How bad is inaccuracy?

Friday, 21st April 2017, 18:24 by rigrig

I found this amulet of Wariness {Inacc rPois Int+4 Dex+4}, is it worth wearing until I run into something better, or should I just drop it right away?

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Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20-a0-1033-g05abe66 (webtiles) character file. Oki the Jinx (Vampire Enchanter) Turns: 22659, Time: 00:55:20 Health: 82/82 AC: 17 Str: 9 XL: 11 Next: 49% Magic: 16/16 EV: 18 Int: 24 God: Kikubaaqudgha [***...] Gold: 595 SH: 0 Dex: 22 Spells: 0/20 levels left rFire + + . SeeInvis + a - +9 dagger of Crusades {drain, rC+ MR++ Str+2 Int-4} rCold + + + Gourm . (no shield) rNeg + + + Faith . j - +3 leather armour of Ifutai {Dex+2} rPois ∞ Spirit . (no helmet) rElec . Reflect . q - scarf {rC+} rCorr . Harm . N - +0 pair of gloves of the Oligarchy {rN+ MR+ Dex+2} MR ++++. d - +1 pair of boots Stlth +++++++... S - amulet of Wariness {Inacc rPois Int+4 Dex+4} Regen 0.0/turn C - ring of fire MPRegen 0.2/turn P - ring of Robustness {AC+8} @: bloodless, non-regenerating A: fangs 3, hooves 1, see invisible, clever 1, fire resistance 1, low mp 1, unbreathing a: Bat Form, Receive Corpses, Renounce Religion You are on level 11 of the Dungeon. You worship Kikubaaqudgha. Kikubaaqudgha is most pleased with you. You are bloodless. You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 11 of its levels. You have also visited: Labyrinth. You have collected 595 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand Weapons a - the +9 dagger of Crusades (weapon) {drain, rC+ MR++ Str+2 Int-4} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) A truly terrible weapon, it drains the life of those it strikes. It affects your strength (+2). It affects your intelligence (-4). It protects you from cold. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. b - a +4 dagger of chaos {!w} r - a +0 rapier Armour d - a +1 pair of boots (worn) j - the +3 leather armour of Ifutai (worn) {Dex+2} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon) It affects your dexterity (+2). q - a scarf of cold resistance (worn) N - the +0 pair of gloves of the Oligarchy (worn) {rN+ MR+ Dex+2} (You found it in a labyrinth) It affects your dexterity (+2). It protects you from negative energy. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. Jewellery C - a ring of fire (left hand) H - an uncursed ring of protection from cold P - the ring of Robustness (right hand) {AC+8} (You found it in a labyrinth) [ring of protection] It affects your AC (+8). S - the amulet of Wariness (around neck) {Inacc rPois Int+4 Dex+4} (You found it in a labyrinth) [amulet of inaccuracy] It reduces the accuracy of all your attacks. It affects your intelligence (+4). It affects your dexterity (+4). It protects you from poison. T - an uncursed ring of wizardry Wands t - a wand of paralysis (?/24) u - a wand of paralysis (?/24) y - a wand of clouds (?/9) G - a wand of polymorph (?/24) M - a wand of random effects (?/48) O - a wand of random effects (?/48) Q - a wand of paralysis (?/24) R - a wand of disintegration (?/24) Scrolls k - 4 scrolls of enchant armour l - 8 scrolls of teleportation m - 2 scrolls labeled TOHACWE KEUCHI n - a scroll of enchant weapon x - a scroll labeled VINICL LINLALUD A - a scroll labeled QOSAPE VUENAHE D - a scroll labeled IMYIDA SEIRHI E - a scroll labeled HOOFET ROLAH F - 2 scrolls of identify I - a scroll of remove curse L - a scroll of fear Potions e - 2 potions of invisibility f - 3 potions of haste g - 4 potions of mutation {!q} h - 4 potions of curing i - 2 potions of heal wounds p - a potion of cancellation s - 9 potions of blood {@q2} v - 2 potions of agility w - a potion of might B - 2 potions of brilliance Books z - Kikubaaqudgha's Papyrus of Dark Rituals (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 7 of the Dungeon) Spells Type Level a - Pain Necromancy 1 b - Corpse Rot Necromancy 2 c - Sublimation of Blood Necromancy 2 d - Vampiric Draining Necromancy 3 e - Control Undead Necromancy 4 K - Kikubaaqudgha's Papyrus of Black Rites (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 9 of the Dungeon) Spells Type Level a - Animate Dead Necromancy 4 b - Excruciating Wounds Charms/Necromancy 5 c - Bolt of Draining Conjuration/Necromancy 5 d - Cigotuvi's Embrace Necromancy 5 e - Dispel Undead Necromancy 5 U - a book of Beasts Spells Type Level a - Summon Butterflies Summoning 1 b - Call Canine Familiar Summoning 3 c - Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summoning 4 d - Summon Mana Viper Hexes/Summoning 5 e - Summon Hydra Summoning 7 Skills: + Level 6.3 Fighting - Level 10.1 Short Blades + Level 8.0 Dodging + Level 10.2 Stealth - Level 5.0 Spellcasting + Level 10.3 Hexes * Level 7.8 Necromancy You cannot memorise any spells. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Animate Dead Necr N/A 4% 4 ####... c - Confuse Hex ######.. 1% 3 ##..... d - Vampiric Draining Necr #####..... 1% 3 ##..... r - Corpse Rot Necr N/A 1% 2 None t - Tukima's Dance Hex ######.. 1% 3 ##..... u - Dispel Undead Necr #####... 14% 5 #####.. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (11/15) Temple (0/1) D:6 Lair (0/6) D:10 Orc: D:9-12 Altars: Ashenzari Dithmenos Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Ru Sif Muna Trog Uskayaw Zin Shops: D:9 * Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You do not heal naturally. You are immune to poison. You have razor-sharp teeth. You have supernaturally acute eyesight. (SInv) You can survive without breathing. You have large cloven feet. Your mind is acute. (Int +2) Your flesh is heat resistant. (rF+) Your magical capacity is low. (-10% MP) Message History Unknown command. Wear which item (? for menu, Esc to quit) You start putting on your armour. You continue putting on your pair of ancient gloves. x4 You finish putting on the +0 pair of gloves of the Oligarchy {rN+ MR+ Dex+2}. Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Okay, then. Okay, then. Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit) You're wearing all the rings you can. Remove which one? (? for menu, Esc to cancel) < or C - a ring of fire; > or T - a ring of wizardry You remove your ring of wizardry. P - the ring of Robustness (right hand) {AC+8} Unknown command. Unknown command. Okay, then. Unknown command. Unknown command. Saving game... please wait. ####.## #............##.# #....# ##...##########.# #.#### ##.## #.# #.# #.# #.# #.# #.# #.# #.# ##+## #.# #.# ##...## ... #.## ##.....## #..## ##.....@.## ##...####.........# #.................+ #....###..........# #...## #.#.......## #..## #.##.....## #... #.###....# #.# #.# ##+#.# #. #.# .. There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures A minotaur (Lab) Erica (D:8) A two-headed ogre (D:10) An ugly thing (D:11) A gargoyle (D:10) Grinder (D:6) A hippogriff (D:8) 6 yaks 2 hogs (D:7) A human (D:7) Eustachio (D:5) A hungry ghost (D:8) 4 porcupines 2 orc warriors 3 ice beasts A sky beast (D:10) 3 ogres A black bear (D:10) A phantom (D:5) 7 centaurs 2 big kobolds Blork the orc (D:6) 13 bullfrogs 5 scorpions 5 wights 9 killer bees 4 howler monkeys 5 crimson imps A quasit (D:5) 2 bullfrog zombies 2 jellies 4 hounds 10 orc priests 14 orc wizards Crazy Yiuf (D:5) 2 bullfrog skeletons (D:6) A gnoll shaman (D:5) Jessica (D:2) An iguana (D:8) 6 worker ants 2 hound skeletons 10 gnolls 11 adders 2 shadow imps (D:9) 2 oozes An adder zombie (D:5) 2 adder skeletons 7 worms 2 dart slugs 5 leopard geckos 53 orcs A ball python (D:7) 10 bats 4 giant cockroaches 11 hobgoblins 10 jackals 5 quokkas 6 frilled lizards 9 goblins 2 jackal skeletons (D:4) 18 kobolds A leopard gecko zombie (D:6) 8 rats 311 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) 2 two-headed ogres (D:9) Psyche (D:8) An orc warrior (D:9) An ogre (D:8) 2 wights A gnoll (D:5) 8 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 35 fungi (D:10) 7 plants 42 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 361 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Oki the Vampire Enchanter began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 13/13 MP: 3/3 184 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 10/19 MP: 3/5 335 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation 941 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 24/24 MP: 6/6 946 | D:1 | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse 1340 | D:2 | Noticed Jessica 1474 | D:2 | Killed Jessica 1474 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 1474 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 1692 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 21/30 MP: 7/7 2586 | D:2 | Noticed a moth of wrath 2592 | D:2 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 3906 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 35/35 MP: 8/8 5807 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 41/41 MP: 2/9 5812 | D:3 | Learned a level 3 spell: Tukima's Dance 5923 | D:3 | Gained mutation: Your magical capacity is low. (-10% MP) [potion of mutation] 5923 | D:3 | Gained mutation: You have large cloven feet. [potion of mutation] 5923 | D:3 | Gained mutation: Your mind is acute. (Int +2) [potion of mutation] 5923 | D:3 | Gained mutation: Your flesh is heat resistant. (rF+) [potion of mutation] 6121 | D:4 | Got a bronze leather armour 6365 | D:3 | Identified the +3 leather armour of Ifutai {Dex+2} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon) 6486 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades 8227 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 8235 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 46/46 MP: 9/9 8509 | D:5 | Noticed Eustachio 8518 | D:5 | Killed Eustachio 9619 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 52/52 MP: 4/9 9704 | D:5 | Found a runed door. 10851 | D:5 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 10855 | D:5 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 11024 | D:6 | Noticed Grinder 11026 | D:6 | Killed Grinder 11265 | D:6 | Noticed Blork the orc 11289 | D:6 | Killed Blork the orc 11299 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Stealth 11299 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 57/57 MP: 4/10 11367 | D:6 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 11367 | D:6 | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru. 11369 | D:6 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 11369 | D:6 | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw. 11379 | D:6 | Became a worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha 11429 | D:6 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 12481 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 12585 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Hexes 13060 | D:7 | Reached skill level 10 in Short Blades 13480 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 13693 | D:7 | Reached * piety under Kikubaaqudgha 13693 | D:7 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Papyrus of Dark Rituals (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 7 of the Dungeon) 13693 | D:7 | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha 13702 | D:7 | Learned a level 2 spell: Corpse Rot 13707 | D:7 | Learned a level 3 spell: Vampiric Draining 13885 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 14568 | D:8 | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru. 15017 | D:8 | Noticed Psyche 15031 | D:8 | Killed Psyche 15031 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 68/70 MP: 2/11 15265 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 15598 | D:9 | Noticed a two-headed ogre 15628 | D:9 | Killed a two-headed ogre 15729 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy 15851 | D:9 | Reached ** piety under Kikubaaqudgha 16124 | D:9 | Noticed Erica 16160 | D:9 | Noticed a two-headed ogre 16264 | D:8 | Killed Erica 16589 | D:9 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag. 16589 | D:9 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 16589 | D:9 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 16641 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 16699 | D:9 | Killed a two-headed ogre 16847 | D:9 | Found Moatynydda's General Store. 17208 | D:9 | Got a crystal dagger 17209 | D:9 | Identified the +9 dagger of Crusades {drain, rC+ MR++ Str+2 Int-4} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) 17309 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 18485 | D:10 | Noticed a two-headed ogre 18767 | D:10 | Killed a two-headed ogre 18767 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 78/81 MP: 0/12 19131 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 19371 | D:9 | Reached *** piety under Kikubaaqudgha 19371 | D:9 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Papyrus of Black Rites (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 9 of the Dungeon) 19371 | D:9 | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha 20134 | D:9 | Learned a level 4 spell: Animate Dead 21526 | D:11 | Noticed a brown ugly thing 21536 | D:11 | Killed a brown ugly thing 21536 | D:11 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 21545 | D:11 | Found a labyrinth entrance. 21554 | Lab | Entered a labyrinth 21561 | Lab | Learned a level 5 spell: Dispel Undead 22606 | Lab | Noticed a minotaur 22611 | Lab | Killed a minotaur 22631 | Lab | Got a pair of ancient gloves 22636 | Lab | Got a twitching copper amulet 22651 | D:11 | Identified the amulet of Wariness {Inacc rPois Int+4 Dex+4} (You found it in a labyrinth) 22657 | D:11 | Identified the +0 pair of gloves of the Oligarchy {rN+ MR+ Dex+2} (You found it in a labyrinth) Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 | ---------------+----------------------------------+----- Short Blades | 2 3 4 6 7 9 10 | 10.1 Stealth | 5 6 7 8 10 | 10.2 Hexes | 5 6 7 8 9 10 | 10.3 Fighting | 3 6 | 6.3 Dodging | 4 7 8 | 8.0 Necromancy | 3 7 | 7.8 Spellcasting | 5 | 5.0 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Dagger | 73 | 359 | 465 | 333 || 1230 Bite | 7 | 31 | 28 | 25 || 91 Kick | | 22 | 14 | || 36 Cast: Corona | 1 | | | || 1 Ensorcelled Hiber | 11 | 1 | | || 12 Confuse | 3 | 43 | 69 | 72 || 187 Tukima's Dance | | 1 | 8 | 11 || 20 Corpse Rot | | | 1 | || 1 Vampiric Draining | | | | 4 || 4 Use: Potion | | 14 | 9 | 12 || 35 Scroll | | 6 | 7 | 5 || 18 Stab: Sleeping | 16 | 20 | 15 | 7 || 58 Confused | 1 | 20 | 34 | 35 || 90 Distracted | | | 1 | || 1 Armor: Robe | 17 | | | || 17 Ring mail | | 49 | | || 49 Leather armour | | 33 | 97 | 54 || 184 Dodge: Dodged | 49 | 156 | 171 | 173 || 549

Friday, 21st April 2017, 19:14 by bel

It's -5 to hit (for all kinds of attacks: melee, ranged, conjurations etc.)

Since you are mostly using hexes, necromancy spells (that don't depend on accuracy) and stabbing, it's ok for you, until you find something better.

Friday, 21st April 2017, 19:46 by rigrig

bel wrote:It's -5 to hit (for all kinds of attacks: melee, ranged, conjurations etc.)

Since you are mostly using hexes, necromancy spells (that don't depend on accuracy) and stabbing, it's ok for you, until you find something better.

Thanks, I did look up the amulet, but had no idea how bad "-5 to hit" was.

Friday, 21st April 2017, 20:11 by bel

It's somewhat similar to a -5 ring of slaying (only for accuracy), but not exactly. If you want to get your brain fried, you can see this post for what "to-hit" means.

Friday, 21st April 2017, 20:48 by duvessa

bel wrote:It's somewhat similar to a -5 ring of slaying (only for accuracy), but not exactly.

Much much closer to -10 than -5.

Friday, 21st April 2017, 21:31 by MainiacJoe

It equivalent to Slay-10 because slaying bonus/malus is 1d(slay), whereas inaccuracy is flat -5.

Friday, 21st April 2017, 23:22 by Lord Haart

It is pretty much horrifically bad unless you kill things via Magic Dart or summons.

Saturday, 22nd April 2017, 01:03 by Siegurt

MainiacJoe wrote:It equivalent to Slay-10 because slaying bonus/malus is 1d(slay), whereas inaccuracy is flat -5.

It's similar to, but not exactly equivalent to... it's plausible that -5 would not be enough to make you miss, but -10 would be, so -10 slay might reduce your net accuracy by more than the flat -5 that inacc provides, it all depends on how accurate you are in the first place, and how hard it is to hit what you're trying to hit. The reverse is also possible (That -1 through -4 might not be enough to make you miss, but -5 would be) so inacc could also be worse than -10 slay.

The truth of the matter is that the reduced chances to hit is somehwere between "negligable" and "a whole heckuva lot" depending on what stage of the game you are at (it's worse earlier than it is later) and how hard the thing you are trying to hit is to hit.

Saturday, 22nd April 2017, 02:01 by tasonir

It'd depend on how far along you are, but honestly a flat -5 to accuracy isn't that big of a deal. To get the best results you should fsim with and without the amulet, but this character has a +9 dagger with 10 short blades and 6 fighting, with 22 dex.

Even at this low level that's a to hit of around 49 (depending on rolls), and then roll 0 to 48, and finally subtract 5. So if we assume his average result is a roll of 24, then losing 5 is around 20% off. Significant, sure, but I wouldn't call that horrifically bad. As they get more fighting/dex (and if they ever train short blades higher than 10) it'll increase. On a more "pure melee" character who's a bit further along in the game with roughly level 20 fighting/weapon skill, the -5 becomes much more tolerable.

Keep in mind stabs can't miss, and the character is a vampire enchanter.

Saturday, 22nd April 2017, 04:16 by njvack

FWIW I remember that after saccing an eye with Ru, melee still killed dudes pretty okay

of course I also had Ru so there's that

Monday, 24th April 2017, 03:48 by tabstorm

Remember when the consensus was that inacc was an irrelevant penalty? Good times...

Monday, 24th April 2017, 03:57 by duvessa

tabstorm wrote:Remember when the consensus was that inacc was an irrelevant penalty? Good times...

That was never the consensus among anyone remotely informed. It was regarded as significant all the way back in 0.4.

Monday, 24th April 2017, 06:08 by bel

Thanks all for the comments about comparisons with slaying etc.

But, since this is DCA, it's worth repeating: in my opinion, inaccuracy is not really relevant for this character, because it relies on hexes, stabs and necromancy; none of which depend much, if at all, on how accurate your attacks are.

Monday, 24th April 2017, 08:32 by rigrig

Thanks for all the tips. Stuff seemed to die just fine while I was wearing it (probably because all the dangerous mobs where confused and fighting their own weapons anyway), and I ran into reflection a bit later, so swapped it for that.

Monday, 24th April 2017, 09:36 by shping

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