Opinions? Amror or Fighting? I have min delay on my weapon.

[stannis baratheon]

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20.1 (tiles) character file.

Brutus the Basher (Gargoyle Fighter)                Turns: 6572, Time: 00:20:13

Health: 51/51      AC: 20    Str: 18 (19) XL:     9   Next: 46%
Magic:  9/9        EV:  7    Int: 15      God:   
Gold:   309        SH:  8    Dex:  8 (9)  Spells: 8/8 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis .   x - +1 whip (vamp)
rCold    + . .     Gourm    .   c - +0 shield
rNeg     + . .     Faith    .   D - +6 scale mail {rC+}
rPois    8         Spirit   .   z - +0 helmet
rElec    +         Reflect  .   (no cloak)
rCorr    .         Harm     .   (no gloves)
MR       .....                  i - +0 pair of boots
Stlth    ..........             (no amulet)
Regen    0.2/turn               (no ring)
MPRegen  0.2/turn               (no ring)

@: no status effects
A: blurry vision 1, clever 1, deterioration 1, high mp 1, negative energy
resistance 1, sense surroundings 1, electricity resistance, unbreathing,
petrification resistance, rot immunity, AC +5
a: no special abilities


You are on level 5 of the Dungeon.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 5 of its levels.
You have also visited: Sewer and Ossuary.

You have collected 470 gold pieces.
You have spent 161 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 x - a +1 vampiric whip (weapon)
Armour
 c - a +0 shield (worn)
 i - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 t - a plate armour
 z - a +0 helmet (worn)
 D - a +6 scale mail of cold resistance (worn)
Wands
 r - a wand of paralysis (?/24)
 y - a wand of random effects (?/48)
Scrolls
 e - 3 scrolls of enchant weapon
 g - 2 scrolls of remove curse
 j - 4 scrolls of teleportation
 n - 3 scrolls of recharging
 q - a scroll of fear
 v - 3 scrolls labeled ZUQUQU QUNE
Potions
 a - a potion of cancellation
 b - a green potion
 d - 2 lumpy blue potions
 h - a potion of resistance
 l - a potion of flight
 o - 2 potions of heal wounds
 p - a potion of curing
 s - 2 inky potions
 w - a ruby potion
 A - a fuming sapphire potion
 C - an orange potion
Comestibles
 f - 3 bread rations
 k - a meat ration
 m - 3 fruits
 B - a royal jelly


   Skills:
 - Level 3,2 Fighting
 + Level 12,2 Maces & Flails
 - Level 3,2 Armour
 - Level 0,1 Dodging
 - Level 3,2 Shields


You have 8 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (5/15)           
Temple: D:4-7       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Nemelex Xobeh
Xom

Shops:
D:5 [


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are resistant to torment.
Your stone body is resilient. (AC +5)
You are immune to poison.
You resist negative energy. (rN+)
You are resistant to electric shocks. (rElec)
You can survive without breathing.
You are immune to petrification.
You are immune to rotting.
Scrolls take you a little longer to read.
Your mind is acute. (Int +2)
Your body sometimes deteriorates upon taking damage.
You have an increased reservoir of magic. (+10% MP)
You passively map a small area around you.


Message History

You begin reading the scroll. You continue reading the scroll.
As you read the scroll of enchant armour, it crumbles to dust.
Your +4 scale mail of cold resistance glows green for a moment.
Unknown command.
You begin reading the scroll. You continue reading the scroll.
As you read the scroll of enchant armour, it crumbles to dust.
Your +5 scale mail of cold resistance glows green for a moment.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.
All of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away.
There is an escape hatch in the ceiling here.
Things that are here:
a dagger; a robe
You found a shaft!
Done exploring.
Unknown command.
Done exploring.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Pikel (D:4)
  Duvessa (D:4)
  An ice beast (D:5)
  A sky beast (D:5)
  An ogre (D:4)
  A centaur (D:5)
  5 big kobolds (Sewer)
  An elf zombie (Ossuary)
  A scorpion (D:4)
  A howler monkey (D:4)
  5 crimson imps
  A human zombie (Ossuary)
  A bullfrog zombie (D:5)
  2 centaur zombies (Ossuary)
  2 orc priests (D:4)
  A bullfrog skeleton (D:5)
  2 hounds
  An iguana (D:5)
  Terence (D:2)
  2 orc wizards (D:5)
  Natasha (thrice) (D:2)
  3 big kobold zombies (Ossuary)
  2 mummies (Ossuary)
  A worker ant zombie (D:5)
  4 gnolls (D:4)
  11 adders
  2 river rats (Sewer)
  7 oozes
  4 worms
  5 dart slugs
  A leopard gecko (D:3)
  11 orcs
  6 ball pythons
  5 giant cockroaches
  A gnoll zombie (Ossuary)
  7 goblins
  10 hobgoblins
  17 jackals
  5 kobolds
  A quokka (D:3)
  11 bats
  4 frilled lizards
  A goblin zombie (Ossuary)
  2 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary)
  2 leopard gecko skeletons
  3 orc zombies (Ossuary)
  7 rats
168 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A slave (D:4)
  Dowan (D:4)
  A scorpion (D:4)
3 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 171 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Brutus the Gargoyle Fighter began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 1/1
   164 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 19/19 MP: 2/2
   263 | D:1      | Reached skill level 3 in Maces & Flails
   579 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 23/23 MP: 3/3
   936 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Maces & Flails
  1070 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 28/28 MP: 4/4
  1149 | D:2      | Noticed Natasha
  1162 | D:2      | Killed Natasha
  1503 | D:2      | Noticed Natasha
  1564 | D:2      | Killed Natasha
  1908 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails
  1908 | D:2      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 28/32 MP: 5/5
  1922 | D:2      | Noticed Natasha
  1938 | D:2      | Killed Natasha
  2235 | D:2      | Noticed Terence
  2250 | D:2      | Killed Terence
  2397 | D:3      | Reached skill level 6 in Maces & Flails
  2397 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 26/37 MP: 6/6
  2706 | D:3      | Found a glowing drain.
  2725 | Sewer    | Entered a sewer
  3393 | Sewer    | Reached skill level 7 in Maces & Flails
  3448 | Sewer    | Reached XP level 7. HP: 33/41 MP: 7/7
  3606 | Sewer    | Reached skill level 8 in Maces & Flails
  3947 | D:3      | Found a faded altar of an unknown god.
  4134 | D:3      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  4134 | D:3      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  4181 | D:4      | Noticed Pikel
  4196 | D:4      | Killed Pikel
  4196 | D:4      | Reached skill level 9 in Maces & Flails
  4196 | D:4      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 44/46 MP: 8/8
  4356 | D:4      | Found a sand-covered staircase.
  4368 | Ossuary  | Entered an ossuary
  4385 | Ossuary  | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails
  5031 | D:4      | Noticed Dowan
  5032 | D:4      | Noticed Duvessa
  5035 | D:4      | Killed Dowan
  5060 | D:4      | Killed Duvessa
  5122 | D:4      | Reached skill level 11 in Maces & Flails
  5228 | D:4      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  5242 | D:4      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 51/51 MP: 9/9
  5756 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  5860 | D:5      | Gained mutation: Scrolls take you a little longer to read. [mutagenic meat]
  5861 | D:5      | Gained mutation: You passively map a small area around you. [mutagenic meat]
  5862 | D:5      | Gained mutation: Your body sometimes deteriorates upon taking damage. [mutagenic meat]
  5863 | D:5      | Gained mutation: Your mind is acute. (Int +2) [mutagenic meat]
  5865 | D:5      | Gained mutation: You have an increased reservoir of magic. (+10% MP) [mutagenic meat]
  6100 | D:5      | Reached skill level 12 in Maces & Flails
  6296 | D:5      | Found Ycyugualall's Antique Armour Boutique.
  6391 | D:5      | Bought a runed scale mail for 161 gold pieces

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 |
---------------+----------------------------+-----
Maces & Flails |     3  4  5  6  7  9 11 12 | 12,2
Fighting       |                            |  3,2
Armour         |                            |  3,2
Dodging        |                            |  0,1
Shields        |                            |  3,2

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Flail             |   158 |   331 |   192 ||   681
       Whip              |       |       |   523 ||   523
  Use: Potion            |       |     6 |     2 ||     8
       Scroll            |       |       |     9 ||     9
  Eat: Meat ration       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Chunk             |       |     1 |    12 ||    13
       Bread ration      |       |     1 |     2 ||     3
Armor: Scale mail        |   154 |   190 |   348 ||   692
       Skin              |       |     4 |       ||     4
Dodge: Dodged            |    91 |   130 |   163 ||   384
Block: Shield            |   143 |   179 |   270 ||   592



[Shard1697]

Fighting is more important than armor skill.

[MainiacJoe]

Fighting gives max HP that's a function of your XL and your racial modifiers. Armor skill gives AC that's a function of the base AC of your armors. But the amount of damage that AC prevents is a die roll up to your AC value, whereas your maxHP is always fully in effect. In addition, Fighting gives you a damage multiplier on all your melee and ranged attacks, while Armour's side effect is a very modest improvement on spell failure rates.

[Rast]

12.0 weapon skill with only 3.0 Fighting is already a mistake. Min delay is nice but it's not the only thing.

Using a basic +1 whip is a mistake. (Vamp brand is awesome when you're doing good damage. Not on a freaking whip.) Go get a flail or dire flail or maybe a great mace.

Finally, the concept of Fighting vs Armour as a binary choice is awful. What, you're going to train one of them up to 10.0 while the other stays at 3.0? No.

[luckless]

Right now your gargoyle is pure iron, black and hard and strong, yes, but brittle, the way iron gets. He'll break before he bends.

To address this, train fighting to 10 or so. It'll do a lot for your melee damage as well as your survivability. Since most of your AC comes from flat bonuses rather than your scale mail, Armour won't be that efficient XP-wise as a means of increasing your AC for a while.

[stannis baratheon]

I love the previous post. One land, one god, one king!

[Rast]

I'll just leave this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXD7s4m0Isw