Gained mutation: You have a somewhat thin skeletal structure. (Dex +2, Stealth) [mutagenic meat] 7819 | D:7 | Reached ** piety under Kikubaaqudgha 7925 | D:7 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 7986 | D:7 | Learned a level 3 spell: Vampiric Draining 8021 | D:7 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 8913 | D:8 | Noticed Erica 8918 | D:8 | Killed Erica 8932 | D:8 | Found Simell's Weapon Boutique. 8946 | D:8 | Noticed Gastronok 8952 | D:8 | Killed Gastronok 8952 | D:8 | Reached skill level 12 in Stealth 8952 | D:8 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 57/57 MP: 19/19 9109 | D:8 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 9121 | D:8 | Killed Prince Ribbit 9121 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy 9149 | D:8 | Got a heavy robe 9160 | D:8 | Identified the +0 robe "Ytanamuj" {rPois Str+2 Int-4} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon) 9567 | D:9 | Noticed a two-headed ogre 9573 | D:9 | Killed a two-headed ogre 9585 | D:9 | Reached *** piety under Kikubaaqudgha 9585 | D:9 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Papyrus of Sinister Secrets (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 9 of the Dungeon) 9585 | D:9 | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha 9592 | D:9 | Learned a level 4 spell: Animate Dead 9785 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 10080 | D:9 | Found a flagged portal. 10281 | D:9 | Learned a level 4 spell: Cause Fear 10637 | D:9 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 10891 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 11422 | D:10 | Reached skill level 13 in Stealth 11442 | D:10 | Noticed a death yak 11446 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 11448 | D:10 | Noticed a death yak 11448 | D:10 | Noticed a death yak 11448 | D:10 | Noticed a death yak 11448 | D:10 | Noticed a death yak 11449 | D:10 | Noticed a death yak 11969 | D:10 | Reached **** piety under Kikubaaqudgha 12208 | D:10 | Noticed Harold 12305 | D:10 | Killed Harold 12305 | D:10 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 53/62 MP: 20/20 12509 | D:10 | Noticed a two-headed ogre 12538 | D:10 | Killed a death yak 12548 | D:10 | Killed a two-headed ogre 12699 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 12713 | Lair:1 | Killed a death yak 13085 | Lair:1 | Noticed Nergalle 13093 | Lair:1 | Killed Nergalle 13093 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Short Blades 13902 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 14 in Stealth 14045 | Lair:2 | Found a staircase to the Shoals. 14073 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 14624 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 60/66 MP: 21/21 14762 | Lair:2 | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw. 15031 | Lair:2 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 15608 | Lair:3 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 15665 | Lair:3 | Reached ***** piety under Kikubaaqudgha 16067 | Lair:4 | Noticed Sonja 16071 | Lair:4 | Killed Sonja 16414 | Lair:4 | Learned a level 2 spell: Slow 16554 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Hexes 16639 | Lair:4 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 16646 | Lair:4 | Killed a four-headed hydra 16653 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 15 in Stealth 16978 | Lair:5 | Learned a level 3 spell: Tukima's Dance 17410 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 17888 | Lair:6 | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts 18168 | Lair:6 | Noticed Snorg 18206 | Lair:6 | Killed Snorg 18361 | Lair:6 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 18379 | Lair:6 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 18512 | Lair:6 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 18540 | Lair:6 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 72/72 MP: 22/22 20635 | Lair:6 | Reached ****** piety under Kikubaaqudgha 20821 | Lair:6 | Noticed a dire elephant 21493 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 16 in Stealth 21800 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Necromancy 22085 | Lair:6 | Killed a dire elephant 23454 | D:11 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 40/76 MP: 23/23 24392 | D:11 | Got a pair of ancient boots 24398 | D:11 | Identified the cursed +0 pair of boots "Feiz Uji" {Str+4 Dex+3} (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon) 24866 | D:11 | Noticed Josephine 24998 | D:11 | Killed Josephine 25459 | D:12 | Found Xuqoij's Jewellery Boutique. 25782 | D:12 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 25856 | D:12 | Got an iridescent quick blade 25857 | D:12 | Identified the +9 quick blade "Duttya Vuok" {drain, Dex+4} (You acquired it on level 12 of the Dungeon) Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 | ---------------+-------------------------------------------+----- Short Blades | 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 12 13 | 13.9 Stealth | 5 6 8 10 12 13 14 15 16 | 16.9 Ice Magic | 1 3 | 3.8 Dodging | 3 4 5 7 8 10 11 12 | 12.8 Hexes | 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 | 11.9 Spellcasting | 3 5 | 5.7 Fighting | 1 2 | 2.1 Necromancy | 1 4 6 7 9 10 | 10.8 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Dagger | 56 | 156 | 276 | 570 | 632 || 1690 Quick blade | | | | | 37 || 37 Throw: Throwing net | | | | | 3 || 3 Cast: Corona | 4 | 2 | | 10 | 8 || 24 Ensorcelled Hiber | 8 | 44 | 61 | 176 | 263 || 552 Confuse | | 3 | 34 | 23 | 90 || 150 Vampiric Draining | | | | 3 | || 3 Cause Fear | | | | 3 | 4 || 7 Animate Dead | | | | 1 | 2 || 3 Slow | | | | | 2 || 2 Use: Scroll | | 5 | 6 | 4 | 9 || 24 Potion | | | | 7 | 1 || 8 Stab: Sleeping | 18 | 34 | 47 | 126 | 155 || 380 Confused | | 3 | 15 | 16 | 35 || 69 Distracted | | 1 | 2 | 3 | 16 || 22 Invisible | | | | 4 | || 4 Petrified | | | | | 1 || 1 Held in net/web | | | | | 2 || 2 Fleeing | | | | | 1 || 1 Eat: Chunk | 10 | 9 | 15 | 28 | 43 || 105 Armor: Robe | 9 | 33 | 34 | 54 | || 130 Steam dragon scal | | | | 55 | 118 || 173 Dodge: Dodged | 42 | 137 | 160 | 467 | 822 || 1628 Block: Other | | 20 | 37 | 125 | 188 || 370 Reflection | | | 1 | 3 | 10 || 14

^That's my kobold.
I have 2 quickblades, 1 artifact(+9) and 1 unbranded (+7) (Thanks to 2 nice scrolls of acquirement)
I have been trying to train necromancy, it's at 10.8.
Kiku is ready to give me his gift.

Which gift should I go for (I am leaning towards the brand, but I don't know if it's the best option)?
Should I get bigger armor?
Should I start using the blade immediately?
Should I focus on necromancy after taking the gift?
I imagine that the Vaults will be an a-hole to stabbers, what should I do if I reach it? Should I go for HELL or abyss instead?
Any spells I should be on the lookout for?
Any other advice I should be following?

Thanks in advance.

Thursday, 30th November 2017, 18:08 by Hellmonk

I would take the brand. Quickblade of pain is an absolutely insane weapon. Imo enchant the gloves and steam dragon scales, memorize corpse rot, memorize agony as soon as possible since you can probably cast it already (amnesia slow and corona if you can). Train a lot of fighting and some dodging. You can consider going for simulacrum later on once your defenses aren't garbage. Getting ozocubu's armour would be pretty great if you find it.

E: actually the draining qb is good enough that going for necronomicon is not totally unreasonable, but you shouldn't be trying to get anything from it castable for a long time imo.

Thursday, 30th November 2017, 18:10 by crawlnoob

quickblades are really hard to win the game on, helps to find elec but then a lot of monsters resist that now. Pain brand can be really strong, especially if you are only going for three or so runes, might as well go for it and see how you do. The draining QB is going to do a good job as well, and both will suck against undead opponents especially anything with high AC (bone dragons fx).

If you can find a good demon blade, might want to get that to min delay as well, I find that can help a Ko.

One of your biggest worries is simply going to be getting into melee with tough monsters when you have low kobold hitpoints and your AC is bad. Definitely try to get some more AC. Stabbing is pretty awesome but yuo cant do it all the time and as floors get more and more crowded, it gets harder and harder to pull off.

Thursday, 30th November 2017, 18:26 by right hand

Hellmonk wrote:I would take the brand. Quickblade of pain is an absolutely insane weapon. Imo enchant the gloves and steam dragon scales, memorize corpse rot, memorize agony as soon as possible since you can probably cast it already (amnesia slow and corona if you can). Train a lot of fighting and some dodging. You can consider going for simulacrum later on once your defenses aren't garbage. Getting ozocubu's armour would be pretty great if you find it.

E: actually the draining qb is good enough that going for necronomicon is not totally unreasonable, but you shouldn't be trying to get anything castable from it for a long time imo.

Alright, I'm prolly not gonna amnesia one of those (They help in luring parts of a big group.).
I'm really not feeling like playing a pure caster, the game hasn't been kind with giving good spellbooks lately and the spells in the necronomicon don't feel worth it.
Dodging and fighting, got it. Should I stop training my stealth?

crawlnoob wrote:quickblades are really hard to win the game on, helps to find elec but then a lot of monsters resist that now. Pain brand can be really strong, especially if you are only going for three or so runes, might as well go for it and see how you do. The draining QB is going to do a good job as well, and both will suck against undead opponents especially anything with high AC (bone dragons fx).

If you can find a good demon blade, might want to get that to min delay as well, I find that can help a Ko.

One of your biggest worries is simply going to be getting into melee with tough monsters when you have low kobold hitpoints and your AC is bad. Definitely try to get some more AC. Stabbing is pretty awesome but yuo cant do it all the time and as floors get more and more crowded, it gets harder and harder to pull off.

I saw that on the final level of lair (and the D on which the lair entrance was). Large groups suck. In both of the mentioned cases, I had to fight packs of death yaks and elephants. I did kill them all when I realized that they aren't resistant to poison, but high MR sucks.
Vaults are going to be hard.

I've been thinking about getting inner flame for controlling crowds, should I do it?

Thursday, 30th November 2017, 21:00 by njvack

You've cast Animate Dead a total of like three times. You want to make a lot, a lot, a lot of zombies. If there are big groups, have Kiku airdrop some corpses and zombify them and then when they start killing monsters, zombify those corpses. The horde will take care of the crowd. And most other threats you might face. There are not many things you can't solve by just adding more zombie buddies.

Death Channel is useful if you also want ghostly clones of vanquished monsters to help out. Which you do. Simulacrum is also pretty damn strong; IIRC you get more than one per corpse and they hit like trucks made of ice. Agony rules for single tough targets.

All your best options work better with higher Necro skill -- you get more/better corpses from Kiku and your pain weapon works better. So there's decent return on training that to a pretty high number, even if you don't find more necro spells.

Don't get inner flame.

If you haven't pain-branded your quick blade, do that now and use it to kill dudes.

Thursday, 30th November 2017, 22:51 by Siegurt

Also, you can get (lower quality, but non trivial) stabs in when things are distracted and attcking your undead allies, which is helpful against things with high mr.

Inner flame is great with undead, it is just incompatible with having a large army and/or stabbing. You can inner flame your one remaining ally and he will explode in firy death if the bad guys kill him, but if you are next to him you will take a ton of damage, and your allies will turn on you if they are damaged by the explosion (but not if they just walk into the clouds), so you have to be super careful about using it. The explosion is also loud so it will wake stuff up and attact bad guys, so dont stick around if there is any unexplored space anywhere nearby. Even with the drawbacks, zombie bombs are one of my favorites though, does crap tons of damage.

Friday, 1st December 2017, 08:59 by right hand

Welp, he dead.
Should've prolly backed out of orc when things started getting chaotic.

Friday, 1st December 2017, 09:52 by crawlnoob

I used to die a lot in Orc, back when I just walked right in and picked a fight. Luring and taking your time, clearing all the surrounding area, and again luring targets well out of the center (find some random choke points) are all especially rewarded in the open layout of Orc combined with the uniques and higher threat spell-caster/melee specialist monsters interspersed in that popcorn crowd which includes branded melee attacks, confusion casting wizards, and smiting priests.

Now I prefer to do it before Lair, for the fun and the reward of knowing what is in the shops before I drop all my Lair XP into my skills.

Friday, 1st December 2017, 15:47 by right hand

Yeah, it was avoidable.
I could've repeated what I did for the Lair's final level, but my brain derped and decided to go for the group fighting thing. It was going swimmingly until I got 2 teamed by an ice devil and a high priest.
Lessons for the next time, I guess.

Friday, 1st December 2017, 16:25 by Plantissue

I find Orc dangerously unpredictable, like getting killed by a summoned Sixfirhy in two turns, that sort of thing.

Saturday, 2nd December 2017, 09:29 by crawlnoob

You need to break LoS with the orc sorcerers and high priests, never fight more than two at a time, and be able to kill them very quickly either from the edge of LoS (ranged/conjurations) or when they step around a corner following you to your kill-hole (melee). If they get a good demon summon off while you are fighting them and they aren't very close to dying themselves, you need to be leaving. Same thing if you are engaged with a knight or warlord (or a ton of popcorn) and can't focus on or even reach the caster. Orc2 is one of the areas I will often use my first few teleport scrolls for this reason, but then again I do the area before Lair.. Still, this is a good reason to clear the entire surrounding floor before taking on the vaults near the central shops.

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