Should I use this halberd?


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Spider Stomper

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Post Tuesday, 28th March 2017, 23:36

Should I use this halberd?

I just found this halberd. Should I be using it or stick to SB?

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20-a0-924-gfa95efa (tiles) character file.

Flaminus the Cutter (Vine Stalker Berserker)        Turns: 4587, Time: 00:19:35

Health: 46/46      AC: 15    Str: 20    XL:     9   Next: 0%
Magic:  10/10      EV: 10    Int:  7    God:    Trog [***...]
Gold:   198        SH:  4    Dex: 20    Spells: 8/8 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis .   a - +1 dagger (freeze)
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   (no shield)
rNeg     . . .     Faith    .   t - +0 chain mail
rPois    .         Spirit   +   o - +1 hat
rElec    .         Reflect  +   (no cloak)
rCorr    +         Harm     .   u - +2 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
MR       +....     Clarity  +   (no boots)
Stlth    ..........             K - +4 amulet of reflection
Regen    0.6/turn               p - ring of flight
MPRegen  0.2/turn               w - ring of resist corrosion

@: no status effects
A: fangs 3, thin metallic scales 1, blink, clarity, regeneration 1, magic
shield, antimagic bite, no potion heal 3, rot immunity
a: Blink, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Burn Spellbooks, Renounce Religion, Evoke Flight


You are on level 6 of the Dungeon.
You worship Trog.
Trog is most pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 6 of its levels.

You have collected 198 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +1 dagger of freezing (weapon)
 b - a +0 hunting sling
 D - a +0 long sword of protection
 E - a flail of holy wrath
 I - the +6 halberd "Haolaj" {flame, MR+ Int-5 Stlth+}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It has been specially enchanted to burn those struck by it, causing extra
   injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly
   susceptible opponents. Big, fiery blades are also staple armaments of
   hydra-hunters.
   
   It affects your intelligence (-5).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It makes you more stealthy.
Missiles
 g - 6 javelins (quivered)
 k - 151 stones
 l - 27 poisoned needles
 m - 17 bolts
 x - 186 arrows
Armour
 o - a +1 hat (worn)
 t - a +0 chain mail (worn)
 u - a +2 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn)
 C - an embroidered robe
Jewellery
 p - a ring of flight (left hand)
 q - an uncursed ring of fire
 w - a ring of resist corrosion (right hand)
 K - a +4 amulet of reflection (around neck)
Wands
 f - a wand of random effects (?/48)
 J - a wand of iceblast (?/15)
Scrolls
 d - a scroll labeled QEVVU IFEDUENGA
 e - 6 scrolls labeled GISEUKL BIOPSY
 h - 8 scrolls labeled KECSUU CEIWA
 i - 2 scrolls labeled WINO FUILIEDGHE
 j - 2 scrolls labeled YGOHAA DIFONT
 n - 2 scrolls labeled NUXEMU BOTREOLIT
 r - a scroll labeled WAJIVEI LOPI
 y - a scroll labeled IXAPTO MOJIT
 F - a scroll labeled OMUQUS LULEST
Potions
 v - 2 potions of flight
 z - 2 purple potions
 B - a black potion
 G - 2 orange potions
Comestibles
 c - 2 bread rations
 s - a meat ration
 A - 3 fruits
 H - 15 chunks of flesh


   Skills:
 + Level 4,7 Fighting
 * Level 7,9 Short Blades
 + Level 3,9 Armour
 + Level 3,9 Dodging


You have 8 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (6/15)             Temple (0/1) D:4         

Altars:
Cheibriados
Nemelex Xobeh
Sif Muna
Uskayaw
Xom


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have razor-sharp teeth.
Your natural rate of healing is unusually fast.
When hurt, damage is shared between your health and your magic reserves.
Your bite disrupts and absorbs the magic of your enemies.
Potions cannot restore your health.
You are immune to rotting.
You are partially covered in thin metallic scales. (AC +2)
You can translocate small distances at will.
You possess an exceptional clarity of mind.


Message History

Aim: a worker ant
You reach to attack! You puncture the worker ant! You burn the worker ant.
You kill the worker ant!
Trog accepts your kill.
You have reached level 9!
Your experience leads to an increase in your attributes!
Your base attributes are Str 20, Int 7, Dex 16.
Increase (S)trength, (I)ntelligence, or (D)exterity?
You feel agile.
You see here a worker ant corpse.
You butcher the worker ant corpse.
H - 15 chunks of flesh (gained 3)
Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
The +6 halberd "Haolaj" {flame, MR+ Int-5 Stlth+} stops flaming.
Your +0 long sword of protection hums with potential!
D - a +0 long sword of protection (weapon)
Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Your +0 long sword of protection goes still.
Your +1 dagger of freezing glows with a cold blue light!
a - a +1 dagger of freezing (weapon)

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Edmund (D:5)
  A water moccasin (D:5)
  A black bear (D:6)
  An orc warrior (D:3)
  A phantom (D:3)
  2 sky beasts (D:5)
  2 ogres (D:6)
  Blork the orc (D:5)
  A bullfrog (D:4)
  4 wights (D:4)
  A crimson imp (D:6)
  2 orc priests
  A bullfrog skeleton (D:4)
  2 hounds (D:5)
  A jelly (D:5)
  4 orc wizards
  A worker ant (D:6)
  8 adders
  An ooze (D:2)
  An adder zombie (D:4)
  2 worms
  2 dart slugs
  4 leopard geckos
  18 orcs
  7 bats
  3 giant cockroaches
  5 goblins
  9 hobgoblins
  2 jackals (D:1)
  3 quokkas
  A ball python (D:3)
  5 frilled lizards
  3 kobolds
  6 rats
107 creatures vanquished.

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Flaminus the Vine Stalker Berserker began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 11/11 MP: 2/2
   134 | D:1      | Reached skill level 3 in Short Blades
   142 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 10/16 MP: 3/3
   730 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 15/19 MP: 4/4
  1210 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Short Blades
  1453 | D:2      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  1508 | D:2      | Gained mutation: Your natural rate of healing is unusually fast. [Vine Stalker growth]
  1508 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 23/23 MP: 5/5
  1520 | D:2      | Gained mutation: You are somewhat resistant to further mutation. [potion of mutation]
  1839 | D:3      | Noticed a phantom
  1859 | D:3      | Killed a phantom
  1859 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades
  1859 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 20/27 MP: 4/6
  1941 | D:3      | Reached ** piety under Trog
  2091 | D:3      | Noticed an orc warrior
  2111 | D:3      | Killed an orc warrior
  2111 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 32/32 MP: 7/7
  2322 | D:3      | Lost mutation: You are somewhat resistant to further mutation. [potion of mutation]
  2322 | D:3      | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in slimy green scales. (AC +2) [potion of mutation]
  2322 | D:3      | Gained mutation: Your spells are a little harder to cast, but a little more powerful. [potion of mutation]
  2323 | D:3      | Lost mutation: Your spells are a little harder to cast, but a little more powerful. [potion of mutation]
  2323 | D:3      | Lost mutation: You are partially covered in slimy green scales. (AC +2) [potion of mutation]
  2323 | D:3      | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in thin metallic scales. (AC +2) [potion of mutation]
  2323 | D:3      | Gained mutation: You possess an exceptional clarity of mind. [potion of mutation]
  2323 | D:3      | Gained mutation: You can translocate small distances at will. [potion of mutation]
  2765 | D:4      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  2881 | D:4      | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw.
  2908 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Short Blades
  2997 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 26/36 MP: 5/8
  3007 | D:4      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  3171 | D:4      | Reached *** piety under Trog
  3575 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3575 | D:5      | Noticed Edmund
  3584 | D:5      | Killed Edmund
  3671 | D:5      | Noticed Blork the orc
  3689 | D:5      | Killed Blork the orc
  3689 | D:5      | Gained mutation: You have razor-sharp teeth. [Vine Stalker growth]
  3689 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 42/42 MP: 9/9
  3774 | D:5      | Reached skill level 7 in Short Blades
  4204 | D:5      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  4270 | D:5      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  4504 | D:6      | Got a fine halberd
  4537 | D:6      | Identified the +6 halberd "Haolaj" {flame, MR+ Int-5 Stlth+} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)
  4580 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 46/46 MP: 10/10

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8 |
---------------+-------------------------+-----
Short Blades   |  3     4  5     6     7 |  7,9
Fighting       |              3     4    |  4,7
Dodging        |                 2  3    |  3,9
Armour         |                 2     3 |  3,9

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |    88 |   151 |    93 ||   332
       Bite              |    24 |    50 |    71 ||   145
       Dagger            |       |       |    98 ||    98
       Halberd           |       |       |     6 ||     6
Throw: Javelin           |     2 |     7 |       ||     9
Invok: Berserk           |     2 |     1 |     4 ||     7
  Use: Potion            |       |     7 |       ||     7
  Eat: Chunk             |     3 |     6 |     9 ||    18
Armor: Animal skin       |    10 |       |       ||    10
       Leather armour    |     2 |    12 |       ||    14
       Scale mail        |       |    14 |       ||    14
       Chain mail        |       |    39 |    69 ||   108
Dodge: Dodged            |    45 |    54 |    40 ||   139
Block: Other             |       |       |     1 ||     1

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Post Tuesday, 28th March 2017, 23:52

Re: Should I use this halberd?

I say no. Trog will give you good short blades soon enough and a launcher and ammo to go with it, especially needles to set up stabs.

I'd suggest reading those scrolls you have stacks of two or more of to identify them.
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Post Wednesday, 29th March 2017, 00:01

Re: Should I use this halberd?

It is probably bad play but I usually wait to have a cursed item and a wand so I don't waste scrolls.
The mutation roulette gave me clarity. Should I stop?
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Post Wednesday, 29th March 2017, 00:21

Re: Should I use this halberd?

I haven't played vine stalker so I'm not too sure what else you might want...

But generally, clarity is very good and it's sort of rare too. (It prevents all sorts of stuff from confusing you, if it isn't obvious.) If there isn't anything else that you just really hope to roll for right away, I'd probably stick with it.
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Post Wednesday, 29th March 2017, 00:46

Re: Should I use this halberd?

Imho clarity isn't that big of a deal in most cases. It's important if you 1) use CBOE, or 2) have poor MR. MR protects against almost all confuse, and VS get 5 MR per level, so as long as you wear one MR item (or use trog's hand), you should be fine. You don't have an MR item equipped so it's helpful, but if you did end up going with the halbred (it has MR+), you probably won't ever benefit from clarity. That being said I'd still stop the roulette because you have a few positive mutations and no negative ones, which is a net gain. I generally don't roll mutations too often anymore, so consider this a win.

I'd probably stick with the SB as well, I haven't done a quick blade VS but all signs point to them being completely awesome, so go for it. Eventually train evocations for more mana, once your defenses are high enough.

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Post Wednesday, 29th March 2017, 04:10

Re: Should I use this halberd?

Zhorgal wrote:It is probably bad play but I usually wait to have a cursed item and a wand so I don't waste scrolls.

Yes, it is bad play.

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Post Wednesday, 29th March 2017, 06:40

Re: Should I use this halberd?

I'm guessing the best weapon for this char would be a quickblade. But which brand? I can't profit from pain unless I change god and from what I've gathered, fire and frost would not be as good since they are multiplicative.
Would the best brand be vampiric followed by draining and electric?

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Post Wednesday, 29th March 2017, 09:56

Re: Should I use this halberd?

Almost died stupidly from an ice blast of an ice dragon in a runed door. But it was play bad play.
  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20-a0-924-gfa95efa (tiles) character file.

Flaminus the Slicer (Vine Stalker Berserker)       Turns: 19122, Time: 01:48:12

Health: 75/75      AC: 35    Str: 24    XL:     14   Next: 82%
Magic:  21/21      EV: 14    Int:  7    God:    Trog [******]
Gold:   1521       SH:  7    Dex: 21    Spells: 13/13 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis .   a - +3 short sword (elec)
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   d - +0 buckler
rNeg     + + .     Faith    +   T - +9 chain mail of Imaron {*Drain rPois rN++ Str+3}
rPois    +         Spirit   +   o - +2 hat
rElec    .         Reflect  .   O - +2 cloak
rCorr    +         Harm     .   u - +2 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
MR       +....     Clarity  +   s - +2 pair of boots {Stlth+}
Stlth    ..........             L - amulet of faith
Regen    1.1/turn               Y - ring of poison resistance
MPRegen  0.2/turn               w - ring of resist corrosion

@: no status effects
A: fangs 3, iridescent scales 1, thin metallic scales 1, blink, clarity,
regeneration 2, magic shield, antimagic bite, no potion heal 3, rot immunity
a: Blink, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Burn Spellbooks, Renounce
Religion


You are on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 16 of its levels.
You have also visited: Ice Cave.

You have collected 1521 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +3 short sword of electrocution (weapon)
 b - a +0 hunting sling
 c - a +1 dagger of freezing
 i - a +3 antimagic dagger
 M - a runed blowgun
Missiles
 g - 13 javelins (quivered)
 k - 505 stones
 l - 72 poisoned needles
 p - 15 sling bullets
 Q - 24 bolts
 U - 7 needles of confusion
 V - 2 throwing nets
Armour
 d - a +0 buckler (worn)
 m - +0 acid dragon scales
 o - a +2 hat (worn)
 q - a dazzling leather armour
 s - a +2 pair of boots of stealth (worn)
 u - a +2 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn)
 I - +0 fire dragon scales
 O - a +2 cloak (worn)
 T - the +9 chain mail of Imaron (worn) {*Drain rPois rN++ Str+3}
   (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It protects you from poison.
   It greatly protects you from negative energy.
   It causes draining when unequipped.
Jewellery
 w - a ring of resist corrosion (right hand)
 K - a +4 amulet of reflection
 L - an amulet of faith (around neck)
 Y - a ring of poison resistance (left hand)
Wands
 j - a wand of acid (4/15)
 H - a wand of flame (11/48)
 J - a wand of iceblast (11/15)
 N - a wand of flame (32/48)
 R - a wand of disintegration (?/24)
Scrolls
 h - 8 scrolls of teleportation
 r - 3 scrolls of fear
 y - a scroll of magic mapping
 W - a scroll of identify
Potions
 f - 2 potions of haste
 n - a potion of invisibility
 t - a potion of magic
 v - 5 potions of flight
 z - 4 potions of might
 B - 2 potions of lignification
 C - 3 potions of curing
 F - a potion of brilliance
 G - 5 potions of agility
 S - 2 potions of ambrosia
Miscellaneous
 e - a box of beasts
 D - a lightning rod (4/4)
Comestibles
 x - 3 chunks of flesh
 A - 32 fruits
 E - a meat ration
 P - a royal jelly
 X - a bread ration


   Skills:
 + Level 9,1 Fighting
 * Level 14,7 Short Blades
 + Level 7,4 Armour
 + Level 7,5 Dodging
 + Level 8,6 Shields
 + Level 8,1 Evocations


You have 13 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (10/15)            Temple (0/1) D:4            Lair (6/6) D:10
 Shoals (0/4) Lair:3       Spider (0/4) Lair:2        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (0/2) D:10       

Altars:
Cheibriados
Hepliaklqana
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Qazlal
Sif Muna
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Xom
Jiyva

Shops:
D:8 =!

Annotations:
Lair:3 exclusion: 2 oklob plants


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have razor-sharp teeth.
You heal very quickly.
When hurt, damage is shared between your health and your magic reserves.
Your bite disrupts and absorbs the magic of your enemies.
Potions cannot restore your health.
You are immune to rotting.
You are partially covered in iridescent scales. (AC +2)
You are partially covered in thin metallic scales. (AC +2)
You can translocate small distances at will.
You possess an exceptional clarity of mind.


Message History

There is an open door here.
Found 16 gold pieces.
You now have 1314 gold pieces (gained 9).
You now have 1336 gold pieces (gained 22).
You now have 1349 gold pieces (gained 13).
You now have 1361 gold pieces (gained 12).
You now have 1378 gold pieces (gained 17).
You now have 1383 gold pieces (gained 5).
You now have 1397 gold pieces (gained 14).
You now have 1412 gold pieces (gained 15).
You now have 1431 gold pieces (gained 19).
You now have 1454 gold pieces (gained 23).
You now have 1478 gold pieces (gained 24).
You now have 1491 gold pieces (gained 13).
You now have 1500 gold pieces (gained 9).
You now have 1505 gold pieces (gained 5).
You now have 1512 gold pieces (gained 7).
You now have 1521 gold pieces (gained 9).
Done exploring.
Done exploring.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  A fire dragon (Lair:6)
  7 hydras
  An ice dragon (Lair:6)
  Erica (Lair:1)
  8 death yaks
  A swamp dragon (Lair:6)
  2 lindwurms (Lair:6)
  A manticore (Lair:3)
  An orb spider (Lair:2)
  2 oklob plants (Lair:3)
  8 elephants
  An ice statue (IceCv)
  3 black mambas
  4 komodo dragons
  A rime drake (Lair:6)
  4 torpor snails (Lair:6)
  8 spiny frogs
  17 polar bears
  A troll (D:9)
  2 tyrant leeches (Lair:6)
  7 hornets (Lair:6)
  21 blink frogs
  9 hippogriffs
  47 yaks
  A wyvern (Lair:6)
  2 basilisks
  A steam dragon (Lair:6)
  A hungry ghost (D:7)
  Edmund (D:5)
  An acid dragon (Lair:6)
  8 porcupines
  8 water moccasins
  Duvessa (D:7)
  2 black bears
  An ice beast (D:7)
  3 swamp drakes (Lair:6)
  7 orc warriors
  4 phantoms
  46 wolves
  4 sky beasts
  7 ogres
  7 centaurs
  15 crocodiles
  Blork the orc (D:5)
  3 big kobolds
  10 bullfrogs
  4 gnoll sergeants
  Dowan (D:7)
  A scorpion (D:6)
  9 wights
  4 howler monkeys (D:10)
  4 crimson imps
  A bullfrog zombie (D:7)
  10 orc priests
  2 bullfrog skeletons
  9 hounds
  2 jellies
  Crazy Yiuf (D:6)
  17 orc wizards
  2 iguanas
  3 worker ants
  A killer bee zombie (D:6)
  A hound zombie (D:10)
  19 gnolls
  A howler monkey skeleton (D:7)
  11 adders
  2 shadow imps
  12 white imps (Lair:2)
  An ooze (D:2)
  2 adder skeletons
  2 adder zombies
  2 worms
  2 dart slugs
  7 leopard geckos
  64 orcs
  7 bats
  4 giant cockroaches
  5 goblins
  12 hobgoblins
  12 jackals
  7 quokkas
  A ball python (D:3)
  5 frilled lizards
  13 kobolds
  A quokka skeleton (D:8)
  6 rats
  41 plants
603 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A frost giant (IceCv)
1 creature vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A centaur (D:9)
  19 fungi
  21 plants
41 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 645 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Flaminus the Vine Stalker Berserker began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 11/11 MP: 2/2
   134 | D:1      | Reached skill level 3 in Short Blades
   142 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 10/16 MP: 3/3
   730 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 15/19 MP: 4/4
  1210 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Short Blades
  1453 | D:2      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  1508 | D:2      | Gained mutation: Your natural rate of healing is unusually fast. [Vine Stalker growth]
  1508 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 23/23 MP: 5/5
  1520 | D:2      | Gained mutation: You are somewhat resistant to further mutation. [potion of mutation]
  1839 | D:3      | Noticed a phantom
  1859 | D:3      | Killed a phantom
  1859 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades
  1859 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 20/27 MP: 4/6
  1941 | D:3      | Reached ** piety under Trog
  2091 | D:3      | Noticed an orc warrior
  2111 | D:3      | Killed an orc warrior
  2111 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 32/32 MP: 7/7
  2322 | D:3      | Lost mutation: You are somewhat resistant to further mutation. [potion of mutation]
  2322 | D:3      | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in slimy green scales. (AC +2) [potion of mutation]
  2322 | D:3      | Gained mutation: Your spells are a little harder to cast, but a little more powerful. [potion of mutation]
  2323 | D:3      | Lost mutation: Your spells are a little harder to cast, but a little more powerful. [potion of mutation]
  2323 | D:3      | Lost mutation: You are partially covered in slimy green scales. (AC +2) [potion of mutation]
  2323 | D:3      | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in thin metallic scales. (AC +2) [potion of mutation]
  2323 | D:3      | Gained mutation: You possess an exceptional clarity of mind. [potion of mutation]
  2323 | D:3      | Gained mutation: You can translocate small distances at will. [potion of mutation]
  2765 | D:4      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  2881 | D:4      | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw.
  2908 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Short Blades
  2997 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 26/36 MP: 5/8
  3007 | D:4      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  3171 | D:4      | Reached *** piety under Trog
  3575 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3575 | D:5      | Noticed Edmund
  3584 | D:5      | Killed Edmund
  3671 | D:5      | Noticed Blork the orc
  3689 | D:5      | Killed Blork the orc
  3689 | D:5      | Gained mutation: You have razor-sharp teeth. [Vine Stalker growth]
  3689 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 42/42 MP: 9/9
  3774 | D:5      | Reached skill level 7 in Short Blades
  4204 | D:5      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  4270 | D:5      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  4504 | D:6      | Got a fine halberd
  4537 | D:6      | Identified the +6 halberd "Haolaj" {flame, MR+ Int-5 Stlth+} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)
  4580 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 46/46 MP: 10/10
  4612 | D:6      | Reached skill level 8 in Short Blades
  4804 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  4887 | D:6      | Reached **** piety under Trog
  5019 | D:6      | Found a runed door.
  5023 | D:6      | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  5033 | D:6      | Killed Crazy Yiuf
  5477 | D:7      | Noticed Duvessa
  5480 | D:7      | Noticed Dowan
  5484 | D:7      | Killed Duvessa
  5484 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  5497 | D:7      | Killed Dowan
  5516 | D:7      | Reached skill level 9 in Short Blades
  6369 | D:8      | Found a hazy altar of Hepliaklqana.
  6390 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 51/51 MP: 11/11
  6422 | D:8      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  6435 | D:8      | Reached skill level 10 in Short Blades
  6456 | D:8      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  6456 | D:8      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  6461 | D:8      | Gained mutation: You are agile. (Dex +2) [mutagenic meat]
  6462 | D:8      | Lost mutation: You are agile. (Dex +2) [mutagenic meat]
  6463 | D:8      | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in iridescent scales. (AC +2) [mutagenic meat]
  6584 | D:8      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  6596 | D:8      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  6632 | D:8      | Found Plog's Distillery.
  6678 | D:8      | Reached ***** piety under Trog
  7103 | D:8      | Found Vynyts's Jewellery Shoppe.
  7650 | D:9      | Got a pitted chain mail
  7654 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
  7728 | D:9      | Identified the +9 chain mail of Imaron {*Drain rPois rN++ Str+3} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
  8086 | D:9      | Reached skill level 11 in Short Blades
  8551 | D:9      | Received a gift from Trog
  8769 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  8928 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 56/56 MP: 14/14
  9123 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  9392 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  9617 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
  9626 | D:10     | Received a gift from Trog
  9868 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 10136 | D:10     | Reached skill level 12 in Short Blades
 10339 | Lair:1   | Noticed Erica
 10409 | Lair:1   | Killed Erica
 10409 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 10585 | Lair:1   | Got a heavily runed ring mail
 10701 | Lair:1   | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 10812 | Lair:1   | Gained mutation: You heal very quickly. [Vine Stalker growth]
 10812 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 53/62 MP: 16/16
 11043 | Lair:1   | Identified the +1 ring mail of Nyifetoomo {*Slow +Inv Dex-3 SInv} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 11113 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
 11207 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 11305 | Lair:2   | Found a frozen archway.
 11334 | Lair:2   | Reached ****** piety under Trog
 11418 | IceCv    | Entered an ice cave
 11858 | IceCv    | Reached skill level 13 in Short Blades
 11923 | IceCv    | Received a gift from Trog
 11972 | IceCv    | Noticed a frost giant
 12023 | IceCv    | Killed a frost giant
 12113 | IceCv    | Got an ebony great sword
 12341 | Lair:2   | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 12356 | Lair:2   | Killed a six-headed hydra
 12422 | Lair:2   | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 12428 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 67/67 MP: 18/18
 12777 | Lair:2   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 13295 | Lair:3   | Got a blackened scimitar
 14138 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 15205 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Trog
 15645 | D:10     | Identified the +2 scimitar "Coghujuf" {drain, +Rage rElec Str-4 Stlth+} (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)
 16153 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 16153 | Lair:5   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 16378 | Lair:5   | Got a dazzling leather armour
 16911 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 16946 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 14 in Short Blades
 16982 | Lair:5   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 53/74 MP: 20/20
 17701 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Trog
 18417 | Lair:6   | Found a runed door.
 18961 | Lair:6   | HP: 1/75 [ice dragon/blast of cold (17)]

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 |
---------------+-------------------------------------------+-----
Short Blades   |  3     4  5     6     7  9 11 12 13 14    | 14,7
Fighting       |              3     4     5     6  7  8  9 |  9,1
Dodging        |                 2  3     4        5  6  7 |  7,5
Armour         |                 2     3  4        5  6  7 |  7,4
Shields        |                          3  4  5  7  8    |  8,6
Evocations     |                             3  5  6  7  8 |  8,1

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |    88 |   151 |    93 |    59 |   348 ||   739
       Bite              |    24 |    50 |   180 |   793 |  1160 ||  2207
       Dagger            |       |       |   330 |  1417 |  1275 ||  3022
       Halberd           |       |       |     6 |       |       ||     6
 Fire: Hunting sling     |       |       |       |       |    25 ||    25
Throw: Javelin           |     2 |     7 |       |     1 |       ||    10
Invok: Berserk           |     2 |     1 |     8 |     3 |     1 ||    15
       Burn Spellbooks   |       |       |       |     3 |     1 ||     4
       Trog's Hand       |       |       |       |     3 |     2 ||     5
       Brothers in Arms  |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Use: Potion            |       |     7 |     6 |     2 |     2 ||    17
       Scroll            |       |       |     8 |    11 |     9 ||    28
 Stab: Distracted        |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
  Eat: Chunk             |     3 |     6 |    19 |    27 |    23 ||    78
       Fruit             |       |       |       |     1 |     2 ||     3
Armor: Animal skin       |    10 |       |       |       |       ||    10
       Leather armour    |     2 |    12 |     4 |    23 |       ||    41
       Scale mail        |       |    14 |       |       |       ||    14
       Chain mail        |       |    39 |   124 |   473 |   355 ||   991
       Skin              |       |       |     2 |       |       ||     2
Dodge: Dodged            |    45 |    54 |    98 |   495 |   289 ||   981
Block: Other             |       |       |    33 |    13 |       ||    46
       Reflection        |       |       |     3 |     5 |       ||     8
       Buckler           |       |       |       |   396 |   185 ||   581


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Post Wednesday, 29th March 2017, 12:03

Re: Should I use this halberd?

bel wrote:
Zhorgal wrote:It is probably bad play but I usually wait to have a cursed item and a wand so I don't waste scrolls.

Yes, it is bad play.

And here is how it is bad. Let's say you run into a situation where you need to bail, or you'll die. Grinder, for instance, or Menkaure has been tormenting you and there's an orc priest with him. Carrying 3 unidentified teleport scrolls and 2 unidentified blink scrolls, you can't escape and you die. But if you read-ID stacks of two or more scrolls, you'd instead have 2 teleports and a blink as resources against this threat. It's more of a waste of those scrolls to die with them unused then to spend one to identify the rest, no?
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Post Wednesday, 29th March 2017, 14:35

Re: Should I use this halberd?

MainiacJoe wrote:
bel wrote:
Zhorgal wrote:It is probably bad play but I usually wait to have a cursed item and a wand so I don't waste scrolls.

Yes, it is bad play.

And here is how it is bad. Let's say you run into a situation where you need to bail, or you'll die. Grinder, for instance, or Menkaure has been tormenting you and there's an orc priest with him. Carrying 3 unidentified teleport scrolls and 2 unidentified blink scrolls, you can't escape and you die. But if you read-ID stacks of two or more scrolls, you'd instead have 2 teleports and a blink as resources against this threat. It's more of a waste of those scrolls to die with them unused then to spend one to identify the rest, no?


It makes sense. Of course he died in the Shoals. My chars die in the Shoals a lot. I usually shudder when I see my game has the Shoals because they usually die there.

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Post Wednesday, 29th March 2017, 17:22

Re: Should I use this halberd?

You don't need to Shoals first. Good things for Shoals are invisibility, repel/deflect missiles, reflection, and MR. If you don't have any of those, get the other rune and do Vaults 1-4 before you do Shoals. Also, Shoals 4 is much harder than Shoals 1-3 and I usually save it until after Vaults 1-4 regardless.
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Post Wednesday, 29th March 2017, 17:38

Re: Should I use this halberd?

I'll try that. Thanks.

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Post Wednesday, 29th March 2017, 18:43

Re: Should I use this halberd?

Quick blades are awesome, end-game weapons for vine stalkers because of of how fast the vampiric bite triggers. I'm not sure the brand matters much, but electrocution is fantastic, as are pain if you're training Necromancy, and distortion if you can tolerate it. Chaos is strong and fun, but dangerous, especially early. Freezing, flaming, and vorpal are fine all game and the others are good at different points of the game.

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Post Wednesday, 29th March 2017, 21:13

Re: Should I use this halberd?

Electricity is best, sure, but even flaming/freezing/vorpal aren't bad. They're worse, but a lot of your damage is going to be coming from the bite anyways, so you could use them. You'll have the usual problem of being weaker vs things with high AC, but the bite should help enough to make that somewhat less painful.

If you want to go high damage and still fast (5 aut - nothing is as fast as quick blades) there's always unarmed, although then you can't be gifted unarmed weapons. Long blades would at least crosstrain :)

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Post Wednesday, 29th March 2017, 23:46

Re: Should I use this halberd?

Quick blades of speed don't suck with vine stalker bite either.
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Post Thursday, 30th March 2017, 02:23

Re: Should I use this halberd?

That halberd won't be worth it in the long run.

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Post Thursday, 30th March 2017, 06:54

Re: Should I use this halberd?

Siegurt wrote:Quick blades of speed don't suck with vine stalker bite either.

I think speed is not possible on a quick blade, even randarts.

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Post Thursday, 30th March 2017, 19:00

Re: Should I use this halberd?

My VsBe used a quickblade of chaos, and it was awesome. Did you just beserk your enemy? Who cares, just hit it again. I mean, you should at least be aware of all the effects which can happen, but you are attacking so quickly and effectively, assuming your positioning isn't awful, they just don't matter. And its fun. Lots of fun.
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Post Thursday, 30th March 2017, 19:23

Re: Should I use this halberd?

I like chaos, but "just hit it again" is not always a very good way to deal with, say, an early elephant you've just berserked at full HP. For super added fun, very occasionally you'll turn a monster invisible (chaos still does invis, right?) with one hit and berserk it with another. Usually "just hit it" is fine but you do need to be vigilant. Especially on something like a quickblade, where you'll be hitting a lot of times.
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Post Thursday, 30th March 2017, 19:29

Re: Should I use this halberd?

Chaos is unironically a good brand.

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Post Thursday, 30th March 2017, 22:01

Re: Should I use this halberd?

I've had a problem with a chaos weapon where it created a monster I never saw before who kept changing form every 20 turns or so. It changed into a raiju (sp?) and I couldn't run away.

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1673 Herch the Twirler (level 9, -16/50 HPs)
             Began as a Tengu Air Elementalist on Mar 29, 2017.
             Was a Priest of Vehumet.
             Killed from afar by a raiju (glowing shapeshifter) (20 damage)
             ... with a living lightning
             ... on level 6 of the Dungeon.
             The game lasted 00:44:53 (7605 turns).


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There is an open door here.
The black bear changes into a blink frog!
The blink frog changes into a polar bear!
Some of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away.
The polar bear changes into a hornet!
You see here a giant club.
The hornet changes into something you cannot see!
You are feeling hungry.
A raiju appears out of thin air!
The raiju changes into an orb spider!
The raiju falls off the wall. The orb spider changes into a raiju!
Some of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away.
The raiju bursts into living lightning!
The living lightning hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The raiju blinks!
The raiju bites you but does no damage.
The raiju bursts into living lightning!
The living lightning misses you. The living lightning hits you!
You die...

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Post Thursday, 30th March 2017, 22:03

Re: Should I use this halberd?

On another note: should a VSBe stop training short blades at level 15? Or is there any reason to proceed after mindelay?

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Post Friday, 31st March 2017, 01:02

Re: Should I use this halberd?

You should stop training short blades. Rapiers are at min delay at 14. QB's are 8, although you probably used a rapier first and then switched to QB afterwards. If you somehow got a quick blade while your SB skill was at 8 or less, you could stop training quick blades at 8. Since this usually doesn't happen, you probably trained it to 14 before, and that's fine too.

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Post Friday, 31st March 2017, 01:24

Re: Should I use this halberd?

Yes, chaos brand can make shapeshifters (approximately an 0.4% chance per hit). Generally when it does that you should kill the shifter instead of running away, but there was no way for you to know that.
If you aren't familiar with how chaos works you're probably better off avoiding it early game. Later on it can't really do anything awful so you can just enjoy the high damage if you somehow manage to get chaos on a good base type.

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Post Friday, 31st March 2017, 05:33

Re: Should I use this halberd?

Vamp is such a good brand that even on a quick blade it's still good.

Regardless of what brand you get on your quickblade, look for + slaying items.

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Post Friday, 31st March 2017, 06:39

Re: Should I use this halberd?

duvessa wrote:Yes, chaos brand can make shapeshifters (approximately an 0.4% chance per hit). Generally when it does that you should kill the shifter instead of running away, but there was no way for you to know that.
If you aren't familiar with how chaos works you're probably better off avoiding it early game. Later on it can't really do anything awful so you can just enjoy the high damage if you somehow manage to get chaos on a good base type.


I tried but it was too powerful and quickly chewed all my hps. I was demolishing most enemies with the quarter staff I got from crazy Yuf till that point.
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Post Friday, 31st March 2017, 09:52

Re: Should I use this halberd?

Chaos brand can also duplicate the enemy, which can be pretty scary. Luckily it is also quite a rare effect (I remember having one OoF duplicated in my HaCK victory game).
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Post Friday, 31st March 2017, 15:36

Re: Should I use this halberd?

Can chaos duplicate uniques?

Polymorph (another rare effect) can also do scary things the way regular ol' polymorph can. And IIRC the random miscasts can include things like conjuration explosions that can hurt you...? It's been a while since I've swung chaos.
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Post Friday, 31st March 2017, 18:12

Re: Should I use this halberd?

Chaos miscasts are scaled to your XL so in practice they aren't going to do anything especially bad. It used to be possible for chaos to cause miscast effects on the attacker, which would routinely instantly kill people, but that's gone now.

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Post Saturday, 1st April 2017, 06:35

Re: Should I use this halberd?

duvessa wrote:Chaos miscasts are scaled to your XL so in practice they aren't going to do anything especially bad.


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