Yet another crosstraining question


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Roy

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Post Thursday, 20th July 2017, 04:49

Yet another crosstraining question

Started a DD w/ Axes, now at 11 skill. Just found a Firestarter, which seems like a beast. Is it worth it to switch at this point?

In general, at what point are you "too invested" to switch weapon classes?

  Code:
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20.1-1-g8b1a95d (webtiles) character file.

Roy the Cleaver (Deep Dwarf Fighter)                Turns: 6376, Time: 01:00:42

Health: 68/69      AC: 16    Str: 19    XL:     8   Next: 66%
Magic:  7/7        EV:  3    Int: 10    God:    Makhleb [**....]
Gold:   340        SH:  9    Dex: 14    Spells: 7/7 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis +   a - +0 war axe
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   c - +0 shield
rNeg     . . .     Faith    .   K - +0 plate armour
rPois    .         Spirit   .   (no helmet)
rElec    .         Reflect  .   (no cloak)
rCorr    .         Harm     .   q - +0 pair of gloves
MR       +....                  J - +0 pair of boots
Stlth    ..........             (no amulet)
Regen    0.0/turn               z - ring of see invisible
MPRegen  0.1/turn               C - +2 ring of protection

@: non-regenerating, drained
A: damage resistance, heal wounds, sense surroundings 1, no regeneration
a: Heal Wounds, Minor Destruction, Renounce Religion


You are on level 7 of the Dungeon.
You worship Makhleb.
Makhleb is pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 8 of its levels.
You have also visited: Sewer and Ossuary.

You have collected 340 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +0 war axe (weapon)
 b - a +0 blowgun
 Q - the +7 great mace "Firestarter" {inner flame, rF++}
   (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It has been specially enchanted to burn those struck by it, causing extra
   injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly
   susceptible opponents.
   
   It greatly protects you from fire.
Missiles
 e - 197 stones (quivered)
 y - 2 javelins
 A - 75 poisoned needles
Armour
 c - a +0 shield (worn)
 q - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
 J - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 K - a +0 plate armour (worn)
 P - a dazzling leather armour
Jewellery
 z - a ring of see invisible (left hand)
 C - a +2 ring of protection (right hand)
Wands
 i - a wand of iceblast (?/15)
 m - a wand of confusion (?/48)
 u - a wand of digging (?/24)
 B - a wand of polymorph (?/24) {zapped: 7}
 F - a wand of acid (?/15)
 G - a wand of acid (?/15)
Scrolls
 g - a scroll labeled NUAMAMP FAJI
 h - 3 scrolls labeled KABELECSIO
 k - a scroll of blinking
 o - a scroll labeled WAYSCH IR AWA
 x - a scroll labeled WISONK YWISHRI
 E - a scroll labeled TOUNOM GATAH
 L - a scroll labeled YTAUTHR OWNYLUBYE
 M - a scroll labeled BUYPIASTR ERHIMAFF
 N - a scroll labeled WEDODA WOCUSOTUO
 O - a scroll labeled GOUTHO TIEGAU
Potions
 d - 6 potions of might
 j - 8 potions of curing
 l - 2 potions of flight
 n - 2 potions of ambrosia
 s - a glowing amethyst potion
 t - 4 potions of heal wounds
 w - 3 potions of agility
 D - a fuming yellow potion
 H - 2 potions of brilliance
 I - a bubbling yellow potion
Books
 p - a book of Flames   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Flame Tongue                 Conjuration/Fire              1
    b - Throw Flame                  Conjuration/Fire              2
    c - Conjure Flame                Conjuration/Fire              3
    d - Inner Flame                  Hexes/Fire                    3
    e - Sticky Flame                 Conjuration/Fire              4
    f - Fireball                     Conjuration/Fire              5
Comestibles
 f - 4 bread rations
 r - 7 meat rations
 v - 4 royal jellies


   Skills:
 - Level 3.1 Fighting
 * Level 11.2 Axes
 + Level 5.0 Armour
 - Level 3.4(3.3) Shields


You have 7 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (7/15)             Temple (1/1) D:5         

Altars:
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin

Annotations:
D:3 Grinder
D:5 Pikel


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are resistant to damage.
You can heal yourself by infusing magical energy.
You passively map a small area around you.
You do not regenerate.


Message History

Items here: ( )))))))) ††â€
Okay, then.
Search for what [Enter for "corpse", or ? for help]? axe
You see here a dazzling leather armour.
P - a dazzling leather armour
Found a bread ration.
f - 4 bread rations (gained 1)
Found a war axe.
Found a meat ration.
You are feeling very hungry.
r - 7 meat rations (gained 1)
Found the +7 great mace "Firestarter" {inner flame, rF++} and 11 gold pieces.
You see here the +7 great mace "Firestarter" {inner flame, rF++}.
Press: ? - help, v - describe, . - travel, g - get item
The +7 great mace "Firestarter" {inner flame, rF++}.
The floor.
You eat one of the 5 royal jellies. That royal jelly was delicious!
Q - the +7 great mace "Firestarter" {inner flame, rF++}
Found 15 gold pieces.
You now have 340 gold pieces (gained 11).

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  An ice beast (D:6)
  A sky beast (D:6)
  A centaur (D:6)
  An ogre (D:6)
  3 big kobolds
  2 bullfrogs
  4 wights (D:7)
  A howler monkey (D:5)
  6 crimson imps
  3 hounds
  An orc priest (D:4)
  Ijyb (D:4)
  2 worker ants
  A gnoll (D:1)
  2 howler monkey skeletons (D:4)
  9 river rats
  10 adders
  A shadow imp (D:5)
  2 oozes
  An adder skeleton (D:6)
  2 worms
  3 dart slugs
  2 leopard geckos (D:4)
  11 orcs
  3 bats (D:1)
  10 giant cockroaches
  7 goblins
  9 hobgoblins
  2 jackals (D:2)
  25 kobolds
  2 ball pythons (Sewer)
  5 frilled lizards
  A giant cockroach zombie (D:6)
  26 rats
161 creatures vanquished.

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Roy the Deep Dwarf Fighter began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 20/20 MP: 1/1
   168 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 25/27 MP: 2/2
   352 | D:1      | Reached skill level 3 in Axes
   813 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 16/33 MP: 3/3
  1027 | D:2      | Reached skill level 3 in Fighting
  1343 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Axes
  1811 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 16/42 MP: 4/4
  1864 | D:3      | Noticed Grinder
  1926 | D:3      | Noticed Ijyb
  2128 | D:3      | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw.
  2132 | D:3      | Noticed a dagger
  2134 | D:3      | Noticed a dagger
  2341 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Axes
  2341 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/49 MP: 4/4
  2357 | D:4      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  2377 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Axes
  2783 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Axes
  2783 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 29/56 MP: 5/5
  3097 | D:4      | Killed Ijyb
  3238 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3238 | D:5      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  3261 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  3276 | Temple   | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer
  3369 | D:5      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  3585 | D:5      | Found a sand-covered staircase.
  3595 | Ossuary  | Entered an ossuary
  3648 | D:5      | Noticed Pikel
  3648 | D:5      | Noticed a slave
  3648 | D:5      | Noticed a slave
  3649 | D:5      | Noticed a slave
  3865 | D:5      | Found a glowing drain.
  3892 | Sewer    | Entered a sewer
  4069 | Sewer    | Reached skill level 8 in Axes
  4110 | Sewer    | Reached * piety under Makhleb
  4110 | Sewer    | Reached XP level 7. HP: 52/62 MP: 6/6
  4603 | Sewer    | Reached ** piety under Makhleb
  4872 | D:5      | Reached skill level 9 in Axes
  5003 | D:5      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  5003 | D:5      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  5003 | D:5      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  5341 | D:6      | Reached skill level 10 in Axes
  5487 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 56/69 MP: 7/7
  5551 | D:6      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  5554 | D:6      | Noticed an air elemental
  5836 | D:6      | Reached skill level 4 in Armour
  6063 | D:6      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  6238 | D:7      | Reached skill level 11 in Axes
  6334 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  6346 | D:7      | Got a dazzling leather armour

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8 |
---------------+-------------------------+-----
Axes           |     3  4  5  7  8 10 11 | 11.2
Fighting       |        3                |  3.1
Armour         |                       5 |  5.0
Shields        |                         |  3.4

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: War axe           |   131 |   253 |   234 ||   618
 Fire: Blowgun           |       |       |    22 ||    22
Throw: Stone             |    84 |    53 |    48 ||   185
 Abil: Heal Wounds       |       |     4 |       ||     4
  Use: Scroll            |       |     1 |     6 ||     7
       Potion            |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Eat: Chunk             |     3 |     6 |     4 ||    13
       Fruit             |       |     2 |     1 ||     3
       Royal jelly       |       |       |     2 ||     2
Armor: Scale mail        |    38 |       |       ||    38
       Chain mail        |    13 |   117 |    37 ||   167
       Plate armour      |       |       |    79 ||    79
Dodge: Dodged            |    36 |    41 |    30 ||   107
Block: Shield            |    37 |   114 |    89 ||   240

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Post Thursday, 20th July 2017, 05:09

Re: Yet another crosstraining question

I would switch. They even crosstrain as far as I remember.
I usually switch when 1) I am strong enough to survive switch period and 2) new weapon is much better than everything I have
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Post Thursday, 20th July 2017, 05:24

Re: Yet another crosstraining question

Firestarter at 0 maces skill is better than a +0 war axe at any axes skill. Switch to Firestarter.

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VeryAngryFelid

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Post Friday, 21st July 2017, 09:27

Re: Yet another crosstraining question

Sure man, just switch! You're gonna have a great time ahead.

Roy

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Post Friday, 21st July 2017, 14:49

Re: Yet another crosstraining question

Well, that was unanimous. :) I switched and it's going OK so far. Thanks for the advice.

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