How Much Gold In Each Branch?


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Post Wednesday, 8th November 2017, 15:07

How Much Gold In Each Branch?

Hello, I'm curious what the rough amount of gold in each branch is. The impetus for this question is a character which has one rune and is wielding a spear of pain, who has found Wyrmbane in a shop for 2100gp. This seems like the ideal weapon for this character for rN+ enemies, but since I'm aiming at only a 4-5 rune game I'd like to judge how much of the game would be left when I can afford it.
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Post Wednesday, 8th November 2017, 15:13

Re: How Much Gold In Each Branch?

I know it is not an answer for your question and I'd like to know the answer too but in your specific situation you don't need to know how much gold is left IMHO. You can have 5k+ gold left in some 3 rune games and run out of gold in others. You should compare different items for sale and choose what to buy. If you already have 2100 gold and Wyrmbane is much better than anything you have (or can buy), buy Wyrmbane and don't think about how much gold will be available by the end of the game. Of course it becomes much more complicated if there are other good things to buy but amount of future gold is still irrelevant as you can be unlucky with gold in your specific game.
It's like asking "how many potions of resistance are usually generated in a 3 rune game?", the answer is not that important as you still can find none no matter what expected number is.
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Post Wednesday, 8th November 2017, 15:20

Re: How Much Gold In Each Branch?

How much money do you currently have and what branches have you cleared?
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Post Wednesday, 8th November 2017, 15:45

Re: How Much Gold In Each Branch?

Objstat tracks gold, see:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... WhLVWRXbG8

For generated statistics, it will give you an average over some number of iterations, for some subsets of levels.
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Post Wednesday, 8th November 2017, 16:47

Re: How Much Gold In Each Branch?

I only need 400 for Wyrmbane, so that's pretty much a no-brainer in this case. But I also have Necrnomicon available for $1500 and a nice rElec + lots of attributes artifact ring for $600. I've done spider (VM) and have Swamp, Vaults, Elf, Crypt, Depths left. I'm probably not going to do Abyss.

I was hoping that this specific instance could be used to solicit more general rules of thumb, but from VAF's reply it seems to vary considerably from game to game. I haven't chased the statistcs at Siegurt's link yet.
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Post Wednesday, 8th November 2017, 17:38

Re: How Much Gold In Each Branch?

MainiacJoe wrote:I only need 400 for Wyrmbane, so that's pretty much a no-brainer in this case. But I also have Necrnomicon available for $1500 and a nice rElec + lots of attributes artifact ring for $600. I've done spider (VM) and have Swamp, Vaults, Elf, Crypt, Depths left. I'm probably not going to do Abyss.

I was hoping that this specific instance could be used to solicit more general rules of thumb, but from VAF's reply it seems to vary considerably from game to game. I haven't chased the statistcs at Siegurt's link yet.

The stats in question show average min/max and standard deviation.
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Post Wednesday, 8th November 2017, 19:48

Re: How Much Gold In Each Branch?

Thank you! Now that I've had a chance to open that file I see that it is as close to the answer to my question as I am likely to get. When I get a chance I'll compile stats into a forum-readable chart.
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Post Wednesday, 8th November 2017, 20:49

Re: How Much Gold In Each Branch?

Grr, this particular character died in the Abyss after being banished by a dancing weapon at XL:17. I feel good, though, that I survived through 9 ?TP and 4 ?Blink and didn't die until I had no escape consumables left. I'd still rather win of course.
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Post Wednesday, 8th November 2017, 23:44

Re: How Much Gold In Each Branch?

Underpowered abyss escape attempts are a rather gratifying experience. You are constantly making interesting choices. Threat assessment works very differently and is much more nuanced. The player is always trying to stretch your reserves that extra length. Most characters can survive in the abyss for a really long time as long as they they keep paying the consumable tax.

Nothing else in the game is quite like it. Pan is the closest, and is a choice, never forced.

Edit: After looking through those stats, I never thought about how Crypt 3 is a gold windfall. It is rarely a relevant play, as the player rarely has that many worthy options for $$$, but its a nice, often safe play to have in your back pocket from time to time. I generally skip crypt, but it isn't incredibly dangerous when first encountered (certainly not on the same teir as slime is), and is relatively inexpensive to set up for.

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Post Thursday, 9th November 2017, 14:06

Re: How Much Gold In Each Branch?

Here are results from the two 3-rune spreadsheets that Siegurt kindly posted. 2000 runs for each branch, except that S-branches are 1000 runs each. Vaults 1-4 is an estimate, made by subtracting the Vault:5 data from the Vaults overall data.

  Code:
    BRANCH   MEAN    STDEV   MIN    MAX
   Dungeon  1100.8   215.4   592   2791
       Orc   863.4   194.4   264   2588
       Elf   907.5   284.5    98   2960
      Lair   617.3   177.2   193   1803
     Swamp   352.0   109.3   113   1057
     Snake   368.0   113.5   108   1568
    Shoals   348.5   100.8   101   1057
    Spider   367.1   106.8   103   1568
Vaults 1-4   754.7    92.6   438   2051
  Vaults:5  1029.8   590.4   111   3451
     Crypt   906.7   332.1    32   1906
       Zot   794.1   354.6   166   2675
    Depths  1312.8   600.0   233   4847

And in picture form:

GoldByBranch.png
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Post Thursday, 9th November 2017, 17:07

Re: How Much Gold In Each Branch?

MainiacJoe wrote:Here are results from the two 3-rune spreadsheets that Siegurt kindly posted. 2000 runs for each branch, except that S-branches are 1000 runs each. Vaults 1-4 is an estimate, made by subtracting the Vault:5 data from the Vaults overall data.

  Code:
    BRANCH   MEAN    STDEV   MIN    MAX
   Dungeon  1100.8   215.4   592   2791
       Orc   863.4   194.4   264   2588
       Elf   907.5   284.5    98   2960
      Lair   617.3   177.2   193   1803
     Swamp   352.0   109.3   113   1057
     Snake   368.0   113.5   108   1568
    Shoals   348.5   100.8   101   1057
    Spider   367.1   106.8   103   1568
Vaults 1-4   754.7    92.6   438   2051
  Vaults:5  1029.8   590.4   111   3451
     Crypt   906.7   332.1    32   1906
       Zot   794.1   354.6   166   2675
    Depths  1312.8   600.0   233   4847

And in picture form:

GoldByBranch.png

If you want to do your own info gathering (change parameters or what not), gammafunk posted the source for the code that does so in github. Just search for objstat.
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