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Unarmed or a +10 Demon Blade (freeze, MR+)?

PostPosted: Thursday, 27th July 2017, 21:28
by Lord Haart
Character is a Vine Stalker of Okawaru (for Heroism, not for weapon gifts, i swear…), level 12, 12.2 UC, blade hands are not online, no notable (or any) mutations. The Labyrintine Minotaur (not even Okawaru) drops a demon blade described in the title (good thing i didn't hold back on heroism and finesse before unarmed-stabbing him, or i'd be toast). Now i'm stuck trying to decide whether to train long blades until the sword slaughters everything, or put the experience i'd waste on that into UC and Blade Hands until they slaughter everything anyway. What's the smart thing to do?

Re: Unarmed or a +10 Demon Blade (freeze, MR+)?

PostPosted: Thursday, 27th July 2017, 21:52
by monkeytor
Getting the demon blade to mindelay will take a lot less xp than maxing out unarmed plus getting blade hands online. .6 weapon delay + antimagic bite is pretty devastating, and if you don't use a shield you'll also get a decent offhand punch from the 12 UC.

Re: Unarmed or a +10 Demon Blade (freeze, MR+)?

PostPosted: Friday, 28th July 2017, 05:00
by VeryAngryFelid
Offhand punch will not be that great, it was tested recently. if you are planning for extended, go for UC. Otherwise long blades

Re: Unarmed or a +10 Demon Blade (freeze, MR+)?

PostPosted: Friday, 28th July 2017, 07:26
by 4Hooves2Appendages
I'd go for the demon blade, at least for now. Maybe later you'll have a lot of spare XP.

I suspect the blade does more damage right now, even without any training. At LB 7 (i.e. 12 with Heroism) it'll be similar speed to your current UC (~0.7 with Heroism), but with much higher damage. Blade Hands will outperform it eventually, but in the meantime you can use heavy armour and save that transmutation XP.

The blade also has a better hit chance right now. (Does hit chance scale at all with UC?)

For myself, I'd likely stick with blades for the rest of the game and never look back.

Re: Unarmed or a +10 Demon Blade (freeze, MR+)?

PostPosted: Friday, 28th July 2017, 07:31
by VeryAngryFelid
4Hooves2Appendages wrote:The blade also has a better hit chance right now. (Does hit chance scale at all with UC?)


From wiki:
Add a random roll from 0 to your weapon skill (unarmed is considered a weapon skill here).

Re: Unarmed or a +10 Demon Blade (freeze, MR+)?

PostPosted: Friday, 28th July 2017, 07:42
by 4Hooves2Appendages
Right, that makes with my experience that unarmed feels less accurate than weapons.

Re: Unarmed or a +10 Demon Blade (freeze, MR+)?

PostPosted: Friday, 28th July 2017, 07:55
by VeryAngryFelid
True, it's really rare to see someone using +0 weapon with negative base accuracy (like exec. axe) so weapon itself does add extra accuracy.